I’m not sorry. Seeing someone who spread so much hate and bigotry and weaponized disinformation get his clock cleaned was absolutely fine by me.
I have empathy for lots of people even if we don’t always agree, but not for people like Charlie Kirk.
Empathy: a made up word that apparently most people in this thread dont have.
Seriously, can no one see the irony in hating this sick fuck of a waste of air, and everything he stands for, but then using his views as justification for his death?
You are mocking him for saying empathy isnt real, which ironically shows an absolute lack of empathy and an admission that you agree with him.
Just stop and take a breath.
He was an absolute prick and i am not sad he is gone. But somebody was shot and killed and all you can do is point an laugh.
How can you stand on any moral high ground when there are any other shootings or murders that you want people to mourn.
Empathy does not come without conditions.
Example, Trump is a vile human being, I feel no empathy towards him.
I feel empathy towards the people who, as we say in Sweden, bites the sour apple and interacts with him out of necessity while maintaining their professionalism.
I can even feel empathy toward the first wave MAGA crowd, plenty of them was deceived and fooled into believing their lies, and the weak democrats only acting as a ratchet and not reversing the GOPs decisions when they could have. I feel empathy toward them for having been brainwashed for generations into believing that socialism is bad, that line must go up, but that things can never improve more than marginally.
The US government has failed is people, I have no empathy toward the people perpetuating the status quo
Yeah, sorry i conceeded elsewhere that empathy was not what i meant. I appreciate what you are saying.
I just have 2 points. 1 is that feeling pleasure in watching someone dying gruesomely is concerning.
And 2. Applauding and validating this shooting goes both ways. If you don’t oppos3 this then you are opening the doors and saying its ok for anyone to shoot anyone if they have an opinion.
Kirk may have been a complete fake and just peddling propaganda and nonsense. A vile creature but from the rights point of view, thats what left wing equivalents are doing. From their perspective its ok to retaliate.
I think it s3ts a dangerous precedent and people should be careful how they go forward with this.
It’s perfectly fine, showing empathy towards people who does not, is an increadible strength.
Depending on the situation, it could even change their views.
However, someone who tries to argue that empathy is bad, a weakness, does deserve to get a taste of what true lack of empathy is.
If I saw Trump or Vance alone on in a forest with a broken bone in the middle of winter, would I help? Yes, but i would be a huge dick about it once I realized who they were.
It’s about consistency. This is man who said, in the wake of school shootings, that a few gun deaths every year is a worthy cost for gun rights. This is a man that said empathy was a made up woke term that causes a lot of damage.
Why should anyone have empathy for him being shot at a school? Not caring about those kinds of victims was his entire platform. This is karma, divine poetic justice, and I’m not going to ignore that. He got precisely what he deserved.
Yeah, i guess i was wrong, i guess I’m not talking about empathy. Like morally you are right not not mourn his death, but the prevailing sentiment in the thread is one of taking pleasure in watching that video of him bleeding profusely from the neck.
Frankly, the idea of that not instantly invoking in you a similar torrent of vomit, is alien to me.
I guess it’s just so… poignant. The poetic justice of it counteracts any revulsion.
It’s REALLY different, when you’re the specific kind of person he spent his life degrading, defaming, and spreading hateful rhetoric about, so that he could harm you. Successfully. They are teaching his garbage in schools. Right now. So that he can train children to hate me. Specifically. My family. My friends and neighbors.
I’m sorry you don’t get this, but when the racism, the hate, the violence, the laws being passed to try and make life impossible. when they DIRECTLY and explicitly effect YOU. Not “they came for the communists” but for YOU. it’s a very different kind of feeling than when it’s just a group you don’t give a shit about.
Charlie Kirk didn’t hate you. I can tell. Because if he hated you as much as he hated me. and spend as much time as he did talking about how other people needed to hate you as much as he talked about people needing to hate me, you wouldn’t be saying this stupid ass shit.
The OP posted that they enjoyed WATCHING him die. If you saw that video and felt joy, then i think there is something wrong.
I feel joy that he is deadm that he is gone. He cant keep spreading his shit everywhere.
