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To all the people telling OP they’re wrong, you don’t fly enough. The issue isn’t evenly distributed. It’s not like cars in traffic or whatever.
Airlines put the expensive seats in the front. The people who can afford them are usually much older, either traveling retirees or very late career white collar workers who have significant status. They’re the first ones holding up everyone because they take forever to find all the assorted shit (personal item, oversized roller bag, neck pillow, laptop, ipad, lost earbud, etc) they’ve stuck all over the place, which the gate agent/FAs wouldn’t admonish them for because of their aforementioned status. But they’re first class, so the peasants behind them can wait in the bread line.
After they get off (on watching you glare), depending on airline, it’s the fraction of people who are old and not rich, or don’t fly often and aren’t used to all the ritual. They’ll have placed their bag in an overhead that’s 12 rows behind them and demand everyone stop and crowd surf it up or else they’ll just sit there blocking the line.
After them come the young vacation families, you know, the ones who had the screaming baby for the last 6 hours. They couldn’t be bothered to pay for seat selection to save money so one parent is with one kid three rows ahead but needs to coral the kids behind them because the other parent was playing on a Nintendo switch for the whole flight and didn’t try to organize all the kids toys, now lost to entropy, and so the marital spat and bawling (louder now) children begin.
Then there’s you. You fly a lot so you have nothing more than two pairs of underwear and a toothbrush, all safely hidden from the TSA in your prison wallet and ready to go without so much as a nanosecond of notice, along with your phone and airpods to combat the screaming child in front of you. You got 31B, way in the back, after trying to game united’s seat assignment system by checking in only after all but the exit row seats were taken, but someone missed their flight and here you are.
Generally the legacy airlines will have the most old people, but the vast majority of people on them are very used to flying, because they know better than to book a budget airline. It’ll be slow yet ordered.
The budget airlines like united and frontier will be the opposite, lots of young spry 20 somethings, but lots of vacation families that couldn’t afford Delta… I won’t sugar coat it, it’s gonna be a shit storm. The FAs have been contractually required to keep everyone at the very edge of their sanity through the enforcement of a variety of draconian company policies (like turning on all the lights half way through a redeye to scream about some credit card offer), so things are primed for chaos. Lots of shoving and yelling. Everyone’s reviewing the Wikipedia “list of crimes of passion” to see if this qualifies.
Then there’s spirit. Half the people on the flight will be coming down off of something they got on the dark web by the time you arrive at the gate. You’ve already seen at least a liter of blood spilled from various fist fights. Everyone was already up and crushing each other in the aisle long before the captain even briefed the approach. The FAs have locked themselves in the lavs by now and the captain (an FFDO) has barricaded the flight deck with charts and duct tape and is aiming his questionably modded P320 at he door. Welcome to the new season of Hunger Games - Spam Can. You’re on your own, good luck and good hunting.
May the odds ever be in your favour!
Where’s Chapter 2? 🤓
I just don’t (entirely) agree about vacation families. Just like the airlines made their bad with paid checked luggage causing more cabin luggage, they did the same with paid seating. Most families wouldn’t care where they sit - so long as they’re together.
I male sure we always sit together, but for some, additional 200-500 USD/EUR for the whole trip is significant and may account for a good portion of the holiday budget.
Now one may say that then they shouldn’t fly, but why? Again - airlines made this problem.
that was beautiful
you should write a book
One other thing is that the people should allow other people who are already ready to walk out pass them before standing and taking out their carry-on. Most times I’ve seen all passanger wait for each row taking out their carry-ons sequentially instead of 10 taking them out at the same time. If everyone would be me with a carry-on it’d take around 5-10m since I only take the aisle when I’m ready to leave and/or there is another person taking out their carry-on in front or behind me.
So the correct way to do it is for people like you to skip the line? People who get up and move forward make me want to go postal. They exude “fuck everyone” energy and they think the fact that I stayed seated a few extra seconds is their invitation to skip line. Fuck that.
It’s not skipping the line, it’s waiting longer until there’s a time where you don’t hold it up and allow others to pass.
