Allow me to modify an old saying:
If you can’t say something nice about someone , without lying, then you shouldn’t say anything at all.
You can’t say anything nice about Dick Cheney without lying so just shut up.
He was one of the few high-profile Republicans willing to stand by his condemnation of Trump after January 6th, even when the party came crawling back and that stance became a huge liability for him and his daughter. I can respect that.
Yeah. And Hitler liked his dog. Definitely peoples-is-peoples kind of things but if i was a global political figure i might err on the side of quiet for some sentiments.
Trump’s gonna bite it one of these days and when he does, any self-conscious politician who hopes to win office with a progressive bent better watch their fuckin p’s and q’s.
Democrats are mostly reasonable, and responsible, but as in the last forty years, there’s an opportunity to destroy fascists (like Cheney) and the more they ignore it the more they lose. It’s a fine line, to be sure, between “responsible tomorrow / better jobs” and “BLOOOOOOOD!!!”. But they need to have thought that through again because their consultants are old and broken.
Justice and Politics need to sort their shit out yesterday.
Hitler didn’t actually like his dog. Or… it’s complicated. He threatened to kill Blondi because someone else played with her, he would beat all his dogs or hit them with a riding whip when they were disobedient (he said “it was necessary”), and when he decided to kill himself with cyanide, he told the doctor to test the cyanide first on Blondi. She died.
He did seem like he emotionally enjoyed being with his dogs, but he was too much of a psychopath to really have a normal human-to-dog relationship with them or to give them actual affection in return. The whole thing of him being a dog lover was mostly Nazi propaganda.
Yeah okay well he was gakked to the gills for a few years there so yknow. But he killed himself . . . they say . . . right afterwards so i like to think he thought he was taking his dog with him. Although yeah a complete nutter and history’s greatest monster.
(Recent history’s greatest monster? Ok nerds, I hear you shifting uncomfortably, wanting to tell everyone about Stalin, Pol Pot, Napoleon etc etc. Just relax. )
Not doing one out 1000 horrible things is not worthy of respect.
In fact, opposing it fits Cheney’s character because his entire evil persona was based on getting everyone else to do his evil bidding within the working government. Someone trying to overthrow a system he manipulated was a personal attack by Trump. Cheney didn’t oppose it out of his love for America or anything, he opposed it because it undermined his life’s work and he took it personally.
Well it might have been two things.
The nice thing is that he can’t do any more harm now.
So Abe Lincoln was going to put Simon Cameron in his cabinet. Cameron was kind of a piece of shit, and so Thaddeus Stevens when he heard this got alarmed. When questioned about if he was really saying that Cameron would steal, Thaddeus Stevens thought for a minute and said, well, “I don’t think he would steal a red-hot stove.”
So the story got around because it is funny. Abe Lincoln in particular thought it was one of the funniest things he ever heard (also while he made Cameron Secretary of War) and told many people. So eventually of course it got back to Cameron. Cameron was pissed, and angrily demanded that Stevens take back the slur on his character.
So Thaddeus Stevens after Cameron had yelled at him said, “Well, he is very mad, and he made me promise to retract. I will now do so. I believe I told you he would not steal a red-hot stove. I now take that back.”
Who says that’s not her true opinion?
She did very openly get close to the Cheney familiy during her presidential campaign, so she might very well think that according to her own values he had done nothing wrong.
It seems to me that one of the core problems of the Democrat Party leadership which has led to their candidate being defeated once again by none other than Donald “Sex Offender” Trump, is exactly that their values are pretty much compatible with Cheney’s.
Could be lip service; like a superficial gesture to retain some basic standing in the political sphere. Idk why this should be a big deal to anyone.
She’s still playing that “let’s meet in the middle” charade that didn’t do shit for her during her campaign?
A true believer
Right when seeing a smashing victory by a progressive candidate too. Truly unaccountable
She accepted his endorsement. She made it clear who she was.
Both sides.
Another bitch that only got my vote because of the shit sandwich we had to eat.