I did not enjoy watching him die.
Where is your humanity if you took pleasure in watching that video.
2 things can be true. You can be happy he died but not enjoy watching it.
Thats all i am trying to say.
I already conceeded the empathy thing.
I haven’t watched it and don’t want to watch it either. I don’t need to see someone’s neck explode, no matter whose it is. I feel like if I were to watch it, some deep part of myself would never be the same. I’d forever have watched somebody die. And not “watch somebody die” like when I was 12 and we all watched people jump out of 100+ story windows on every news channel (which was disturbing enough.) I mean “watch somebody die” as in seeing their face as the light leaves their eyes. I don’t want that in my heart forevermore, even if the person who died was the devil incarnate.
However, I understand why others are watching it with schadenfreude. Humans have been making spectacles of death for quite some time. Public executions used to be community events. It probably feels very cathartic to a lot of people to see someone they consider “evil” be “dealt justice.” This particular death may have been especially relieving, since it was apparently a comedically-timed, over-the-top explosion.
I don’t personally feel the way others here feel, but I can’t judge them for it either. With how few wins we’ve seen over the past decade, I’m not surprised that this video is as popular as it seems to be.
“All words are made up.” - Thor
I have said it before, and I will say it again.
Empathy is a huge strength, lack of it is a huge weakness.
My only empathy is for the students at the school who probably thought they were about to be victims as well, thinking maybe they were about to experience a mass shooting. Kirk spewed vile hatred non stop, said that gun deaths were needed for us to have our 2nd amendment right, so he did die from what he preached.
I feel for the students in Colorado who just hours after did become victim to a school shooting, the Democratic officials in Minnesota who the media have forgotten about after their assassination.
Does that make me a bad person? I don’t really give a shit. There’s one less toxic commentator/grifter out there saying demeaning shit about minorities and my trans homies, one less voice calling for their deaths. If the left had a version of Kirk that was assassinated, they’d be saying the exact fucking thing.
I worry about what the repercussions will be for the country.
I feel a little bad for his kids, having no dad probably sucks. Well, not nearly as much as having Kirk as a dad, but still. I feel the same way for Barron Trump and Elon’s kids, not much they can do to escape attention and indoctrination. Still doesn’t mean that he was a good man just for having a family, regardless of what CNN and the NYT say.
I don’t want anyone watching to have trauma symptoms, sadly they’re going to, but even if they support him I don’t want that for them.
But watching him about to open his big mouth and say more pro gun shit and then get picked off like a clay pigeon in a shooting gallery? 10/10.
I dunno, I mean his supporters deserve trauma. Id feel for the Lefty’s that went to just heckle or observe hate. But I’m probably in the top 1% of the darkest (not skin tone) people on the left. Personally I wouldn’t mind being there to witness it, but I’ve seen a lot in Iraq. One shitty guy doesn’t phase me at all, so maybe my opinion on this is a little skewed.
I hate seeing a young vulnerable person who has been manipulated into believing weaponized disinformation like from Charlie, who probably with some more time in higher education and living away from their bumfuck home town would acquire a more discerning political outlook,suffer this trauma.
It could also be the moment of awakening, too.one thing I can guarantee, is that they’ve been thinking about ethics for the last 33 hrs non-stop.
I dont feel bad for them. We have over sheltered the country. We dont want people see videos of what happens. We dont show them the photos. “Its too graphic”. Good. See it. Look at the reality. Maybe if more peoole did that we would have less wars, less rhetoric. Its all a big game because we dont confront peoole with the dark reality.
“Y’all are all about ‘shoot Nazis, kill Nazis’ until a Nazi dies. Then it’s ‘Oh but that Nazi had a family.’ Fuck off.”
I mean, I feel bad for his kids assuming it ever dawns on them that dad was famous for being a lying sack of shit and left this world after being struck with 150 grains of irony (not sure what actual weight of projectile did him in, but old milsurp seems fitting).
New band name, I call it
It’s all yours
so glad that I can evade all consequences forever by knocking up bitch
Died like a lil bitch is what he did. Didn’t even put up a fight, just went out like a light.
