So many masterdebaters
Seems out of date. I think Peterson and Shapiro “fell off.” Didn’t know Trevor Noah was still doing stuff. Don’t know who the fuck Russell Brand’s audience is. I guess basing it off subscriber accounts biases it toward channels/influencers that have existed a long time, and many subscriptions may just be ignored or tied to inactive accounts. I agree the right dominates the online ecosystem, but different influencers dominate now.
They should have gone off of viewership numbers instead, I agree.
shapiro seems to have become silent, after israel increased the recent attacks in gaza, he probably dint want to draw the ire of his racist, anti-semitic fanbase, he tried it once and he was trounced for it. Also likely putin was telling him to not defend israel outwardly too much.
russel brand the SA/HARRASer of women, seems to be new into the grift train. his most recent thing was becoming “baptized”.
Seems out of date.
Media Matters compiled a list of 418 popular online shows — podcasts, streams, and other long-form audio and video content regularly posted online — that were active during 2024
I’ll spot you this. How many of these followers are dated? How many are bot accounts used to game the promotion algorithms? We can only speculate. It does seem crazy to see Russell Brand competing with Jordan Peterson at the high end, when neither of these two clowns seem to have any real popular following outside of the Podcast set. Peterson hasn’t even been producing episodes reliably since COVID. He’s had to take repeated extended breaks due to his declining health. These have to be stale numbers.
On the flip side, if you look at the numbers by Patreon Subscriber Count, a bunch of these guys fall off the lists and a bunch of more normal groups rise to the top. Where’s “Dungeons and Daddies” or “This American Life” or “True Crime Obsessed”?
Hell, where’s the de facto reining podcast champion “Chapo Trap House”?
Numbers seem a bit cooked.
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Maybe because Jon Stuart, Stephen Colbert, and John Oliver don’t currently host any “online shows”?
Jon Stewart has a podcast: https://youtube.com/@WeeklyShowPodcast
Well, I guess I’m part of the “problem” then. Haha. I watch the show (although via sources that still don’t “count”), but had no clue he has a podcast.
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Yeah, but that may not count as an “online show” since the full episodes aren’t available on the platforms they were looking at.
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“Mildly interesting” is not very close to my reaction to this at all, rather something closer to “particularly concerning”
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets. Plenty of “opinion disguised as news” to go around these days.
The act of reading highly factual, if biased and not independent, still cultivates thinking for one self. Listening to these influencers doesn’t, to the same degree.
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. Mississippi Today. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. The Walrus. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart.
Also, if a journalist writes bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide.
The way to assess the credibility of a journalist is easy. Just look at their past articles. Their articles usually follow them for their entire career.
If someone on social media spreads bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart
And how much of the market do these networks control? Just because there are non profits available doesn’t negate their claim.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career. So they have to be careful.
Depending on what network they are submitting their work to… It’s not like “journalists” on Fox News are being shamed for submitting fake stories.
If someone on social media spreads total bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
Thats not true. They become president.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career.
WMDs in Iraq
I cannot imagine a sane moment in my life were I’d be completely OK listening to Russell Brand’s dog shit commentary for over an hour.
It is important to mind the small text, showing where the data came from. Subscribers and followers on YouTube, Spotify, Rumble, Twitch, Kick, Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.
I’m sure some of these right wing shows are funded by oligarchs and probably buying bot subs.
I don’t listen to or follow any of the sources on the chart, and I don’t like politics. That said, as a passerby I thought it was an interesting chart. One thing I thought about, the legacy media that is highly manipulated in my opinion is dominated by so-called left and the pseudo independent in my opinion voices in red on the chart are dominated by so-called right.
I believe most people no longer trust the legacy media and are turning to just about anything else as an alternative.
I think most people mistakenly think that some of these voices in red are independent of or not affected by persuasion, coercion, other. Some of these voices in red are also potentially literal government agents.
All that said, I also find it interesting that there are not more blue dots: pseudo independent so-called left voices.
Does this mean that the so-called left audience is captive to the legacy media? And/or does this mean that the so-called left audience does not trust independent voices?
I will check some of the comments to the original post to see if anybody has thoughts on that.
Anyways, thanks for your time.
I get my news from right here. So if I am misinformed: It’s y’all’s fault! 😝
Fun fact:
The Right owns online discussion because the left doesn’t support itself or really even engage meaningfully in significant numbers
So when Right posts, they only get flack from some left
When Left posts, they get flack from ALL right AND MOST of the left as well
Since most sites use popularity voting for visibility, this means in every case this gives the right significant more reach
Stop tearing down your leftist fellows, you won’t tho
When Left posts, they get flack from ALL right AND MOST of the left as well
Yeah, remember when the right was raging when Soros was funding left leaning causes, but they are mum when climate-change denying, racist, LGBT-phobe, rich oligarchs are funding anyone on the right?
If repugnicans didn’t have hypocrisy, they’d have no platform at all
And calling it out only highlights how powerless dems are to stop it
Right isn’t as unified as you might think. There’s plenty of right on right violence, especially when a channel that operates under the veneer of enlightenment or “smarts” does something that goes against it, like recent JP Jubilee appearance.