And they wonder why they lost??
Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.
It’s funny how she unwittingly sealed her own fate, and she doesn’t know it.
Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.
Weakness requires far too much benefit of the doubt. It’s complicity.
This is a wild thread. Kamala understands decorum and professionalism.
Politics without is just a fuckin’ schoolyard fistfight, and we’ve had too much of that.
Democracy is about being able to have differences in opinion but still be neighbors.
The professional and appropriate response was to say nothing, not blow smoke up people’s ass.
Harris is just part of the same political machine as all the other old men.
all she had to say was “condolences to the family”… instead of lifting him up like he was some sort of good thing for society. He was a war criminal. Should’ve been tried in The Hague and should’ve rotted in jail.
I don’t want to be neighbors with war criminals. The reason we are where we are today is because of collaborators like Harris white-washing the crimes of terrorists like Cheney.
Hmm yes. Would you like me to post what she said when Sinwar died?
Politics without is just a fuckin’ schoolyard fistfight, and we’ve had too much of that.
No, we haven’t actually. What we’ve had too much of is the bullies pushing around the brown kid because he looks different (which in this analogy of course refers to the mass slaughter of civilians), with one of the two bullies occasionally showing some sign of reluctance or concern that they might get in trouble for it, and then caving and appeasing the other bully when they make fun of them for it.
What “fistfights” are you even talking about? When have the democrats ever actually (metaphorically) thrown hands, or not bent over backwards to appease the republicans, even to the point of going after minorities? The shutdown is the first time I can remember in the past 20 years that they actually showed an ounce of spine.
I would love to start seeing some political fistfights instead of having this “harmony” or “cooperation” between the two bullies.
Weird you get downvoted. All the negative commentators here are part of the problem.
Democracy is about being able to have differences in opinion but still be neighbors.
Most privileged lib take.
No, it’s an educated take. Anything else is probably not an environment you want to live in unless you find yourself inside the privilege party.
Humans will always have vast differences in opinion, that’s the whole point of the USA.
I hope one day you get to be on the receiving end of some of the “differences of opinion” Cheney held. (Not really, no one deserves the things he did to millions of people)
Cheney being a war criminal isn’t a matter of opinion. Same goes for human rights.
We are in a fist fight and Democrats want to get our faces kicked in with decorum and professionalism.
War crimes and murder are business as usual in the US. The sad thing is that he died without seeing the inside of a cell.
This shit is how she lost to the fascist orangutan.
She’d already clinched her loss before she started chumming up to Cheneys, I think.
Nah, her campaign page was amazing: tax the rich, expand healthcare, promote overturning citizens united, bodily autonomy, the works.
She lost because nobody believed a single word of it when she hung out with the worst campaign team imaginable for those stances, participating in advertisements with fucking eagles and open prairies.
As someone who has no stakes in this, is this what people meant when they described her as “Obama 2.0”?
I’ve never heard her called that tbh. Obama was actually a pretty good politician who got the public to believe things could actually change for the better. They didn’t and he didn’t actually do that but he made people believe in it in a way Harris never did.
She showed class?
Praising war criminals is the opposite of class
I’m probably the minority here, but I appreciate the decorum. It lowers the temperature of the conversation without outright endorsing what he did.
For me, the time to be angry was when it was happening.
Decorum is a massive understatement. Democrats have a civility fetish. During a fascist descent, decorum and civility do nothing other than preserving the status quo. They are obsessed with procedure and elevate it almost to a godlike status. It’s also why theyve been losing so hard in recent years. Republicans have no problem employing rhetoric and breaking procedure. Democrats are consistently bringing knives to gun fights.
During a fascist descent, civility = disarmament.
Democrats are consistently bringing knives to gun fights.
Democrats are consistently bringing tea and cupcakes to gun fights.