Not to defend these cunty fascists, but how exactly do you suppose anyone — barring Superman — “fights” a surprise bullet to the neck?
By the time he heard the shot he was already dead.
Didn’t even try to staunch the blood flow, just keeled over. Weak.
yeah like of all the things you can make fun of him for you choose the fact that he didnt magically deflect a rifle round with his jugular? wtf lmao
Not alpha enough I guess? Who knew.
Bootstraps to pull himself up over the bullet?
Trump Bible to deflect the bullet?
Anti-woke shield?
Who cares? He’s dead.
Bullets are fast.
By the time he heard the shot he was already dead.
Beta cuck move on his part.
So a big thing of these 2A advocates is the whole idea that as a good guy with a gun, you can take care of all the bad guys with guns.
I must assume he owns guns. He did not defend himself from what to him would be the “bad guy with a gun”.
Or in an ironic twist, you could say that in this instance the good guy with the gun DID take out the bad guy.
That might work in a robbery or something, where a gun is used as in “do what I tell, because I’ve got a gun”.
But as I assume the bullet wasn’t subsonic, he literally could not have even heard the shot before getting hit.
Even if he had the speed of the Flash he couldn’tve dodged. Would’ve needed Spidersense to see it before it was coming.
And these fascist cunts are no superheroes lol
Edit “you could say that in this instance the good guy with the gun DID take out the bad guy.”
Well a guy of some sort took out an evil guy for sure but dk if he’s that good himself. I don’t judge him for this murder but might for others
It’s not supposed to be taken seriously. This was a person who thinks mass shootings are a necessity because everyone needs to have easy access to guns. Part of a large group of people who think it’s actually reasonable to have to defend yourself from shooters at any moment, and who downplay the difficulty of protecting yourself from a shooter. THIS is the reality. You might never even know there’s a shooter.
This isn’t Charlie Kirk, but a bunch of other second amendment advocates being mocked by Sacha Baron Cohen. They all seemed to agree it’d be great to give school children guns to prevent school shooting. Because that’s the best solution, rather than having fewer crazy people with guns.
If one of these people gets shot from a distance and people say “what a pussy, didn’t even attempt to defend himself”, it’s to point out how dishonest their rhetoric is: You CAN’T just magically protect yourself from other people with guns just because you have a gun. It doesn’t work that way. It’s not just the distance either. Someone could walk around with a loaded firearm concealed in a comically large hoodie pocket and just pull the trigger standing right behind you, you’d never know he wanted to kill you. But THEY pretend that it’s OK that every would-be shooter in the country has access to firearms, because you, too, can have access to firearms, and therefore it’s completely trivial to protect yourself. It’s not.
If one of these people gets shot from a distance and people say “what a pussy, didn’t even attempt to defend himself”, it’s to point out how dishonest their rhetoric
That’s a decent point, noted.
But given my reply also includes comparisons to Superman and the Flash, and I presume one of them couldn’t dodge it, then I’m sort of supporting the taking that shitty rhetoric to the absurd, even though I may have been too stoned to get the first as a complete joke.
Sacha Baron Cohen gets tons of respect for me, that shit he pulled was actually dangerous.
and therefore it’s completely trivial to protect yourself. It’s not.
100% agree. I enjoy guns and I waa in the military but I probably wouldn’t get my own gun licence currently due to some doagnosis I have. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Because while I might consider myself a responsible person, I know tons of others are. One friend had his guns taken away due to always getting into fights in bars. And that’s fucking right.
I can stand up to people on the street because I don’t have to worry about them literally murdering me with a few flicks of their finger.
Shouldn’t have dressed like that, really he is asking for it
All the pearl clutching from people who openly support a man “Who could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose a single vote.”
I’d call them hypocrites but they’re too busy praying in public to hear me.
Their messaging is also weirdly contrived. They almost never do the same for deaths of innocent people, they consider them statistics rather than people. But then a bad guy meets a bad fate, and they bring out their alts accounts to tell you “yOu gUyS aRe eViL.”
Irony is lost on some people.
