People are so stubborn that they’re still using Twitter lol. It’ll be many years before anything overtakes Reddit, I just hope it’s decentralized
I don’t need anything to overtake Reddit. We don’t need one platform to rule them all. I like our small corner of the internet. I like it to grow slow and organically. And it’s already decentralized.
I like it too, but it would be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as
on the other hand i’m okay with all the superhero movie kids staying on reddit.
Superhero movie kids aren’t on Reddit, they’re on Instagram or Tiktok
oh, they were on reddit back when i left it, then.
To be fair, I’m the main sustaining poster of television@piefed.social and I hate superhero stuff.
This is what they mean when they say no active users. Effectively, there are no active users. (And yes, the problem would be solved with more active users but for anyone who makes the plunge, they come to a fairly barren alternative.)
You open !asklemmy@lemmy.world and find random threads by all types of people, on all types of topics
Absolutely, there are some communities that have some users.
But in anything, even not so niche, its a ghost town. Half of Canada just watched baseball playoffs and even in the final round, the game threads had maybe 3 people.
I don’t think denying the reality of a new user’s experience is helpful. It’s a frustrating and solveable reality (much like our economic problems) but approaching them clear eyes seems the best approach.
You’re talking to someone who’s active on !football@sopuli.xyz , the most popular game on the planet, and where nobody really discussed the Euro final, one of the most prestigious tournaments worldwide.
Everybody is aware that there are topics where we miss people. I say it several times in this thread were people say they are happy with our current population.
I’m not, which is why the community we’re in exists, its sole purpose is to get more people here.
All of that being said, it’s still an unfair assessment to say that there are no users. It’s frustrating, and that’s why I posted it here.
To each their own! I think, especially to someone on reddit, we effectively count as no active users. I don’t expect people to be literal especially when they are talking about the user experience. (Heck, myspace still has millions of visitors but in common conversation, almost everyone would call it dead.)
If we want more people, we should think about how others view us, and instead of being angry that they aren’t being literal, maybe we can think how to play to our strengths.
I dunno, rants like this just feel like we’re being angry at people for a completely reasonable take on the fediverse.
I agree, however we are currently shrinking not growing
Where can you monitor it?
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24
you can also count Mbin and PieFed, but they aren’t as big
Someone mentioned nodeBB in the Reddit thread: https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24
The numbers seem odd, @1@activitypub.space do you think they are accurate?
most of that seems to come from https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/community.sketchucation.com
Thank you, that would make sense. Not sure if any of their communities federate with any other Threadiverse instance
Comments have been rising but users decreasing, could this be that people have settled to one account or that bots have made more comments?
It would be nice to know the ratio of users/bots in X, Reddit, Facebook, … and the Fediverse. I’m pretty sure we would be surprised.
All forums can be used to influence general opinion. If there were more users here I’m sure there would be more pressure trying to get past the current safeguards. What do you think about the bot situation here?
Also the wave of speculative users and tourists who were only ever going to just check it out has died down while the actually invested users have settled more in.
It’s not about how many people are here, it’s about how engaged those who stay are.
We still need more people here, we cannot support niche communities and as such lose that wreath of knowledge that made Reddit good.
True, I think as long as the comments are not from bots it’s looking fine. And I haven’t noticed anything like that here.
Just FYI, lots of instances are implementing anti scraper/ai tools so the numbers are going to look wacky depending on the tracker.
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that’s wild.
I think it’s already too much.
I mean, 38k just means 34,2k bots and 3,8k actual users
Are there really that many bots on lemmy? I really only ever notice the couple RSS bots that float around between me blocking them.
Occasionally I’ll see one acting up and filling the frontpage with spam but Beyond that I don’t see many. There are a few users I suspect are chat GPT agents, but that’s gonna be an issue anywhere.
