Funny how he keeps San Francisco out of his dumb mouth.
And also all of Florida.
There’s a reason why he didn’t say San Francisco. Our residents will actually fight the feds. They hot and ready in the bay.
I wish I had something meaningful to say about this.
Martial law is next! I tell ya.
This is damn near the same thing, without all the fancy steps.
Those “fancy steps” are the only things that would make this legal. Without them, all he’s doing is violating the Constitution. DC presents a unique loophole for this. Anywhere else, and he’s breaking the law.
Surely this time he’s done for.
Hate to break it to you man but the law does not matter. It really never has for the rich and powerful but he has laid it all bare
I’ve said time and time again we let the entire Bush admin off the hook for war crimes… Trump hasn’t even hit war crimes levels yet. Did anyone think we were ever going to hold him to account when we wouldn’t even do anything about that?
I think it started sooner, with Nixon being pardoned and all the senior Reagan White House officials getting away with Iran-Contra
Even farther back. The mishandling of Reconstruction of the South after Lincoln’s assassination.
I don’t disagree, I guess I just felt like Bush’s war crimes of torture within our own military was pretty directly egregious whereas the whole point of Iran-Contra was that the Contras were the ones committing the violence, not US soldiers at the command of their leadership. Plausible deniability and all that. Like, if our society was ever going to give a shit, that should be have been the straw that broke the camels back since there was nothing plausibly deniable about “enhanced interrogation.”
There are so many people who were radicalized by 9/11, that then went on to give Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. carte blanche to do horrific things to people.
He committed was crimes in his first term. Ordering an assassination of an islamism general using a diplomatic meeting to lure him out… Is very explicitly a war crime.
The law does matter. People don’t seem to realize just how much of Trump’s bullshit has already been stopped by the courts.
The majority of his executive orders have all been blocked or straight-up nullified, so far…but thanks to the overwhelming volume of court cases and the long delays in reaching some decisions…the media never covers the outcomes to the same extent.
they get their information from the news and social media. both of which are A > Sensationalised,
B > Partisan , and C > Incredibly full of shit and misinformationwhenever an EO gets challenged or struck down, Trump figures out a way to get rid of the problem or go around it. the only thing the law is doing is showing him vulnerabilities to exploit. state injunctions are legally being ignored thanks to SCOTUS, so… Trump does not have to listen to judges.
Buddy if the law mattered even one fucking iota trump himself would be buried under the prison.
That’s not how the law works.
He would be dead shortly after being locked up because he wouldn’t survive withdrawal from his fast food and orange makeup addiction.
Oh okay please explain how the law works I’m sure youre a lawyer or a judge or some other type of legal expert. We’re all dying to hear how our president isn’t guilty of literally dozens and possibly hundreds of serious financial and sexual crimes dating back to the 1980s, or how he is guilty and the fact that he hasn’t been punished is just “how the law works”
Man I hate lemmoids
If the law was perfect or if the law even worked as intended, he would have been in prison a long time ago.
If the law didn’t matter at all, he wouldn’t bother making threats and testing the waters. The military never would have been recalled from LA the first time around. The FBI would have already arrested the TX Democrats in Chicago, and TX Republicans would have just gone ahead with the redistricting without a second thought (which even I’m pretty surprised that they didn’t).
Will the law alone prevail and save us in the end? Not likely, but there is a difference between being naive and not allowing yourself to panic and be backed into a corner of black and white thinking. In many ways, doing so is accepting defeat.
Being smart and strategizing means using the law and along with everything else to your advantage while you still can. Trump has been bulldozing through law bc his goal is to betray his own country. Democrats in TX are breaking the law, but they’re doing it strategically to save their country. They’re aligning themselves with Democrats in other states, and uniting as Americans. That’s what we all should be doing.
You are a useful idiot for this admin.
Exactly, he is escalating bc he is feeling pressure. He is getting worried about the midterms. That is not to say that the law will surely prevail in the end, but just to point out that he wouldn’t even be bothering to test the waters with threats of “maybe your city is next” if he didn’t believe he would see pushback.
He’s already sent and recalled much of the military in L.A., so what tf is he even talking about? Floating the idea of sending them again only to then recall them again?
