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It sounds like a bunch of Democrats want to cave in exchange for no concessions whatsoever. Edit: Bloomberg has more details
Current likely Democratic votes for this:
- Shaheen - NH
- Hassan - NH
- King - ME
- Fetterman - PA
- Peters - MI
- Durbin - IL
- Warner - VA
- Kaine - VA
- Ossoff- GA
- Warnock - GA
If you want to change things, you need to call their DC office NOW, and leave an email if you can’t.
Edit 2: enough Democrats joined the Republicans to reopen the government with no real concessions.
The list:
- Durbin
- Hassan
- King
- Cortez Masto
- Kaine
- Shaheen
- Rosen
- Fetterman
- Schumer
- Gillibrand
There was a caucus meeting right before this, so the bulk of the Senate Democrats were likely OK with giving in, even if not willing to vote for it in public
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Thanks for giving the GOP what they wanted, “lesser evil” members of Congress.
And I had hope they would keep the pressure on the fascists, silly me.
I knew they were controlled opposition but this is going above and beyond the call of duty.
They would support Senator Adam Sutler with taking the new position of High Chancellor if they could. Maybe they’ll talk about how awful it is that Chancellor Sutler will be taking charge, but they would cave.
Trump just walks into Congress, after a stroke:
The attack by the leftists has left me scared! We need to enable more powers to defeat the woke!
And Dems would write a stern letter while voting yes.
Jar Jar is a very fine representation of the democrats at the moment.
Fetterman looks more like Boss Nass
It’s no wonder dystopia / revolution fiction is on the rise.
Absolute fucking pussies.
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These people are unhinged militant centrists.
It may seem paradoxical, but it is actually possible to be an extreme centrist. The hard truth of American politics is that there are no actual centrist voters. You won’t find any significant number of people whose views largely lie right between the platforms of the two parties. What you have instead are voters whose views simply don’t align well with the existing party coalitions. Their views may still be extremely strong. Think someone that is extremely pro-choice while also owning a dozen AR-15s. Maybe they have a home in the Libertarian Party, but they have no real home in either major party. They believe passionately on both subjects, they are anything but moderate for both their support of abortion choice and guns. But because their views don’t map cleanly to one side or the other’s arbitrary grab bag of chosen issues, this voter is called a centrist. But they’re not really a centrist. They just have weak partisan alignment.
But people like these? They are actual militant centrists. In many way these politicians are the only true centrists in America. They have formed a worldview that concludes that the right answer to any single issue must lie right in the middle between the two sides. One side wants to raise taxes on the rich while the other wants to cut them? The obviously correct answer must be to keep the taxes steady. Trump wants to turn millions of legal immigrants into illegal immigrants and then deport them, while progressives want to deport no law-abiding person? The correct answer must be to brutalize merely a few thousand innocent people. Progressives want to protect trans rights while Republicans want to liquidate trans people in ovens? The obvious answer must be some roll back of trans civil rights.
People like Schumer, Fetterman, etc. are militant centrists. They will obsessively tack to the very middle of any issue. And this is fundamentally a purely ideological position, the same as any extremist. A militant racist is so committed to theories of racial superiority that they’ll want to see racist policies enacted, even if they hurt the country, even if they hurt the racist themselves, regardless of even if white people are hurt. A militant socialist might demand state ownership of every type of business and enterprise, even if there’s no market failure and private companies can run those things just fine. You would have to be a pretty extreme socialist to think that the government should be running bars for example.
This is the defining feature of extremism and militancy - a willingness to put one’s own ideology above everything else. All that matters is the ideology. It is correct with a capital C. It is truth with a capital T. Any evidence against the ideology is dismissed or explained away.
These people are not moderate. They are militant centrists. Pick an issue, no matter the context or the evidence clear for all to see. They will always tack right in the middle between the two sides. They believe, in their heart of hearts, that the middle path is always the correct one. And they don’t care how many people have to die to keep their cherished view of centrism preserved. They are as extreme and militant as any far-right militia member. They just follow the ideology of centrism rather than conservatism.
Saw this coming from a mile away.
Well fuck me, I was 2 miles away and saw this coming
Once again pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. All they had to do was literally nothing, but they couldn’t even be trusted to do that.
