This is not slop, this is political
misinformationdisinformation. Call it what it is.Slop is annoying, but it’s just AI generated spam. This is much more purposeful and insidious. The tools you used to make it are irrelevant.
It’s both. Slop can be meaningless drivel or deliberate misinformation.
Disinformation. Misinformation is when it’s unintentional.
Right, that’s more accurate.
As much as I hate to use this term because of the most prominent person associated with it:
This literally is an infowar, this is an actual psyop.
Targetted and fairly convincing mis and disinformation deployed at exactly the moment it would generate the most chaos and distrust in your own ability to evaluate reality?
Yeah. Yeah.
Thats a psyop, that is what an actual psyop is.
If they can take something like “woke” and use it to mean something bad, we can take infowars and use it for something good (and correct/accurate). Make that usage of the word the default when people hear it, not the other thing.
Misinformation is too nice of a word.
Yup. Seems quite ragebaity.
hence disinformation, which intentional form of misinformation designed to manipulate the views of the viewers/ or in other situations to give false info to illicit a certain response. misinformation is just ignorant false info being presented with no malice. alot of news media confuse between the 2, when in fact it almost always disinformation.
Say it ain’t so! Not James Woods! Fuck, this time line sucks…I want a different one 😤
Maybe I’ll regret asking, but what could “haiku-level brilliant” even mean?
Typical MAGA astonishment at 17 syllables.
I want off this ride.
Ok, so why do they utilize these tools and the left cries about it.
I’ve said this for a while. The hate of AI on lemmy was encouraged by Astro turfing methods. This way leftist who usually are at the cutting edge of things instead knee cap themselves on a technology that acts as a force multiplayer. They will use this and advance. We will bitch and moan. The end result will be that they gain more and we don’t. So you can be upset and you can cry and hate this or me for pointing this out. That will never change the outcome. Your feelings don’t matter. What matters is outcomes right now. It matters what will get people to vote when it’s time. if you concede tools that help you reach eyes and ears of voters, be ready for consequences.
Lemmy’s daily active user numbers are not big enough to be a worthwhile astroturfing target.
The real reason people shit on AI here is because it’s a platform with a bias toward people who are fairly tech savvy and or work in a technology field. Which is why every 3rd technology post here is a Linux circle jerk.
A lot of users here understand the technologies and are working in spaces where they’re being asking to “implement AI” by idiots who don’t understand the tech and aren’t trying to solve a user problem.
I have seen this recently pretty often that people seem to believe Lemmy is an equal representation of the real world. It’s probably one of the more niche media platforms, though. I come here because I enjoy every third Linux post. I also know that I have to go out of my way to find someone who has even heard of Steam, let alone a Steam Deck in the real world.
It 100% is perfect for astroturf. It’s the perfect size for it. Large population need more money and effort to afford astroturf. Lemmy is the right amount then you let the Lemmy users generate more content for you.
We all saw this with Reddit. They always started with smaller city subs before moving to bigger ones. Always
Nah, it wasn’t astroturfed. Current gen AI is little more than automated theft ATM. A lot of artists had their work stolen with no compensation. And now have an even tougher time ahead, competing with the thieves than they already had before. A lot of the angst and hate has been knee-jerk and lacking nuance. Doing as much to alienate people from their cause as bring them to it. But it’s real.
What’s equally absurd however. Are those that naively think we could use AI against those already using it. They’re building farms that consume more power than major cities. With more compute than even large groups of average individuals will ever be able to muster. It doesn’t matter how much of a force multiplier it is. 10x return on a force of 10,000,000 is exponentially more return than a 500x increase on a force of 100.
Ai may just be a tool, but it’s not going to turn the tide in favor of the left.
Yea of course, that’s what all the headlines were shared kept trying us everyday multiple times a day. They told us they would take our jobs, they’d assault our women and children, they threatened our way of life. Familiar
‘AI is an immigrant’ is a wild fucking take.
Is it? Can you show me that the AI headlines and hype on Lemmy is different from NY Post website’s approach to immigrants?
Same coin different faces. If you told a republican that they bought into anti immigration astro turfing what would that tell you?
We gain by generating counter-slop? Wtf are you on about.
Anybody with a half a braincell can see the detrimental impact AI is having on social media & internet content generally. It’s not astro turfing, it’s just constantly dealing with generated nonsense that’s causing the hate.