I am so confused by this thread and this comment might take the cake. It just feels like we’re all speaking different languages and none of them have anything to do with the original post. People are slow was the point. But the whole thread is people changing the subject in ways that make me say “… what ?”. Did I accidentally ingest hard drugs this morning or what?
What fucking line? What are you queueing for? Is there a Bruno Mars concert at the other end of the jetway or something?
If I’m ready to get off the plane and there’s room for me to leave me seat, I’m getting off the plane. I’m not waiting to consult with you to make sure it’s “my turn” to enter the fucking airport.
So you’re one of the selfish dickheads. Cool.
The selfish dickheads are the ones who get their panties in a wad when people get off the plane before them
You undoubtedly also skip lines at counters because you’re special
Waiting in line to purchase something is entirely different from exiting a plane and I’m disappointed that I have to point that out to you.
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this is accurate except for the bit about United - who the fuck flies United? don’t people know that they break guitars?
Take it from somebody who flies a lot:
Theorycrafting about the best way to load/unload a plane is pointless.
Bring a bottle of water on your plane. Bring some headphones and make sure they are charged. Make sure if halfway through the flight you even feel a little like you need to pee, do it in flight.
When the plane lands keep your headphones popped in, and chill out until you’re off the plane.
The main reason I like a window seat is because it means I don’t have anyone freaking out beside me that I haven’t stood up as soon as the plane stops rolling. I’m just gonna sit here and read thanks.
That’s why I fly business only. If I can’t afford for business class I don’t fly, simple as that.
When I travel solo, it’s with one shoulder bag I usually just shove under my seat, don’t even need the overhead. I’m instantly ready, but everyone is in my waaaay.
Same. But usually I opt to sit at the back. Sometimes I get a seat to myself and if not, one of the rows is reserved for medical and always free, so they let me have that. Then on landing, it’s just a matter of laying back and catching up on my phone as the cattle crams itself into awful positions and just stands there staring at their comfy seats. But if the rear door is open, I’m straight off.
If you can’t be first, you want to be last. This is the golden rule of embarking/disemmbarking an aircraft.
I’ve noticed more and more people taking sooo much stuff with them on board too. Like they think they are pioneers and need a covered wagons worth of provisions to weather the trip from ATL to LAX.
I suppose some of that can be blamed on the airlines for steep baggage fees but holy crap do people try and take way too much junk with them everywhere they go. So they all take 10 min to unpack.
It’s the fucking trolley warriors…they take as much stuff as possible inside the cabin, to avoid checking baggage.
Of course the time they save at the baggage belt, they waste for themselves and everybody else when disembarking the plane.Every time I’ve checked my bags I’ve been called a moron because my bags are going to get lost.
And sadly those people are not wrong, I’ve had my luggage lost twice, and they don’t pay you back for that.
I’ve had my luggage lost twice, and they don’t pay you back for that.
Excuse me?
Most likely, they pay something like $5/lb of lost luggage, which is not nearly enough
I was lucky to eventually get the lost bags instead of a useless payment when my bags were lost
Travel insurance? Regulation? Out of any insurance worth paying for, I think travel insurance is like top of the line. Anything goes wrong while travelling (stolen stuff, lost/delayed baggage/damaged rental car/cancelled flights/etc.) gives me a decent payback. I pay like 120 USD/yr.
Regarding regulations: At least in the EU/EEA we have some decent regulations requiring airlines to reimburse you if they lose or delay your baggage.
Next time I will fly anywhere, I’ll make sure to get that travel insurance, thanks for a hint
But it’s not just saving time, I want my stuff to make it to my destination too, and too often it doesn’t if you check it.
Or like that one time where I put my shampoo and conditioner in baggies so they wouldn’t spill over my luggage, and TSA took them out to test the liquid, THEN PUT THE DE-LIDDED CONTAINERS BACK IN THE SUITCASE WITHOUT THE BAG.
Wasted all my shampoo and conditioner, and I had to do laundry in the shower on vacation because there wasn’t a washer available.
Did you ask the hotel? If you are nice they might wash it for free
Nah, I wasn’t staying at a hotel. I had gone to Mexico with my childhood church for evangelism reasons, back when you could cross the border with just your birth certificate. We were staying in a building converted to a bunkhouse that was owned by the church. One room full of bunkbeds for the women, one room for the men, basic kitchenette, one bathroom for each gender, no laundry, couldn’t leave without a chaperone.