Schumer is the hand of satan himself.
He organized this whole thing, he got the votes, he set the agenda and then guess what he did at the last minute. Just fucking guess.
He voted against the continuing resolution and washed his hands of it so the accountability doesn’t land on him. He wanted his fat stack to spend on his gold-plated spectacles or coffin or whatever the fuck these ancient liches are planning on doing with all this wealth.
The thing too, is they didn’t lose anything, or… well better said that they were owed anything, they thought they had an opportunity to get something for free. The dems doing the shutdown didn’t lose anythings, just the huge part of the population that support them.(actually everyone)
You mean these Dems are in cahoots with the GOP. There’s no fucking reason why to back down now when the pressure is on unless their handlers are telling them to.
TBH I think they are weighing the pain to their constituents of losing ACA benefits, versus shutting down air travel and tens of millions of hungry families.
It’s pure evil but it’s MAGA
Yes, but caving will still continue the decline. There is nothing to gain unless they make a deal with something to gain.
Like ACA.
Even if your Democratic senator didn’t vote for this, call them up and call them out for allowing the spinless democrats to once again get fucked by Republicans for nothing.
But they are not the same trust me bro. It is not all performative politics with no real impact. Democrats will save us trust me bro. One more lawsuit bro. One more vote and we defeat facism I promise.
I emailed mine last week, begging them to hold the line. As usual, spineless fucking cowards.
As I always say, they are the same party. The shutdown was just for show.
Fuck this shit pathetic
I can’t take this anymore. I’m fucking done. Fuck these traders. Fuck my fucking dumbass fucking neighbors. Fuck my fucking asshole family. Fuck all these people. Fuck New Hampshire with the biggest fucking dildo ever Fuck you New Hampshire Fuck you New Hampshire Fuck you New Hampshire
You want lots of things fucked, huh. Hate is the side of suffering, dont travel that path far.
I don’t understand what the calculation was here. People were hurting, but a whole lot more people are going to hurt without health insurance come next year. They got:
- a vote on healthcare extension in December: almost certain to fail and even if succeeding, open enrollment ends 12/15. So you’d potentially be making people gamble thousands of dollars per month that this unlikely vote succeeds and effects them immediately
- written into the law that federal employees get back pay - which is already federal law
- reverses lay offs that occurred during the shut down - which were illegal
- it only funds the government through January. So we’re going to be right back in this situation. And then what - we tell these poor SNAP recipients, “oh sorry, we’re going to need you to go though this whole thing again because we wanted to make sure people could fly home for thanksgiving.”
Hard to imagine a moderate winning a national primary after this. And what the hell is the republican answer for why it was so important that people not get slightly more affordable healthcare that it was worth starving people.
I hope that at the least, the re-establishment of SNAP will be quick.
And what the hell is the republican answer for why it was so important that people not get slightly more affordable healthcare that it was worth starving people.
Immigrants. It was always immigrants. They repeatedly blamed it on immigrants “stealing” tax payer money thru ACA even tho that’s not really possible except for extreme circumstances that typically account for less than 1% of the funding for the program.
Immigrants. It was always immigrants.
That was the cover story, they are just continuing to milk Trump’s base for mandate to empty the coffers. There was a lot of money in the ACA tax credits.
I’m sure though that they’re going to put that reallocated money to good use for families. Sure of it. Any day now.
Surely they know that’s not true though (even if they won’t admit it publicly). I just don’t see what the real human rational is. Cut money so you can give more tax breaks to the wealthy? Like how can someone be so callous. How do you justify that to yourself?
The rich ones don’t see us as humans and the poor ones like the idea of people they don’t like suffering even if they have to suffer, too.
There’s your rationale.
They believe the “proper” stewards of society are the wealthy. In order for the wealthy to make the best of things, they need that money, so low taxes.
But the wealthy need something else, a desperate working class that will do anything the wealthy says just so they can eat and have some chance at things like decent healthcare. One of their favorite refrains is “nobody wants to work anymore”, and in part they blame government assistance for this perceived lack of workers or workers that are so uppity as to demand a living wage.
Of course desperate people can do something other than nicely do the things the wealthy tell them to. So that’s where “law and order” principles come in. Make a big authoritarian police force to discourage the more dangerous path that mass desperation can cause.