Left is also a very wide umbrella, not some team, so when someone is being idiotic, giving flack and “infighting” is good.
If you were even an atom correct we wouldn’t be in fascism right now
The left’s infighting is what lost this election. Every single Genocide Joe abstainer needs to have their voting rights removed permanently since they can’t handle the responsibility of having such power.
And that wide umbrella has a fucktonne of misandrists that are the cause of gamergate’s publicity and consequently Bannon’s pro-drumpf propaganda campaign followed the same pattern
So that wide umbrella could use some closing
The things you tout as ‘values’ are why we are here where we are now, so it’s time to change them.
You think infighting is good, but the people in control of every branch of our government are in power now because in the 80s Reagan forced them all to stop attacking each other and they accomplished ALL of their fucking goals ahead of time
Your rhetoric is old, failed and objectively useless in the modern political landscape
Liberals are on the right. The democratic part is center-right.
Lol, so much for “stop tearing down your leftist fellows”.
Only liberals say this shit, and they mean “abandon any leftist projects and give unquestioning support for imperialism abroad and austerity at home”
It reminds me of nazis complaining the left calls everyone nazis; this isnt a general problem everyone has.
Very much so, though I’m still shocked by how little they even try to pretend otherwise. Just one post to go from saying the left needs to stop infighting to tearing into the left like a rabbid wolverine.
The right is also pretty much unified in their one big Russia-funded ideological echo chamber, or at the very least, unwilling to speak out against it. Even if the left stopped the infighting with all their purity tests, it’ll take a lot more to counter the right.
Just in case, define “purity test” with examples.
My only purity test is that I will never support anyone ignorant or insincere enough to talk about “purity tests”.
“Purity tests” is a thought terminating cliche created by Democratic consultants to shut down legitimate dialog with the left. If the Democratic establishment didn’t have purity tests of their own, then whence “Anybody but Bernie”. Maybe try grappling with what those purity tests look like.
If purity test isn’t the right wording, then there’s still plenty of infighting, even if it stems from legitimate criticism. My point was that the right’s lock-step mentality is what gives them such a huge advantage.
Oh, there is plenty of infighting, but putting it on the left is nonsense. If the establishment fought the right as hard as they fight the left, it would be Democrats running the whole government.
Add the “vote blue, no matter who” as thought terminating cliche. The Democrats are enabling the Republicans anyway!
At least that one has been proven to be bullshit by the establishment’s reaction to the Mamdani campaign. I don’t think it’s going to be as useful to them going forward.
I guarantee you that the vast majority funding for right wing echo chambers comes from domestic oligarchs. Honestly, the most effective right wing misinformation campaign has been the one to get liberals to blame everything on reds under the bed.
I think the imbalance in available funding is what makes the difference.
Also, you immediately started tearing into other leftists one post later
Most of the ones labeled “left” here are pushing center right talking points at best.
The actual leftist online sources, like African Stream, are straight up banned from the platforms. The right wing sources dominate because they don’t challenge corporate interests, and are not subject to censorship.
The young turks turned far right over night once Harris lost.
Last I saw them was them saying the left needs to start treating trans people shittier because my"most Americans are transphobic" and if we ever want to win an election again, we have to be transphobic.
As a trans person myself dating another trans person, where are we supposed to go?
You know every well where they want you to go.
How do you even talk to these people? The left is transphobic, you’re just calling the centre-right the left and stopping there.
Feels like the conversation can go no where because they view the left as just things they don’t agree with
They go where the money is.
i was going to say, there are some other things on here mislabeled as blue
It wasn’t over night. For example, their support for harris was far right in the first place.
TYT is left? Excuse the fuck out of me? Lmfao last I heard TYT was russia funded
I haven’t even heard of TYT in years. Somehow they still have 12m viewers? Do people listen to them to fall asleep or something lol
They showed up on my feed when I got real into police accountability/1st amendment audits on YT. They used to do some coverage of really outrageous police interactions, but they’ve been swinging hard at turning the argument from “accountability” to “don’t resist”. Not my cup of mud
not really surprised, russias geopolitics includes funding both sides so they fight each other, and to distract from russias external policies. hence culture wars was a gift to them. they are basically agitators.
Them deciding to name themselves after the party that committed the Armenian genocide, the event according to which the term was defined, is especially heinous. It’s like calling a show NSDAP live.
They get funding, that much is obvious. It was the same story with the Nazis who got massive support from obvious sources.
Yep. “influencers” make their content free. Big newspapers with national reach just refuse to be read online, they want subscriptions.
There’s some good community papers but they don’t get much reach because the Internet doesn’t necessarily show you local stuff
Yes. Because educated individuals dont listen to talking heads.
I mean I do listen to left leaning news. Not right wing propaganda disguising as news
The left has its voices, but I don’t know many left-leaning people who hang on every word of media personalities. It seems less cult-ish.