It was the worst vacation I’ve ever had.
I’ve travelled for work all my life, I’ve flied idk, hundreds of times, my luggage got lost exactly one time, when I got a connection in Switzerland, they left it on the tarmac. Luckily it was my toolbox, not my personal bag.
Another time my luggage lost me, meaning they loaded it on an earlier flight and then cancelled mine, so my luggage got to destination and I didn’t. That was on a flight from Miami to New York.
Blame the airlines for that. Some are still allowing free carry on, but charging $75 for a checked bag. This is entirely a problem created from airline greed.
And then they run out of overhead room, so they check your bag for free anyway.
So they miss out on the revenue, slow things down, and add logistical complexity to a process that is already notorious for losing track of critical items.
They only run out of overhead room because dickbags put a carry-on and their personal item in the bin. Your personal item goes under the seat.
The other consideration it has is on net luggage weight. Yeah, they’re still checking bags for “free” but they’re smaller and lighter - saving fuel by increasing efficiency. And that’s also a good thing from a pollution point!
Vote with your wallet (wherever possible)
Vote with your wallet (wherever possible)
The last large airline to NOT charge for checked bags in the USA, Southwest airlines, has switched to charging for bags.
Oddly the ones that have the best outcome for the deplaning scenario from this bad situation of paid checked bags are the ones that also charge for carry ons like Spirit or Frontier in the USA. So there is an incentive to NOT bring a carry on because you’ll be charged for it and instead just pay to check a bag (which has more capacity).
When did that change occur? I took a flight in July with SW and first bag was still free.
it’s with one shoulder bag I usually just shove under my seat,
That isn’t an option for those afflicted with long legs.
You have the long stride advantage so it evens out
I put it under the seat during takeoff/landing, then move it under my legs the rest of the flight. Frees up space for your feet while providing additional support under your legs.
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I would simply have a comically short torso
As long as you aren’t packing that bag to the seams, consider just sliding your feet under the bag.
I tend to be a “1.5 bagger” in that I have a small duffel/backpack in the overhead and my backpack/messenger bag for inflight stuff. And the latter gives me easy access to my steam deck or my kobo but is also more than small enough I can just slide my legs under and get a significant amount of legroom. ALSO has the benefit of making me lean back in my seat which means I don’t care if the person in front of me “reclines”
A buddy of mine is 6’5" and he is just in hell no matter what. Like, anything short of one of the enhanced legroom rows is gonna suck whether he has a bag under the seat or not.
They really need to load back to front, then unload front to back, if it was organized it would go so much better. Like announce when each group can stand and get bags and when each can leave.
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But how can they sell priority boarding then? Just think for one minute about the poor airline companies! /s
Airlines: “Wait, but I thought if you unload front to back you get a UTI”
You aren’t in traffic. You are traffic.
Just stop flying altogether, we’re in the middle of a worsening climate crisis. We can’t afford ourselves to fly anymore.
Indeed
https://www.yesmagazine.org/issue/life-after-oil/2016/02/11/how-far-can-we-get-without-flying
Hour for hour, there’s no better way to warm the planet than to fly in a plane.
I’ll probably catch shit for this, but I’m going to say it anyway: the normalization of casual air travel was a mistake. I think there is a time and place for it, but it isn’t something that should be done lightly.
Literally the fundamental attribution fallacy
Thank you. I had to look it up:
Oh nice. I’ve heard of a fundamental attribution error before but didnt realise it was this.
You commonly see it written as “we judge ourselves by our inte twins but others by their actions”.
Using the examples in that wikipedia page, if we are late for work it doesn’t matter because we intended to be on time. If others are late it indicates a lack of planning or dedication.
Nah y’all just don’t hustle enough.
But but but they have a small child- lame excuse for lame breeders, get out the way.
IMHO there should be a child section in back.
I’ve never flown but want to but all this crap news about airlines and people not understanding basic saftey issues is nerve racking.
Seeing the crowd of people squeeze off the Airplane like a tube of toothpaste only to all congregate around baggage claim is the same energy as passing aggressively on the street only for you to pull up next to them at the redlight.