Yeah. Reading conservative subreddits last night was depressing. I was convinced most of the users are bots though. All of them seem to be saying the same shit.
Sadly that is actually the level of critical analysis that CK listeners operate on. The biproduct of being religiously conditioned to trust in authority without question.
Source: Canadian with Maple MAGA family.
Well, I say they seem like bots not because they are mad/sad he died, or about their beliefs. But just the way that thousands of people are all expressing hatred and intent for violence against the left, in very similar ways. They sound like LLM output to me.
Maple MAGA family
What a sad day to be literate.
Yeah its wild - normally i click off of these type of videos, but i felt less than nothing for him but damn that’s alot of blood
Was as entertaining as watching ketchup coming out of the bottle.
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I’ve seen this sentiment around a bit, and while I’m not going to tell people their feelings are wrong (I did not like the guy and while I would have preferred something else happen to him over murder, he did help support the set of circumstances that made his assassination possible), I find it confusing enough that it makes me question if either my brain works differently around this or if I’m misunderstanding what feeling empathy actually refers to, because to me, it doesn’t seem “voluntary” like that.
Like, for me, if something unpleasant happens to someone, I can’t really help but to start imagining it and going over what it might be like to be in or around that position and getting emotionally worked up, pretty much automatically. It doesn’t really even matter if I’m glad the guy is gone at some level or hated them, my brain gets the immediate gut twist of “damn, that seems like a horrible experience” all the same. Like, it could be someone as heinous as literal Hitler, and even then if some documentary gets into the details of his end my first gut reaction is likely to be a sense of discomfort and something like “it would really suck to wake up one day as someone that’s done all that and brought themselves to such a position, imagine what would be going through your head in that situation”.
I haven’t watched the video as I don’t handle blood and gore and such well, and I don’t mean this as some kind of judgement or assertion of virtue, it’s just a bit confusing to me when people say things like “I have no empathy for guys like that” or “you shouldn’t feel empathy for fascists because they don’t deserve it” and I’m like, okay, but how? Does your brain just let you decide not do that? Mine seems to just do it automatically regardless of if it feels appropriate or not.
Feel your feelings. Do what’s right for you. Nobody else makes that decision for you.
I’ve spent the last eight years infiltrating white supremacists on social media. I have seen people like Charlie and what their conversation is like when they’re among their own and the masks are off. That’s why I don’t feel bad for him, I have seen their true faces.
You dont need to feel bad for him. You dont need to mourn and you can be happy that he is dead. But if that video of him dying didnt make you feel awful, because you just watched somebody die, then dont you think you might need to take a look at yourself? How much snuff content have you watched to get to a point where somebody gushing blood from their neck doesnt feel bad, you actually feel good watching it? Dont you see how thats a little bit disturbing?
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I dont think we are talking about the same thing here. Im not evem sure you read my comment properly.
I am glad he is gone. He was a abhorrent piece of garbage.
But i dont take pleasure in watching people die. Thats what the sentiment is here. Joy and pleasure at watching people die.
I also dont know i can agree about me having a sheltered life. I have witnessed and experienced the death of others in my life. And it is always foul. I guess not living in the US being surrounded by death and mass shootings on an weekly basis means i still find it sickening.
I just think that feeling happy someone died and feeling happy watching someone die are two different things
One is joy that someone evil has been ended, one is joy at watching blood explode from someones neck.
I hope you see my point.
Edit: i feel i need to clarify. Death is gross to me. No matter how “quick”, “painless” or “deserving” it was.
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So your humanity is on a sliding scale? Death is only gruesome and foul if it happens to good people? Is there a specific point where it flips from ok to not ok?
Hating someone and wishing they were dead is not the same as taking pleasure in watching them die. My comment is responding to the original post about OP taking joy in watching the video. You are straw-manning my point. Twisting it into something else.
Do you see what i am saying?
I followed this stuff very closely. I know who kirk was. I despised him outright. You are mistaking my disgust for murder for empathy. I hated him. But i dont want to watch him explode blood from his neck.
Cant you see how foul that is? You are really gonna compare it to the frankly archaic practice of death row and watching people get killed? What is this the fucking 1800s?