Pritzger and Mamdani are winning with the public, and hopefully more candidates will see and follow in their footsteps. They are at least bringing knives and planning to do their level best. But how Chuck Schumer saw Pelosi’s husband get his skull fractured with a hammer and still came out saying “I think we can work out a compromise for the good of the country” and similar bullshit is baffling to me.
without outright endorsing what he did
Kamala saying that he was a great public servant is a spit in the face to the millions of people whose lives were lost and ruined by Dick Cheney’s ghoulish and murderous legacy. No civility with war criminals.
She could have expressed sympathy for the family without whitewashing his ‘accomplishments’.
Liz also campaigned on Harris’ behalf. It is possible they ate cordial and this is just her saying something nice about a friend’s dad after he passed.
I forgot about that. Good point.
Yeah, I get that. But at the same time, the whole reason I actually kind of like Liz Cheney is that as far as I can tell she has some integrity unlike her father.
She surely knows her dad’s a piece of shit. It’s almost more cruel to his memory to specifically call attention to everything he did in public political life so that people can laugh at you for lying about it in this over-the-top way. Just say he will be missed and your thoughts are with his family and move the fuck on.
It’s literally just a boiler plate acknowledging a current situation post.
Fucking hell you guys.
Ok, it’s not polite to pull a Donald (he would 100% write posts filled with joy if Biden dies before him), but silence it’s an option…
She was a fantastic choice when the choices were her and Trump. That time has passed, and with it her value as a lesser evil.
By more objective measures, she’s just another sack of shit.
She never was a fantastic choice, and the proof for that is that Trump is president. Had she been a fantastic choice, people would have voted for her. But sure, keep blaming all the voters for the Democrat inability to place someone remotely humane and electable instead of Ms. “We love Cheney and the US needs to have the most lethal armed forces in the world”.
It’s crazy to me that, after the resounding victory by a progressive that we’ve seen two days ago, you keep blaming the voters. As soon as someone remotely progressive appeared in an election, people went to vote for him in droves. Mamdani is a literal Muslim millennial, hardly the most appreciated demographic in the USA, and yet he smashed the opponents despite constant smear campaigns. Maybe there’s a lesson or two you could learn from that?
The blame for culpability in the Trump regime’s rise to power falls onto many different people and groups that absolutely includes the voters.
She was a fantastic choice -and here’s the important part- compared to Trump.
Without that contrast, she was shit. Our options were a spoonful of shit vs a mountain of shit. The DNC is responsible for running a spoonful of shit, but the voters are responsible for choosing the mountain.
Should the DNC run people who aren’t shit? YES. Please, yes. But that’s not what we got.
All the rights we’ve lost under Trump, the economic collapse he’s causing, the deaths he enthusiastically did nothing to prevent in Ukraine/Gaza, the families that have been torn apart by ICE… the voters could have stopped that. The voters chose to let it happen.
Is there a lesson to be learned here? Yeah. Several. Will that lesson actually stick where we need it to (to the DNC)? Lol fuck no. The DNC won’t learn shit until we break out the guillotines. But in the meantime, we the voters need to be more strategic with our resources, which includes decision making like deliberately stepping on a turd if that puts us on a path around the mountain of shit.
Turns out the lesser evil was evil. Who woulda thunk.
Correct. And lesser. Did your actions nudge the scale toward the lesser evil or the greater evil? Cuz if you had the opportunity to do the former and chose to do nothing over some ideal, your inaction supported the greater evil. Lots of people did just that, and the greater evil won.
We desperately need systemic change, but that’s not going to happen with a ballot - best we can do there is damage control, so do damage control. Do other shit too, but understand that your vote is a dichotomy.
I didn’t “do nothing over some ideal”. I voted for Jill Stein over some ideal. If more people had done that, we wouldn’t be in the current shitshow.
I didn’t “do nothing over some ideal”. I voted for Jill Stein over some ideal.
Reminds me of an old Red vs Blue skit.
“It’s not pink! It’s light red!!”
You had some measure of power to nudge the outcome away from Donald Trump, and you chose not to. That is synonymous with doing nothing. Now we have Donald Trump. You sure showed us!