This ignores:
- People with only a carry on.
- People with tight connecting flights they need to get to.
This only includes the people with a carry-on though.
I used to fly for work a LOT. At one point it was 2x a week for a year.
I have never once had my bags make it to baggage claim before me, even being the last person off the plane.
You couldn’t get away with just doing a carry on? It would have to be a 2+ week trip for me going through the hell of checking a bag.
I’m guessing the work travel involved merchandise they couldn’t put in a carryon, either due to size or other factors.
of course. bottled water salesman.
Or knives.
I’m with you. Shitty ass airlines sometimes will force you to check your bag, and I even recently had them do this when the overhead bins remained half empty. Infuriating!
Not GP, but I get free checked bags with “priority” (so they show up first) and pretty much only check a bag. Sometimes I just check a small carryon item.
I carry a backpack with my laptop and other electronics on the plane and that’s it.
alaska air has a 20 minute guarantee. they’ve beaten me before to the baggage claim, pretty impressive.
i used to fly a lot back in the 90s. rarely had to wait for bags, even when taking the cattle car (old swa).
Try İstanbul airports - especially Sabiha Gökçen. They are really fast.
Happened to me at STT. I think they ended up on a dedicated baggage flight or something, because they didn’t come off my plane. Thought they’d been lost and started freaking out, turns out they’d been there for a while already and had been set aside. Wish I’d been on the flight without the layover.
Those islands have different rules. Longest I’ve ever waited for bags
Honestly i just want to stand after a long flight. I do not fit well in the seats, my shoulders are significantly wider than the seats. If I end up in a middle seat I have to roll my shoulders in. If I’m in an aisle or window seat I have to lean away from the other person. Not comfy
At the risk of sounding boomer despite not being boomer, have others noted a decline in basic decency with deplaning? In the past maybe two years or so even I’ve never seen so many people from the back of the plane rush ahead into the aisle blocking people in front of them from getting out and disrupting the hell out of the standard row by row front to back organized way to get off a plane. Last. Flight I took when I got into the tunnel some lunatic behind me tried to trample me, stepped on the heel of my shoe and ripped my shoe off. Not even a “sorry” Modern air travel is the epitome of enshitification.
From my experience, rushing the front of a plane during deplaning is common in Asia. I noticed it the most in Thailand, China, and India, but I’ve admittedly only had a few travels there. I’ve asked a few Asian natives about this trend, and the general consensus so far seems to be that, especially for China and India, there is a sense of “everyone for themselves” due to the sheer population density in many areas. If you don’t push forward, you won’t make it onto a crowded train.
I have seen much less of this in Europe and North America, except for the occasional eager individuals or small group. In those cases, I haven’t noticed any perceivable pattern in ethnicity. If I had to pick out a trait that comes to mind, I most often notice it in younger men. It could be confirmation bias, though.
I saw someone itt say that it speeds up deplaning for them to rush to the front like you’re saying.
It likely does. The chaotic bumrush wouldn’t be permitted by the airlines if it didn’t work. The sense of panic in promotes is probably good for deplaning averages. Like so many things that are good for corporations, it’s very damn unpleasant for customers.
No, it doesn’t speed up deplaning for some asshole to block me from getting my bag down and make me have to wait until later because they think they’re special. It’s a line and they’re skipping it.
Are you making assumptions or do you have stats on this?
If you did you would’ve shared them.
I’m betting on the money. If you think the airlines haven’t looked at whether it would be more expedient and therefore profitable to organize deplaning or leave things to animal instincts you are underestimating their greed.
Dude why do you think the airlines are in a hurry? Lol
Everything they do is slow and behind schedule. They do not care, they already have your money. It doesn’t save them anything to deboard a couple minutes faster.
Edit: I could probably list several things they could do to for sure save time but they don’t do because again, they already have your money
I mean, imo we should all collectively decide to deboard from in to out, not row by row. Makes way more sense, since two columns can stand up and grab their bags from the overhead, then two whole columns just walk off the plane. As it is, literally the whole plane is blocked from exiting by every single row as they stand there struggling to get their bags free.