D.C. has gained autonomy as a city, but keep in mind it was already unique compared to Chicago, LA, and NY bc it’s already a federal district. When he called for a “federal takeover” a few days ago, he meant stripping the city of its autonomy in terms of taking the power from the mayor.
When he tried to take LA the first time, he experienced pushback from both city and state governments. Military morale was reportedly extremely low, he made them sleep on the floor bc he didn’t really have any kind of a plan other than a show of force. In the end, he basically succeeded in a public show of wasting money and resources for absolutely nothing.
Now what? He’s going to send in the troops again? Surely they’ll get the job done the second time around.
And the consequences of him breaking the law will be…? He’ll get arrested and prosecuted like a civilian?
SCOTUS:
He’s breaking the law all over the US, when you’re rich… they let you. This is no different. Let’s see some consequences somewhere.
No one is “letting him”. There are dozens of active cases against him and his administration, right now. The process takes time, and the media never covers it adequately…but the system is still working.
That’s entirely the point. Legal channels are too show to counteract everything at once. See Bannon’s “stress test”.
Dude. That’s literally the same argument Trump was using for why he should be allowed to just deport people without due process. This is not the “solution” you think it is.
So you’re saying we should “go high”… How has that been working out thus far?
If the system were working Cannon could not have effectively blocked Trump’s prosecution. If the system were working the leader of an insurrection against the government of the United States could not have even RUN for President, much less BEEN SWORN IN. If the system were working the personal attorney for the most vile and morally corrupt President in our nation’s history would not have been NONINATED, much less CONFIRMED to a federal appellate court.
THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING. Any conclusions predicated on another other assumption are simply wrong.
DC is under Marshall law in all but name right now.
“The Process takes time…” At this rate the process will get around to warning him he should stop shortly after he executes his political opponents and just before he starts executing judges who opposes him.
DC isn’t under martial law. Technically, the district belongs to the federal government already, they’ve just been under a kind of conditional self-administration since the 70’s, I think? The only way to take away Trump’s authority over it, would be to grant DC official status as a State.
And just curious…what system would you suggest, that is better than what’s currently in place?
DC isn’t under martial law.
If you’re not going to bother reading posts before replying what’s the point?
DC is under Marshall law in all but name right now.
This is why we’re doomed. I cannot believe there are people who still think like this
He won’t realize until they come for him. People like him are how it happens
So…do you agree with Trump when he tries to suspend or ignore the legal process? Is that your solution? Just, “as long as it’s us doing it, it’s fine”?
It’s kind of bizarre to advocate for the very same shit he’s pulling, as a defense against the kind of shit he keeps trying to pull.
Remember this exchange.
isn’t it disgusting? depressing as hell how these people still feel so confident in “the system.”
you’re right that the system is working. it is giving us its ultimate: fascism. this is the intended outcome for profit seeking capitalists. if you mean to say our system of American justice is working… surely you jest.
It doesn’t fucking matter. He’ll do it all anyway, without ever declaring martial law. And what the fuck is anyone going to do about it?
Martial Law is too obvious.
Russia is in full scale war, and has not formally declared war, but they are operating as if they have. Trump would do the same, a bunch of different declarations that are in practice, Martial law, but without actually saying it, because Martial law is too obvious of a rubicon.
GOP MAGA is trying to boil the frog, what determines if there will be a revolution or not is if huge parts of the country suddenley believe we’ve crossed the rubicon, the point of no return. And it benefits MAGA for those people to have unique turning points, some will wait until X happens, Some wont take up arms until Y happens, It benefits them to boil the frog slowly, because it allows them to secure their position more and more before a potential confrontation happens
declaring martial law is a clear sign to everyone “Yup, Im declaring the civil war” its too obvious, it doesnt benefit Trump to do that until he thinks he is ready, and at that point he’s already won and will be untouchable.
Law means nothing unless there’s some means to enforce it
It means even less, if your first impulse is to toss it all out the window as soon as it’s no longer convenient for you to follow it.
“Yes, the current system is slow and ineffective, and has done nothing to prevent the incarceration and deportation of innocent people, misappropriation of funds, and misuse of the military, but to demand anything else would be going against the ineffective system!”
So, because people are currently being denied the right to due process…due process itself, doesn’t work?
