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    My take away is that people are stupid and believe that someone playing a character that is said to be manly is the same as actually being manly.

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      By the typical and stupid societal definition of the word manly, he does fit. Not only the visual depiction of it, but also the fact that he goes out and builds his own furniture and a variety of other hobbies. Also, I want him inside of me.

      The problem is that this societal definition of the word manly is stupid, because it’s limiting to every single person involved and sexist garbage.

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        Not only THEIR definition of “manly”, strong, skilled, capable, he is also MY definition of manly, Compassionate, Empathetic, introspective, and excited to learn.

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        That’s why I wrote “is said to be manly” and not “is manly”. People not only don’t realize it’s just a character, they also don’t questions the stereotype.

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          Just a personal caveat. Like this dude is the sexiest human being alive in my opinion… Bam. I grew ovaries and they exploded.

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            He would rail you while gently explaining boat design and sharpening a chisel. Mustache whimsicaly bristling in the breeze of his warm breath. “mmm, I think I’ve just had an orgasm. Now this is how you properly secure a mooring knot”

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      To be fair… Many of Ron’s wooden furniture pieces were things Nick had been working on in his shop at the time of shooting…

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      The problem is the Western and now global conception of masculinity is broken (for many reasons) with social media acting as an accelerant.

      At some point Stoicism got bastardized into being emotionless and that got imbued into Western masculinity also.

      We’re going to have to go back to actively teaching boys how to be men if we want to course correct (rather than having Rogan or Peterson teach them).

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    I choose to read this as him being from a family so gloriously manly that he’s the dainty one of the bunch. Even though his sisters could beat the snot out of him, they’re true gentlemen who adore their brother and employ violence only in appropriate contexts.

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    Reminds me of an interview done with Gabriel Macht, who plays Harvey Specter on Suits. He talks about how Harvey is the polar opposite person to him, he went to drama school, Harvey is ruthless, slick, ultra competitive, and conniving.

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    So he learned it to feel some sense of masculinity after growing up feeling emasculated by his family?

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    Growing a moustache is pure genetic luck, and you can learn how to swing a hammer in about thirty seconds.

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      you can learn how to swing a hammer in about thirty seconds

      You cant downplay hammer skills, though. There is almost no skill ceiling with hammers. Put any blacksmith up against an amateur, and you’ll quickly see the difference between 30 seconds of training and 30 years.

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        Watched a video on these old Dutch guys, house framers. Apparently they’re kinda famous. I’ll never forget the dude casually walking along the roof and slamming 5" nails with a single stroke, one after the other like a machine. I’ve tried and tried, can’t even do it with a 3" nail.

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        Plus, it’s not obvious to even otherwise capable people how best to use one. My BIL is a generally pretty smart guy, but my sister had to show him how to use a hammer after they got married (he wanted control of his swing and didn’t trust himself, so he was holding it right up against the head(

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        I’ll absolutely grant that hammering is a skill that can be improved upon and that a skilled hammerer is quite the thing to behold. I think of the times I’ve seen experienced blacksmiths banging away for hours with forearms that look like Popeye’s, barely breaking a sweat. So yes, there’s a skill tree to be developed.

        That said… a lot of people seem to have an idea that using tools, or even more broadly the inherent strength of their own bodies, is somehow beyond their ability, and a lot of the time that’s just beginners’ jitters. Absent of a particular physical limitation, most people probably can learn how to effectively use a hammer (or a hand saw, or a screw gun, or a crow bar, or any number of useful items) within a couple minutes. It’s our collective mistake for teaching people that they haven’t got ready access to those skills and strengths.

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          The trick for hand saws is sharp blades and patience. Don’t rush it. If you put it where you want it and have patience, most things practically cut themselves (save for something like a tree). If your blade is dull, you’re more likely to make a mistake.

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          Generally, most of the tools in the house are considered “mine”, and yes I do often break out in a dry sweat when my wife wants to borrow them.

          This isn’t because I don’t think she could learn to use them, but rather because the only time she picks them up is when she’s in “get it done” mode in which case a fuck up is costly in terms of time and money to fix… we me usually being the one to fix it. I’m pretty sure she similarly shudders when I grab a needle and thread from her office. We have a truce on laundry and dishes.

          Thing is, I’ve got a shop full of bits and pieces where I fucked something up. BUT, I generally fucked it up on the inexpensive test projects until I was happy I could do a reasonable job, or where the cost of failure was just generally not too high. I don’t believe that my wife couldn’t similarly become a good carpenter or whatever, but rather experience says that she doesn’t have the interest of patience in learning to do so.

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        Also the smith will still be hitting their target after a few hours of constant hammering. An amateur is gonna lose their accuracy within the first hour.

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          When we were doing our time for our Habitat for Humanity house, my ex-wife and I framed houses on two different days. Within an hour, my arm was numb and I couldn’t hit shit.

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          I just redid my bathroom. I could go 30 mins tops swinging a 3 pound hammer before I was done for the day.

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            I recently rebuilt a big chunk of the interior of my house. I used to be good with a framing hammer but osteoarthritis has left me able to do maybe 4 or 5 swings with it. Fortunately, I discovered decking screws for this project. I just feel sorry for anybody that has to demo this shit in the future.

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        The trick is to look at the nail and not your fingers. If you look at your fingers so you don’t hit them, you’ll hit them.

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        I remember an episode of Little House on the Prairie from my childhood. Pa has to get a job at the quarry, and he and a buddy are put to work drilling holes in the rock with a long metal spike and a sledgehammer. One of them has to hold the spike in place while the other bangs on it with the sledge. How the spike holder still had any fingers attached at the end of the day is beyond me. That shit traumatized me.