If you have a kid with you, or some other circumstance like that, sure, take them with you. But for everyone else deplaning by column makes a ton more sense.
Sounds great. They could just turn the lights on one column at at time as a signaling strategy. Of course it doesn’t solve the God forsaken cursed chaos that is baggage in an overhead further back than one’s seat. That is like a three body level type of conundrum.
If that happens, you just wait in your row until the plane is empty.
I’ll die on this hill: overhead compartments should have dividers and sections assigned to seats. This would solve a number of problems, including oversized bags (it must fit in the section assigned to you) and the problem you describe.
Ah yes, collective decision making, so easy, especially with strangers.
I know, I know, it’s a pipe dream. Doesn’t stop me from fantisizing each time I’m on a plane.
So many problems in this world would be solved if only we could just get everyone all together to do <insert whatever>.
But over all it’s good if people hate flying since we are not supposed to fly anyway. Yay!
“I’m not even supposed to be here!”
I just assume that deplaning is not happening until people 2 rows ahead stand up to grab their carryons. Everything before that is part of the flight experience.
Zero stress.
It’s remarkable how many people in these comments detest people wanting to have a chill time when flying.
We’re not slowing the rest of you down - we’re getting out of your way. There’s so many moving parts that an extra five minutes are so far down the list of things that I’m just not fussed.
Trains are a bit different - there rushing can make all the difference. The limiting factors there are usually how quickly one can get between platforms!
It’s not the people who are chill and out of the way, it’s the 80 year old dude who forces his way in front of you, who is totally not ready to get moving, looking for his stuff while in the aisle, can’t get his luggage down by himself and walks slower than hell.
I fly several times a year and haven’t really noticed that? I usually sit towards the back anyways though.
Yes it’s insane. I was on a flight recently, we got in 15 minutes early and the flight attendant came over the PA asking to let people with tight connections off first. I was bewildered, we’re 15 minutes early, just deplane like normal. I didn’t have a connection, but I do have things in my life I need to attend to.
just say you have a connection?
I can’t remember a time in the last 30 years where things were different. People have always sucked.
I just had this yesterday! Was literally standing up out of my aisle seat and some boomer lady literally pushed me aside to get off the plane. I’m hoping she had another plane to catch, but goddamn you were one row away, we’re talking maybe 30 more seconds here.
It shouldn’t at all be a surprise, since Covid, reports of “air rage incidents” spiked about 1000% and then remained elevated ever since.
People are no longer able to be in enclosed spaces with each other because everyone is paranoid of everyone else, mental problems don’t get treatment, they get communities of supporters, and every American has a custom algorithm that feeds them specific, atomizing perspectives of a world we once all shared. Even basic decency is out the window because we are abandoning any sense of community with our fellow citizens.
I honestly think most people are twice as slow as me, and it adds up so fast. I am always so ready to get off the plane but it seems like most people aren’t for some reason? They must enjoy the cramped farttube experience much more than I do. I’ve often just spent hours with some asshole rubbing up against my elbow and I’m ready to gtfo.
I’m the exact opposite. I get annoyed when everyone springs up at the same time, as if rushing into the aisle will get them off the plane faster. Last time I flew, I had an aisle seat. I stayed seated while everyone lined up in the aisle. Meanwhile, the asshole in the window seat sprang up, and looked at me expectantly.
I had to be like “uhh bro the aisle is already full. Where do you expect me to go? Sit your happy ass back down and wait for the line to start moving.” Even worse, I knew his bag was behind us, so he’d have to push everyone in the aisle backwards in order to get to it. No, you can fucking sit there and wait your turn, like you were taught in kindergarten.
as if rushing into the aisle will get them off the plane faster
No, as if it’s more comfortable to stand after sitting for hours on end. Also, being ready to move with your bag would undoubtedly help.
Its a tricky game to play.
For you, if you know it will take you 3s to go from sitting comfortably to walking down the aisle, then fine - you can wait.
Most people need time to get organised. They’re also unable to focus on getting organised unless they’re standing up because that is one step in getting organised. They have no ability to prioritise the steps which are presently actionable.
There’s an effect I see in situations like this where the people in a big hurried rush end up being slow asses because apparently they don’t care about this working efficiently, they just care about when they can stop waiting.