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Because of justice (or perceived justice). Just like if you see an old man knocked out by a angry 30 year old, you’d feel badly for the man, except if that 30 year old just caught the old guy molesting your kid, then your sympathy ends.
You described it pretty perfectly as I experience it. Charlie Kirk was an awful piece of shit, and also violence is bad. I watched the video but shouldn’t have. I truly cannot understand how people are so gleeful. I certainly get being glad that he’s dead. He didn’t deserve life. But as you said, empathy isn’t voluntary. People are either devoid of it or overriding it. America fucking sucks and probably will never get better.
Same! I think curiosity and sleep depravity got the better of me when i sought out the video.
Then i instantly and continuously regretted watching it as it was fucking foul! I cant get the image of the neck snap and blood exploding from his neck our of my head.
I absolutely despised this guy, but watching anybody die should have a natural effect on anyone.
I cant get behind this sentiment of wanting to watch him die for pleasure. That makes me think there are a lot more sick people on this platform than i had previously believed.
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That makes me think there are a lot more sick people on this platform than i had previously believed.
I absolutely agree. And the smug self righteousness here is even worse than reddit. People really disappoint me sometimes. This feeling I have right now is similar to the two times trump won. I always thought people were better than this.
Then just when you cannot think more badly of people, some dick will come along and tell you that you support fascism. Because that’s clearly what being disgusted by watching a murder means, right? The lack of empathy for even the living is palpable.
That’s what empathy is, it’s automatic, reason doesn’t factor in. There is nothing wrong with you.
Reasoning how to feel afterwards is something different.
So, I don’t think it’s entirely voluntary either way, it’s just a matter of where your perspective defaults to. I consider myself a fairly empathetic person and I happen to sit on the opposite side of this. As much as I try, I cannot feel empathy for him.
When I try, the empathy I feel is for everyone he advocated to subjugate and kill. I cannot fathom being in the shoes of someone so pointlessly, shamelessly hateful. When I put myself in his shoes, there is no connection that makes it in any way feel like a real person’s understandable perspective. If he had changed at some point? That would be understandable. Imagining that makes me feel empathy for the person he could have been, but that person doesn’t exist, never existed and may never have. I feel more empathy for that hypothetical person than I do the actual Charlie Kirk, someone who himself felt that feeling empathy was a sickness and wanted to eradicate me from society.
I struggle to find anything to empathize with there.
With that said, I watched the video. It made me feel sick to my stomach. But that didn’t change the immense relief I felt knowing there was one less person in the world that thought I should be stoned in the street. I don’t think you’re wrong for feeling unsettled by someone taking glee in it though. It’s hard to imagine the kind of pain someone has to go through to get to the point where someone’s death is something to celebrate as a relief.
The justifications are just ways of shutting down empathy. You can stop feeling those things automatically if you work at closing them off. It’s a great first step at becoming a psychopath, if you want.
Well, I don’t wish ill on anybody. But when it does happen to some people, schadenfreude can be enjoyable.
Rest in piss Charlie.
I wish ill on people who do evil shit. I also wish they’d see the error of their ways and make amends. They don’t tend to though. Watching Charlie get so neatly picked off like a clay pigeon in a shooting gallery as he was about to spew more horseshit was highly satisfying.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched that 4 second clip. I even fucking downloaded it.
It’s getting hard to find, Google has wiped it out. I found some on Facebook. Just pop, gush, and old Charlie has reached his own personal turning point.
sensible giggle, I like you OP
That doesn’t surprise me at all, that’s why I downloaded it. I even showed it to a right-winger last night at work. Maybe he makes the connection that these ideas are dangerous, maybe he doesn’t. He just said “oh my God… What the fuck…” Another dude brought it up but never heard of him. He had already seen the video but was asking who he is, and I told him he’s a propagandist for the right wing. He said “ahhh fuck em then.”
Where did you download from?
Mastadon.
Edit: it was from a link someone posted on the mega thread.
I am enjoying this slo mo video.
As far as I’m concerned it was the same as watching footage of a Nazi’s neck exploding.
And I’ll always take joy in that.