I hope that at the least, the re-establishment of SNAP will be quick.
uhhhh. I guess we’ll see. You’re more optimistic than some of us.
This was just a blatant act against the American people by people who’s motivation is money and power and the self-delusion thinking they’re doing more good than harm by preserving the status-quo of letting Republicans shit all over our nation.
SNAPs benefits max out around 300 bucks a month for an average family.
The healthcare premiums that these same families are likely relying on will go up between that much and a thousand goddamn dollars a month, or more. I’m already being told by my company that premiums will go up $1000 more by January. What are they supposed to do if they need insulin or other drugs? This is evil, this is an act of hatred against every family and taxpayer. Countless people are going to die because of Schumer and his cronies.
Hey yall. Does anyone know where these people live?
Because i would like to greet them.
I hate the Democrats so so much. They never fight. Every time it looks like they might fight, it turns out that they’re not fighting. Their relentless cowardice is why we have trump and the fascists dismantling everything and hurting people.
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Mods are cowards for removing this. Civility is what got us into fascism.
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You weren’t being kind to start with, so golden rule.
Are “The Far Left” in the room with us now?
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I read the room, mate.
So do you think the Democrats giving the GOP what they wanted was a good thing here?
They are just rooting for their “team” like a good two party system enjoyer.
Man. Every day, I see less and less difference between the fat left and MAGA.
Probably need to get your lenses checked, because how you took that comment speaks a lot to how you see things and it sounds like you need a new prescription. This is a post about Democrats caving to the GOP once again, so the comment fits the context.
Are they wrong in stating that the cowardice and unwillingness of Democrats to put up a real fight for the average person paved the way for not one but two Trump presidencies? Trump is a symptom.
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Alright, enjoy demonizing your allies because your views are so binary. You’re just as much of a hindrance to the leftist movement as the people you complain about.
I’m not sure how to simplify it further for you. It’s not the fault of the Democrats, but they’re partially responsible. It’s entirely fair to call them out for doing it again.
If someone comes to your door and says “let me in I’m going to rob you”, and you say “no” but don’t close the door, lock the door, or do anything to stop them (similar to the performative opposition we see from the Democrats) do you bare no responsibility for the outcome? Sure, you’re not the robber, but you were warned and didn’t do anything.
You seem to think criticism of the Democrats = someone saying they’re Fascists just like the Republicans. Sure, that idea is out there, but now you’re just painting everybody with that brush. You and MAGA seem to share more similarities than you think.
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Narrator: Not literally, but expected to be taken as such.
If you don’t see the difference then you’re operating on vibes rather than substance.
They’re to the right of Biden, so anyone who wants the Democrats to fight the GOP it’s actually a secret double agent for the GOP.
“Vote for the lesser evil”
But why vote for the lesser evil if the lesser evil will vote with the greater evil anyway?
Slightly better PR and the color blue.
I don’t know about “better PR” these days, this is pathetic.
Well you get a different army of brainwashed masses defending them, using more complex words a Republican would never use because it’s above the 6th grade reading level.
Well at least the shit in that case is verbose.
Vote in the primaries. Get involved in local politics and find out who actually wants to help people, has good ideas, and has a proven track record in their community.
Elect the good leaders in your kid’s PTO to the school board. Get to know your local scout council (both boy scouts and girl scouts), elect them to your city council. Follow your school board, city and county council, see what they are doing, who is actually helping the community with good ideas, and then send them to the state house, demand they continue to fight for the people. The good ones in your state house should go to the Capitol for no more than 3 terms, then they can come back to the state house to be the local senior leaders.
The problem is, no one does that first part where they pay attention to the local stuff, demanding local change and building local leaders and helping to ensure our candidates aren’t evil.
As sad as it sounds, the race for President doesn’t seem to have the greatest impact on American lives.
The Democratic Primaries are where people should be focusing their efforts.
democrats will just move the goal posts in the primaries or run an additional 15 establishment candidates to split the vote and ensure nobody but the establishment ever wins. It’s what they did to bernie.
they say not to vote 3rd party because it will “split the vote” but it’s just projection. It’s what they would do.