That’s what I was thinking… this just isn’t that different. It’s already here
I saw Marshall Law at Lollapalooza ‘98!
Martial Law was one of the last steps in Project 2025.
Oh he surely won’t do that the morons say.
Fascists traditionally leave office in body bags
Are they Democrat cities by any chance? I assume he won’t also deploy them to Republican cities?
One thing that the mayors of all of those cities have in common is that they are Democrats. One thing. There is another.
And they’re Black.
That is indeed the other thing.
Yes, cities are overwhelmingly liberal.
Just making it a bigger loss for him in the midterms.
Release the Trump/Epstein files
You mean like when he wasted shit tons of money deploying the national guard to those places so they could sit on their ass, sleep in hallways, and then eventually leave because they weren’t needed and no one asked for them in the first place?
Don’t frame it like it won’t turn out to be a big deal. That’s a bad idea, intentional or not. Deploying military assets against American citizens should be considered a serious escalation every single time it happens.
Short answer: good luck with that. Deployable up to 100K. Total population you’re trying to control is 15 million. So 1 per 150 citizens.
Except it obviously would quickly need to include the Bay Area, St Louis, Indianapolis, Portland, Seattle etc
They want to provoke a violent response to scare the shitlibs into supporting martial law and a Reichstag Fire type event.
The 100k combat troops don’t mean anything compared to a million cops and the reality that only a very, very small percentage of Americans are organized enough to actually put up resistance.
Stay the fuck outta Portland, you Nazi bastards 😠
They should move, one at a time, to the Sentinel Islands.
Goddamn right.
Lol Indy isn’t some hotbed for activism.
WTF is in those files???
When do the Goose Stepping lessons start?
Getting the military in place for the coup.
A coup is what happens when you remove the president/dictator.
In this case, the power to be removed will be the congress and the senate, so the current president can become the dictator.
Yes, we all know there will be some empty ‘legal’ bullshit involved.
… um… he already IS the dictator.
the second Self Coup. 3 years early
Practice and precedence.
the digital coup has already occurred.
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Normalize calling them the Trump/Epstein Files
We changed people saying “Trump fucked kids” to “Trump rapes kids” in just a few days.
Phrasing matters, and it especially matters to him. Once we call it the Trump/Epstein files, news orgs will too.
Normalize calling them the Trump/Epstein Files
We changed people saying “Trump fucked kids” to “Trump rapes kids” in just a few days.
Phrasing matters, and it especially matters to him. Once we call it the Trump/Epstein files, news orgs will too.
but but but guys, Kamala Harris had a weird laugh….
/s
That was never the criticism from anyone actually opposing Trump. The criticism is that she built her career as a cop, locking people up for minor offenses, fighting to keep them in prison for cheap labor, and then went on to campaign for the most lethal military machine on Earth. But sure, go ahead and whitewash her record because it’s easier to joke than to confront the fact that your “lesser evil” still has blood on her hands.
If you didn’t turn out to vote you didn’t oppose trump.
I said criticism, you think no one who opposed Trump should have criticised former cop who built her career on locking people up?
ACAB, just not one of the worst kind?
She was an attorney working for the executive branch, not a cop. Applying for a job higher up in the executive branch. If we are going to call everyone who executes the laws bastards, then you can’t vote for anybody to join the executive branch, as you are willingly choosing to make them a bastard apparently.
Just so everyone is on the same page, to you the slogan All Cops Are Bastards applies not to all corrupt people in the legal system that abuse us and imprison us, but it’s exclusively police officers?
Just checking.
Downvote and run away.
At least she isn’t nazi, traitor, piece of shit like Trump.
She absolutely is a Nazi. A nice Nazi that supported genocide.
You are a moron.
You support genocide, just not when it’s GOP branded.
Call me names, it doesn’t change the facts at all.
No. You are a fool.
Good point. Read some books.
Liberals have supported plenty of genocides.
As have socialists.
You could say this about nearly any group in history.
Right, and when socialists and actual liberals do it they’re being ideological hypocrites as opposed to fascists who literally don’t believe in human rights.
She’s not a Nazi, she’s a hypocritical liberal.
This is untrue.
Every criticism presented is completely true. She would have been better than trump, but she was a terrible Democratic candidate. She would have made a better Republican candidate. Her campaign would only needed to have focused on her prosecutorial career.