The only good fascist is a dead fascist.
I don’t think you should be feeling some of the utter glee that I’m seeing some people espouse. You can find it funny, you can feel indifferent, even a little glad that such a dickhead isn’t in the world anymore, but some of the stuff that people are saying on social media (using their full name and photo like an idiot) is a little disconcerting. I don’t think it’s healthy.
I couldn’t give a shit about Kirk personally or his family, but I’ve seen friends turn to extreme levels of sadistic joy, watching the video again and again, and trying to get me to watch it, pretending to have a party about it.
…I dunno, that doesn’t seem like a mentally healthy thing to be doing.
No, celebrating it makes you not much better morally and emotionally. A sense of justice though? I can see that.
The president is a pedophile. No one in America is mentally healthy any longer.
It’s absolutely okay to feel relief when you experience the death of an abusive person.
Hey just looked at his wikipedia page and whats funny to me is there is very little about his actual life. Its like hes a caricature and nothing more. It makes me think of animes where people are caught up with spirits and stop being human. In this case the spirit is the movement that does not care for his humanity.
His Wikipedia should mention how he failed at the game of life. I’ve already significantly outlived him in years. And I’m not a pathetic worm propagandist. I beat Charlie Kuck at the game of life. We all did.
Im not sure playing is winning at this point.
he failed at the game of life. I’ve already significantly outlived him in years
Thank you; this is a thought worth keeping in my pocket for the next time I feel down.
It’s true! But I think that’s what dark money does, it installs political figures who don’t really have a human side.
If they did, they wouldn’t take the job.
He was such a hollow husk of a man that I’m surprised there was anything inside to leak out.
He never has his own opinions or views. He only displayed the opinions and views of his fanbase and worked to maintain that. He focused on his mask for so long, that the real person was hollowed out.
Charlie Kirk died while doing what he loved:
Being a horrible horrible person, and a blight on humanity.
He died in the midst of what he loved: a school shooting.
I guess he was the violent gun death he hoped for to keep the 2A.
Gotta be high on the list of most ironic deaths of 2025.
I can never actually rejoice in it. I avoided the video and my wife sprung it on me and like other things like this I berated her (she knows I don’t like reality gore and prefer printed news). I made comments because its a bit hard not to with mister a few killings here and there are the price you pay for gun freedom.
Here’s why I feel the way I do. Because he said shit like this.
Here’s the full article with all the things he has said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
Guessing the WMBA one was about Brittney Griner, who nobody liked, but you can see how he capitalized on that to push his agenda. Seriously, we traded someone who willing went to Russia for the war criminal that Lord of War was based off of.
I get why someone would but again I can’t really rejoice. A human died, a man died, a man was assasinated while publically speaking. I can say that and I don’t like that. I can’t say a good man died though, that is for sure.
It’s absolutely fine you feel that way. You feel what you feel.
I’m with you, soldiers came back from war with PTSD just from seeing a dude get smoked, I don’t need to watch that shit, much less take glee in watching it.
I accept that with him gone, the movement I disagree with has been kneecapped, but damn, watching what people say is one of the most gruesome shootings…
And all us millennials who said “man I watched such dark shit on early internet”, and then to still watch Charlie get one tapped… Don’t need that image rumblin round in the noggin.
I mean I get people feelings. My thing is several things happened I don’t like. An person died. It was an extrajudicial killing. It happened while peacefully publicly speaking. However I can’t say a good man died. The things people say online is also peaceful public speaking in the sense its comparable to the public speaking of the guy who died. By his own standards he called for not having empathy, accepting gun deaths as the price of the second amendment, and having families and children be witness to executions. So I get it. Its not how I want things done but I get the online sentiment. Don’t want to see it though rather read about it. I mean I feel that way with most news but if I do want to witness video Its not see horrible things.
And all us millennials who said “man I watched such dark shit on early internet”,
I feel like, as Millennials, we never had to go far out of our way to witness something fucked up. We’re the generation that saw people jumping out the windows of the twin towers from our classroom televisions.
I consider that to have been gruesome and disturbing enough. I don’t need to see something this visceral.