The ratio of bots to humans is significantly better on lemmy than on reddit. In fact that’s another reason that the dork in OP is wrong about “no users,” because absolute numbers don’t matter very much if you’re interested in conversations with actual human beings, what matters is the likelihood that it’s just bots responding and upvoting (or the opposite) and with reddit your odds on that are shit.
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Not really. The user-to-bot metric is way worse on Reddit, I’d imagine.
Seriously, this platform is far from dead. Lemmy is not quite the same depth of niche content as Reddit was, but it’s certainly usable. If you can recognize Reddit’s practices are a problem then with a bit of effort there is another option.
Drives me nuts with games too. Some games NEED a huge userbase for balance and ELO and whatnot, but it’s always wild to see a solo or team-based PvE game billed as “dead” because it has only 5k concurrent players.
If it is a skill based PvP game it needs a constant inflow of new users or people that are just permanent bronze and happy with that. It’s considered “dead” by those players that have peaked at gold or platinum and angry at a team mate that they lost a game
FOMO is a weird thing. Sometimes I get in moods where it’s like, I don’t want to watch a movie from 10 years ago, it’s not relevant and no one is interested in it anymore. Or music, or whatever. We’re actually hardwired to go along with the crowd, to want to be part of the bigger crowd, etc. So cheers to all you who chose this less-trodden path, or just got banned enough times on Reddit to take the hint 🍻
I mean, for something that is meant to provide cotent for near-every niche or interest out there, it is nearly nothing. On Reddit, both Dota2 and War Thunder are more than half-way there every week, and those are both niche, and not particularly topical. Frankly, for the average user, Lemmy doesn’t have enough content to be relevant.
Dont get me wrong, I’m still here and still hopeful for the Fediverse’s success but blaming the user and pretenting the problems don’t exist isn’t helping the problem, and instead just makes us look like elitists and assholes. We’re the ones trying to make a product for them, not the other way around. If you want the platform to be appealing to standard users, stop whining, and start posting more or otherwise contributing more to the platorm.
If you want the platform to be appealing to standard users, stop whining, and start posting more or otherwise contributing more to the platorm.
That’s… what I’m doing?
The “you” was meant to be a more general you, rather than you specifically, although my point is the same. Launching a social media site is a herculean task, and requires the effort (or funding) to match. Its up to those trying to establish the platform to put in the effort, not the ones we’re trying to “sell” to, and insulting or blaming them just makes us look like assholes.
insulting or blaming them just makes us look like assholes.
On the other hand, sharing the frustration on spaces like here can help people who feel demotivated.
As you said, launching a new platform is a herculean task, and there are only so many of us (around 4 or 5 people) trying to promote the platform.
Finally, the person quoted here is probably never going see this post.
More users don’t necessarly mean more niche communities users
blaming the user and pretenting the problems don’t exist
Good thing no one did either of those things
It not having the people to be a place for you is perfectly acceptable reason to not be interested, but dismissing near 40K people as nothing is just wrong. That’s the population of a decent sized town.
We’re the ones trying to make a product for them
I really hate this language. I’m trying to build a community, not make something to be profited off.
While I mostly agree with you, I’d argue that a “product” isn’t something that necessarily involves any sort of capitalist fever dream of something to be sold or profited off of. A “product” is, at the end of the day, a quantifiable result of work, and Fediverse software is arguably such a thing.
Personal experience: the smaller group is, the more friendly and stick-together group will be.
Reddit had bots for a fucking long time. And since they allowed to close up user profiles post/comment history, tracking who is who became harder. There is no way that wasn’t by design, it most certainly is. There is no secret that reddit is in cahoots with LLM companies. They will use (or already are using) bots to populate their site and probably will skew public perception in a desired way using bots.
Not like Lemmy has no bots. But it’s so much more peaceful here.
It’s okay, if Reddit is what “has users” looks like, then I’m perfectly happy to have “no users” over here on the Fediverse.
It would still be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as
I think that says more about the state of movies and TV than it does lemmy.
You’re not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
But also, no community happens out of a vacuum. If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they’ll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.