Hope the next election (if there is one) goes your way and the candidate is perfect.
- supports a genocide
- supports torture programs
- supports increasing military and intelligence funding
- supports deporting innocent people
- supports a highly unpopular president
- runs on highly unpopular policies
I think you might have a skewed definitions of what “perfect” means. I think most people would settle for “not a monster” but that’s too high of a bar for the DNC.
That, but unironically.
Winning a presidential election isn’t about the votes that are cast. It’s about the voters that stay home. It’s really difficult to get people to the polls when your entire platform is “a little less evil than the other guy.”.
I voted for the lesser evil, and I know why so many did not. You do us no favors by refusing to recognize that the lesser evil is still evil.
I only really saw those criticisms of her from people already on the left. What I saw (in generalized and slightly exaggerated manner) from conservatives was, “NO, SHE’S A LIBERAL, WOKE, COMMUNIST WHO WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA!”
To which most people I saw on the left respond with, “Communist? The former cop and DA?”
That’s literally what I’m saying.
That was never the criticism from anyone actually opposing Trump.
Yes it was. It was a dumb and invalid argument, but it came up more often than it ever should have. It was an EXCUSE to not vote for her, because it was easier to say that than to admit that they’re just afraid of a woman in power.
I realize there were many more valid reasons to dislike her but compared to trump, she’s a goddamn saint. Plus, I liked her VP pick better than trump’s. She also would have selected a much more competent and qualified cabinet.
The criticism is that she built her career as a cop, locking people up for minor offenses, fighting to keep them in prison for cheap labor, and then went on to campaign for the most lethal military machine on Earth.
Those are all valid criticisms, but trump built his career as a criminal, is deporting people for minor offenses, fighting to deport innocent people to prison labor camps in countries they are not even from, and then went on to campaign for the most lethal military machine on Earth.
So comparing the two with just those criticisms, it’s a wash. And then adding on all the other AWFUL shit trump is doing, especially “project 2025,” it’s no contest.
But sure, go ahead and whitewash her record because it’s easier to joke than to confront the fact that your “lesser evil” still has blood on her hands.
I’m not whitewashing anything, I made a sarcastic comment mocking the misogynists who have put a LITERAL AUTHORITARIAN MADMAN in the presidency because they couldn’t handle a woman president.
When our choices are : lesser evil or absolute evil (and the third choice is: just let absolute evil win), we really can’t let petty things like “annoying laugh” (again- just a lame excuse for misogyny) go.
I was accused of having “blood in my hands” for voting for Harris. But really, protest voting against Harris is drenching yourself in that same blood plus gallons more.
I think you dropped this:
- supported genocide
- supported an unpopular president
- ran on unpopular policies
- let the voters know that she didn’t care about what they wanted
- wanted to keep the US military the “most lethal fighting force” despite the fact that we use them to kill innocent people
- gaslit the voters on the economy
Is Trump still worse? yes, absolutely. But maybe the Democrats could try running candidates that aren’t obviously terrible if they want to win.
We had a bad choice and a worse choice. So i said let it all fall.
So i said let it all fall.
At lest vote 3rf party.
Otherwise the material reality is that you got out the way for the worse choice. Obstruction isn’t ideal, but its helpful none the less
At least with the bad choice more people would have energy and resources to fight back in more meaningful ways.
Worse option is exiling American citizens, tanking the economy, persecuting minorities, taking away rights, ignoring the constitution and, notably, full backing genocide in Gaza.
Bad option would not act to stop genocide in Gaza.
Clearly the same thing.
Worse option is exiling American citizens, tanking the economy, persecuting minorities, taking away rights, ignoring the constitution and, notably, full backing genocide in Gaza.
I saw all of these things happen under the past few “bad options”.
Fuck you
We had a bad choice and a worse choice. So i said
let it all fall.I’m a sociopath that’s fine with seeing minorities being brutalized and killed so long as I can maintain some kind of bullshit ideological purity.FTFY
Now I voted (not that it would have mattered as Kamala was going to win my state regardless), but for the sake of argument I also didn’t see minorities NOT being brutalized and killed under Biden or Obama. Or Clinton for that matter.
And the emails… Bondi will make sure it gets done!