People who are more susceptible to manipulation, which unfortunately seems to be right-leaning folks, seem to fall victim into believing & spreading it the most. They rarely do any form of fact checking.
Everybody is susceptible to manipulation. Are you crazy. Who do you think you are. It’s basic shit here. You need to push a singular message through repetition and people adopt it every time. The left are so ignorant to basics which is why everybody and their grandma knows about cat litter boxes rather than the arguments against it. This era of leftist are absolutely outclassed by a mile.
Yeah, why would people not want to use lies and misinformation to promote their side. It truly boggles the mind that anyone could value truth, honesty and integrity.
Is your goal to be truthful or not labeled a terrorist and put into a camp. Take your pick. Truth is subjective.
Truth is absolute. There is no such thing as “subjective truth” or “personal truth”.
Something is either true or it isn’t.
You’re wrong, entirely. There’s an absolute truth but we never get to use that. We can only ever use subjective truth. That’s the whole point of the allegory of the cave. The absolute truth is blinding. And your desire to win an argument is creating a subjective truth that is blinding you to something that is critical to understand why they are winning in this era and the left is losing.
Metaphysical nonsense is not a good argument.
It’s very literally the argument. Again your truth and mine don’t align on that which is more proof
Belief in nonsense is called “delusion”. So you go ahead and continue being delusional.
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Give me a truth. I bet it’ll be subjective.
The sun exists.
How do you know. If I tell you it doesn’t exist how do you prove it. You can say we see it. And I can tell show you illusions or examples of how we hallucinate or theories and simulations. There is a Truth no doubt. But we deal with truths always.
Whether truth exists is a different question from whether we one can prove it.
However, we know the sun exists because of its effects on us. Light, heat, gravity.
The multiple independent effects which can be experienced all around the world, reliably and consistently.
Why can’t I want both things?
I think it’s pretty obvious why people would be upset about a propaganda machine being used by a government to demonize its political enemies and voting base? The Iraq War started over less false pretenses, and look how that rolled out. The damage produced by this lying machine will be unimaginable.
Cool, it’s super important to be aware how getting punched will affect you while getting punched. Just don’t punch back because that isn’t what we’re about. In the end we win somehow. Maybe they’ll break their first on our head I dunno.
How much water and electricity does it take to punch someone?
Depends if you’re in their labor camp or not. There’s a time and place for everything. Why be concerned about the environment if creates an environment where the people who will outpace you will destroy it anyways. You’re not saving anything by letting them seize power
They utilize these tools because they have no morals. They are willing to lie and cheat their way into whatever they want.
The left does not have that advantage. We don’t want to lie, we don’t want to cheat, we want the liars and cheaters to be removed from power. Lying harder isn’t going to work for us because unlike the right, we will call out our own for it.
Yea sure the left are morally superior obviously. Not weak and ineffective. Morally superior
Same thing unfortunately. No honor in a real fight.
Right which is my point. But why does the left fall on their own sword. They have all the ability. If we truly believe the left have more people, that Gerry mandering is needed because most people lean left. Then it should be a no brainer than the left needs to activate a fire under each other to overwhelm spaces. But we do the opposite. We retreat. The only conclusions I can think of when I read between the lines is that we were targeted by right wing astro turfing as much as the right was. Or we’re just not smart people as a whole and it’s actually maybe a good thing we’re being backed into our corners
I think part of the issue is that people on the left also tend to see nuances, which means more things to disagree over. Left falls out, right falls in line and all.
https://files.catbox.moe/7qaw0m.mp4
Ya, I don’t really get the hate either. It’s just a fun new way to make memes. I feel like most are blowing things out of proportion because the media is telling them to.
Yeah, this person’s right! We should start making inflammatory AI videos, too! Dump that whole tanker ship in the fire, fuck it!
No. I am sorry, but no. The hate on Lemmy is not against AI as a technology, it is against how it is being used, how it is being peddled, how it is being shoved down everyone’s throats, and how much damage it’s doing to our environment (edit: and society, and art, and culture, and politics, and economy, and wellness, and overall desire to maintain a steady heartbeat!)
And, to your point about feelings not mattering, from what I’ve seen, most people (including myself) are exhausted! We are surrounded by people losing their shit left and right, bigotry, racism, hate in general are mainstream, Fascism is out, about, and in power, and it looks like we’re all forgetting that the planet is literally burning up again.