But yes, in general I agree, it would be nice if we had a little more activity around here. But I’d still rather us be on the smaller size than the too large to manage size of Reddit, given the option.
I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
This is a valid concern for other communities, but interestingly enough in the case of two two, there are enough posts and comments to still keep them separate, the issue is that most of the posts come from a single poster on each topic.
If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they’ll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.
Indeed, look at the weekly posts on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip
Even some of reddit biggest comms like games, still have one primary user posting
Interesting, I never noticed
Ye, it’s underestimated how many communities are reliant to one passionate enthusiast.
yeah also the r/MarsSociety community for example. mostly one user posting all the news article, though maybe 5-10 people actively commenting.
You’re not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.
When I originally set up television on lemm.ee I made it the largest community on the instance within 2 months lol.
It works on its own
I don’t post because nobody is posting there lmao
There are at least 5 posts a day on both communities, with usually 50-100 comments total per day
If you want to see an actual inactive community there’s !movies@lemmy.world
That’s true, but I am not interested in any of those. I’m mostly fine with the topics here, and I’m happy that the idiots of Reddit stay on Reddit.
Exactly. Assholes like that can stay on Reddit and suck more spez corporate bot cock.
I think it’s more just that most of the users are bots or marketing interns.
Reddit has about 38,000 people on it, the rest are bits as far as I can tell.
Lemmy is reddit without the bot swarms
It’s not. You can pretend all you want but this place is mostly just reposts and three pugsjesus and butterfly in trenchcoats.
I see you pushing the same incorrect narrative regularly, https://piefed.zip/post/687843#comment_2347822
If you are so unhappy with this place, why are you still around?
It’s not reddit. “You done don’t like it then git out” 🤣
Just seems weird for you to still be here while at the same time saying that the platform is just reposts by 2 people.
I apologize for having some objectivity about the number of users and content while using the service. Deeply sorry.
Yeah, it’s fine to be critical - but if you just dislike it and have zero hope for it - why stick around?
Because there are obviously good parts to it?
Doesn’t mean they can’t complain.
They don’t seem to act like they find anything good about here.
It’s not reddit.
Seems like intensely faint praise.
As someone who’s in a similar position…I like the technology and the idea of booting tech billionaires. I don’t like how the userbase here is so monolithic, and this comment section makes me think people here like that this platform is a circlejerk.
Not a fan either of the “I don’t want more people” when this community is literally dedicated to promote the platform.
But the vibe is really community based, in the majority of the community I participate it it’s still good
Errmmm… there’s definitely only one me. I just checked and I’m definitely alone
Their loss, Lemmy is great. Everyone’s been pretty good so far, even when I’m being the annoying-preachy anarchist in a lib/nonpolitical instance. That and Sync for Lemmy have made it a pretty pleasant experience.
I like that it’s small enough that we all probably know who the thorn guy is.
I’m astonished that reddit it still going after all the decent users left en masse a few years ago.
I think I’ve only ever been banned from one community, and it was an NCD clone run by the reddit equivalent sub.
The fact that you can say pretty much anything here is probably lemmy’s biggest advantage, despite it being such a low bar these days lol.
their loss…
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lemmy grow further, but I hope it never reaches the levels of current day Reddit.
I don’t want to see a single server grow to the size of Reddit. I wouldn’t mind the network as a whole growing to that size, though.
I suspect that if the lemmy side of the fediverse did grow to the size of Reddit we would probably see a lot more fragmentation than we currently have.There’d be upsides and downsides to that.
Especially when each Lemmy user is valued at 342 times the worth of a Reddit user.
How dare you insult all lemmings with that low estimate haha
Are you saying that comments like came here to say this take my upvote who’s cutting onions saving this for later laughed at this harder than I should have tell me you’re x without telling me you’re x not all heroes wear capes sigh unzips pants thank you for the gold kind stranger are somehow less valuable than a genuine human thought?
Preposterous! Laughable!