On a plane these are the people who leap out of their seat and block your row, only to start searching for their bag once it’s their turn to get off the plane.
I see the same from drivers at red lights. If there are multiple lanes waiting to go, and one car has to inch forward every 5 seconds even though they are already way past the line, then in my very limited anecdotal experience there’s like a 90% chance when the light turns green they just sit there for a few seconds after I start going.
When I’m dictator, impatience will be abolished and punishable by fine or imprisonment.
You have my vote but only if you promise extra special treatment for the people who stand shoulder to shoulder right up against the baggage claim conveyor at the airport. And the ones who rush into full elevators trying to unload.
The amount of overlap in those two groups will probably save your Patience Police a bunch of time and resources.
Swift execution for those mentioned!!
one car has to inch forward every 5 seconds even though they are already way past the line
In my limited experience these cars are driven by people so absorbed by their phones that they don’t realize they aren’t fully engaging the brakes.
I think automatic transmissions have conditioned people to sit too far from the pedals.
I just bought an old classic and haven’t driven stick in a decade. After I got everything comfy and adjusted how I wanted I realized something: I couldn’t get the clutch all the way down if I tried, I’m too far away. Same for the brakes.
Power brakes have made us feel as though all we need is the braking power of our toes, but what happens when your ABS pump goes out and you have to use actual force to apply the brakes at 65mph? Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
If we were all still popping clutches at every red light I don’t think this would be an issue. I think we’d have less distracted drivers too, needing to shift manually keeps a driver engaged with the car and road.
I Wasn’t advocating to ban Automatic Transmissions when this comment started, I am now.
Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
Hi there friend, would you kindly get the heck out of my nightmares?
Responding to the rest of your comment: I love driving a manual transmission. My first three cars were manuals, and we have two automatics right now, but my next car in a year or so will probably be something fun and agile with a manual. Or EV of course, depending on what’s available for the price at the time.
Hi there friend, would you kindly get the heck out of my nightmares?
I’ve had brakelines fail, you press the brake, and it just stays down.
You just reminded me of the fact that I drove a car with a leaking brake caliper to the dealer for a warranty repair like 20 years ago. Lots of engine braking and gently using the hand brake in non-emergency slowing down, just in case using my brakes like normal would lose me too much brake fluid.
I can’t believe I did that shit. I was careful and took the slow streets and didn’t have any close calls but damn.
The pool of vehicles that still have MT is getting smaller and smaller each year, at least in north America.
I feel this. Both in terms of driver engagement safety and in how much I loathe traditional automatic transmissions. Still stuck owning one in one of the two vehicles I have at the moment but only because it was all I could afford for the second of two vehicles large enough to fit all my kids.
I have had several manual transmission vehicles and the other current one is a PHEV and one of the rare models that is a series hybrid so it drives like a true EV.
Me and my 300 clones spider-crawling over the seats to deplane.
SURRRRRGE!!!
Why stress yourself like that? 😆
Just wait in your seat a few minutes longer, you even have an internet connection now. And the best part is, you then don’t have to walk together with that crowd, and then your baggage is probably also already on the belt when you’re there to pick it up.
This is the same line of thinking as, “if everyone drove like me, there’d be no traffic,” (a phrase used exclusively by terrible drivers).
Project much?
No. It turns out driving and grabbing a bag while walking are actually very different activities.
It’s the same attitude. People who disregard traffic laws to drive faster think everyone is causing the problem, without thinking about how their driving affects everyone else. The guy who gets up and grabs his bag first doesn’t think about the 5 other people in the row who have to wait to get their bag, or that there are 50 rows of people that are all trying to do the same thing.
If everyone drove like me there’d be no traffic. As I only pick up the car like once a month.
Covid was a great time with clear roads
I use that phrase all the time and I’m not a terrible driver. In fact, I rarely drive at all. I work from home and live in a walkable area. So yeah, literally if everyone drove like me, there would be less traffic.
Fair enough. Most people mean, “If everyone drove 85 in the 55, ignored safe following distances, and didn’t waste time signaling and checking their blind spots, there would be no traffic.” Those people are not correct.