We are tired. Most of us have already been through enough shit as it is, we would want nothing more than to see the end of this string of “once in a lifetime” disasters, yet we understand that the easy way out means we’ll end up becoming exactly what’s ruining our lives right now. This isn’t just about winning, HOW we win is equally important, if not more so. Because that will set the tone for what would follow.
Not to mention that the bullshit in AI videos made by the left would absolutely get called out in every propaganda outfit on the right. It would just give them more ammo (without the usual lies).
But even more important, it will grant legitimacy to everyone who responds to damning video evidence by claiming it was AI. We don’t need to make shit up, the reality is already horrifying. All AI will do is make it harder for people to believe their own eyes.
Enslaved with honor is still enslaved.
Oh, I said nothing about honour! There’s being nice, and there’s being fair. I’m more for being fair than being nice, and as I see it, it’s fair to hit back. The difference is in the nuance of how I hit back. Why eliminate when immobilise would suffice, y’know?
It’s absolutely exhausting knowing how much potential humans have to do great things, but having to watch humanity choose to destroy themselves instead.
In all ways imaginable, especially emotional. I’ve seen some sad shit in my life, but this overall bend toward mindless self-annihilation our species seems to have is by far the saddest…
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They 100% are. There’s no doubt
Manufacturing consent 3.0
Trump supporters making shit up and constantly lying?
next you’re gonna tell me the sky is blue
Well, sometimes, it’s white, red, or black.
What’s wild about this is that people predicted AI would be used for nefarious purposes, but generally in the form of like, showing your opponents doing crimes. But here it’s being used to show their own side doing crimes while the other side is only made to look “cringy” or more like a stereotype.
It really speaks to the utter depravity of the US right that, given a machine that can generate any video of anything they could imagine, this is what they do. These people are utterly incompatible with any kind of free or even functional society, and I really don’t know what could ever be done fix them or their culture.
If they instead made convincing AI generated videos of some imaginary leftists going first and starting a revolution, then it might not have the intended effect.
hold up. so now we don’t even have to do anything for this this to escalate?
I mean…if I’m gonna get blamed for cheating I might as well cheat, you know?
Yeah? Kinda the point. Like absolutely nothing was happening in Portland. Nothing at all. But trump sent troops anyway because Portland is such a hellhole. Now there’s protests, but they seem to be far more entertaining and mocking than anything else.
Lenin dreamt of this kind of propaganda power.
I never have to wonder what the Nazis in Germany would have done with modern technology. I wish I didn’t know.
Human psychology is the same no matter the tech.
It just makes it easier.
And deadlier.
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I see people daily due to living in a city and it only makes me hate them more.
But equally of course!
Right! Living in a city grows your disdain for all of humanity. But not any particular race.
It’s not just the city. I’ve moved to two small villages that are louder and more obnoxious than the city. It’s our culture and the devaluation of humanity.
Yeah, true, I’m not racist and I think being in multicultural environments since childhood was basically what did it, international boarding school, city with big international population, etc.
So we’ve achieved Barefoot In The Head sans drugs.
AI propaganda slop aside, fucking rise up already… FFS
can’t, watching football, eating Jack Link’s
Go away, baitin.
Pretty sure Trump will need to start the war.
Muricans are all talk.
I feel like AI generated videos of very active things like protests would be easy to debunk. Just look at the people in the background and point out the people disappearing after moving behind another person, or look for changing faces.
Doesn’t matter how easy it is to debunk. I assume you were around for COVID and Trump’s first term?
In the article they mention videos with literal AI watermarks being passed around as if they were real. The targets want to believe they are true and will ignore anyone debunking them.
I’m saying it again: We can’t know what’s true anymore. Whenever something happens more than a few miles away, chances are high that you know nobody who was involved there physically, so there’s no reliable way of knowing what actually happened anymore.
I think we can only make reasonable choices about things that are close enough to ourselves; not about very far-away entities.
I’m pretty sure that dancing frog was real. It has soul.
If you record a video on your phone, is there no Metadata to help verify its validity? Gotta be something we can do about this.
There are forensic fingerprints that match a video to an image sensor. Maybe they could be faked by a sophisticated actor but let’s be honest: the people watching these videos aren’t checking that closely.
I have no way to know whether the USA really exists.
it’s real because nobody could make up so much bullshit
Idk have you read Ayn Rand