It’s why Cuomo ran as an independent when he didn’t win the nomination, and most were unwilling to back the actual nominee until the day of the election.
They will ratfuck you then wonder why no one likes them.
Not just the primaries! My city is pretty purple. We tend to vote republican by a slim majority in larger races (think 51/49), but in the mayor and city council race that just happened, the republican mayor won at like 66/33. Vote every chance or you cede your power to the people who do.
The fix is to start local. Bob’s right: that school PTO experience will be on the candidate’s bio when they run for mayor, even if they are the karen-est karen, and it will sway a few people. That ® mayor has power over a huge amount of how the city is run and many of the things people are locally unhappy with are a direct result of them electing a rich asshole. If we elect Dems locally, we might be able to sway people to our side when the situation gets better under our leadership.
We individuals have the power but it’s got a bit of a lag-time to it. Become informed about how the DNC structure works (best done by joining your local precinct, even if you do nothing more than joining a few meetings). The precincts vote for who runs the county, the counties vote for who runs the state, the states vote for the nation and it’s all based on head-count of participants: a large precinct by population might only have a relative few people engaged and will not have as large an impact when voting in upstream elections. If we’re mad at DNC leadership or the options we have for congress/president, the fix is to ensure people at the precinct-level are the right ones.
This comment is a direct response to anyone saying “both sides”, “dem’s are still corporate shills”, or similar defeatist comments. The “spineless dems” currently have power at the top of the party, but we can fix that. It will take work. It will require time, and that time will be hard to justify with little immediate result. This is the battle we need to fight right now, though. It just needs to be constant and not only complaining online and voting every 2-4 years.
I get it. But this is a handful of senators. Everyone else said no. House Democrats are vowing to say no, even Jeffries.
They don’t need House Democrats to pass any legislation. They did need Senate Democrats.
My point isn’t passing the legislation, it’s that most Democrats seem to be opposed to this. Most Senate Democrats flipped out when they learned about this secret deal, and Jeffries issued a preemptive statement. It could all be an act (particularly Jeffries), but I do suspect a lot of them really are just as pissed as we are.
Pissed does not help your joke of a nation. This was surrender, and now this administration will push harder.
Any deal that doesn’t put everything in one bill is worthless.
Let’s pretend for one moment that Republicans actually joined Democrats in passing the extension of ACA credits and any other concessions they got in the negotiations. Even if they passed the bill, Trump can just veto it. As long as he gets what he needs in a separate bill, he can veto anything else. And if there’s enough support for the compromise to overturn a veto, there’s enough to prevent it by passing it all as one bill.
But I’m sure Schumer will happily explain how Republicans voting against the ACA credits will be on their permanent record and how that will make this all worthwhile.
These spineless Democrats do not need to cave. The GOP can end the shutdown anytime they want.
Moderate Democrats know the filibuster is a powerful tool for stopping progressive legislation, and if Republicans nuke it to end the shutdown, they have one less excuse.
The GOP can remove the filibuster and the DNC can put it back in the second they’re back in power. It has no value to the DNC right now if they cave.
🤣 This would be such a DNC thing to do.
Republicans remove the filibuster and ram through a bunch of vile shit.
People revolt and vote in Democrats.
Democrats, citing the need for decorum and bi-partisanship put back the filibuster.
Republicans block any progress on anything useful.
People are mad and vote in Republicans.
And round and round we go…
Or rather, a Democratic majority Congress could USE that power to fix some things, and then shelve it.
Would they actually do that? X•doubt
People are acting like it’s total capitulation. It’s not. Per NYT :
The spending package would, however, reject some of Mr. Trump’s spending proposals. While he has moved to eliminate the Food for Peace program, which sends surplus American crops to communities around the world that are experiencing famine and starvation, the bill would provide $1.2 billion for the program, which many Republicans hailing from farm states have championed.
It’s absolutely 1000% unacceptable unless the Republicans get nothing they’ve tried to extort and make some additional concessions on top of it. That’s what a compromise is, not letting the fucking thieves and saboteurs get away with half their goddamn crimes!
Trans people lose ALL their healthcare. For my family, these democrats helped the GOP kill them. These concessions are WORSE THAN NOTHING
