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What the fuck are Americans doing?
Dying, a lot
“Well organized” “militia”
I’m no expert on their citizenry, but on average, probably the same fucking shit you or I are doing.
But with guns.
I ask myself this everyday
Shop worker: “Clear your weapon sir.”
Customer: “Ain’t loaded.”
Shop worker: “Sorry, store policy.”
Customer: “Fine” (clears weapon, ejects a live round) “Oops! How’d that get in there.”
Shop worker: (Puts the ejected round into the jar) “How can I help you today?”
Trying to convince each other that we’re “responsible gun owners”
If you aren’t condition 4 when entering, I’ll meet you at condition 0.
Its easier to paint all gun owners as reckless at best, criminals at worst, when you have dumbasses like this walking around. Truth is, the vast majority of american gun owners I’ve met have been strict followers of the 4 rules. If I ever meet someone who isn’t, they immediately become strangers after I leave the situation. Ill try to correct behavior, but not everyone is receptive. Thats where common sense gun laws would be great to have, like proving competency with a firearm and the safety rules especially, every year if you want a ccw. Unfortunately, the ccw in my state is an online course with 10 questions at the end, and fees and a waiting list to get your physical card. I could (and did, but did not carry until confident with my setup) get this ccw without ever having fired the gun I intend to carry, much less handled it safely.
Also, for people less familiar, if you are ever handed a firearm, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAR IT YOURSELF. Just because someone clears it in front of you, does not make it clear. I dont care if the person field strips it in front of me, the first thing im doing after they hand it to me is clearing it myself.
Gun owners reading maybe? Please be more reponsible/safe with your firearms. Be as safe as you think you should, then be a little safer. There’s countless little things to work on, like not breaching the fire line or responsible clearing before leave line. We all take a huge responsibility when we decide to carry concealed. You have to delete your ego, you can’t be short fused. There’s no room for prejudice, or stupidity. You alone are responsible for what comes out of your weapon, and if the responsibility is shrugged off, tragic things happen that you have to live with. Don’t mess around, stay sharp.
Treat EVERY GUN as if its loaded (imagine that rounds can magically appear if you set it down or take eyes off, because they sometimes do!) Keep your finger off the trigger until ready and safe to fire. (Keep your booger hook off the bang switch!) Do not point your firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy (whether youre firing or not, whether its loaded or not) Fully know your target and all things behind it(bullets have a tendency to keep going)
I dont care if the person field strips it in front of me, the first thing im doing after they hand it to me is clearing it myself.
This kind of attitude is the exact right way to do it when safety is involved. You make it automatic, not a decision. It’s like wearing your seatbelt. It saves you time and energy while producing the best results.
Put another way: Crazy shit happens every day. You make it automatic not because you distrust the person unloading it in front of you. You do it because you shouldn’t trust yourself to be perfectly flawless in life and death situations. You do it 100% of the times that you rationally know for certain that it’s empty, so that you skip the check 0.00000% of the time that some crazy sequence of events quietly creates a dangerous situation.
I’m honestly very anti-firearms, I live in the USA and while I have met young veterans who take good care of their firearms and exhibit excellent discipline, I have met enough dangerous folk waltzing around toting firearms to flex power at best or to carry out violence at worst, (many different walks of life), that I do not want fire arms in the hands of anyone. The state already has a monopoly on violence, thigh high sock wearing lesbians on lemmy, or people who served and choose to own and carry aren’t really necessary. We’d be better off without them as a whole. And violence isn’t the absolute solution some of my peers would make it out to be.
Having observed the state, I do not trust it with a monopoly on violence. Yes, we might be better off without weapons. When we can guarantee that nazism will never, ever rise again, then we may feel free to disarm ourselves. Until then, that seems unwise. After all, ICE is doing most of their work in cities and states with harsh gun restrictions, where it’s safe for them to oppress.
Btw
When we can guarantee that nazism will never, ever rise again
That’s a “never.” Remember like 8y ago when everyone said “it could never happen here?” Well…
I like to think humanity is capable of evolving beyond such stupid ideas. But in the near term it does seem a bit of a long shot.
You can’t really kill most ideas (it seems especially not the bad ones), they just lay dormant for a while, maybe change shape a little, maybe change location, but they come back. Many things in life are cyclical, just like fashion trends coming back in style so do ideas, and unfortunately those are usually not limited by nostalgia.
Unfortunately, even if it did “never come back” we can’t verify that “never” until the sun explodes (assuming that kills all the humans, if we get off planet before that all bets are off) as “never” can only truly be known retroactively.
And tbh, if we did have that utopian world devoid of fascism (all authoritarianism, really) and crime for eternity, guns wouldn’t be an issue anymore anyway to necessitate a ban, at that point fuck it, have fun!
Rule #0 of firearm safety: Trust no one.
not even myself from an hour ago! or 5 minutes ago! Every single time one is picked up it is checked
Never trust the last person, especially if the last person was you.
Nope, Rule #0 is: have no firearm.
Edit: americans don’t like this.
I see a .45, 9mm and I think a 556/223 in that jar right off the bat
I see a .22 LR below the “in.”
Ammmeeeeriiiiicaaaaa
the perspective of this pic makes some of those rounds look like grenades
What a fucking dystopia it is, when people can just bring guns to stores. Why would you need a murder weapon, do you have that many enemies? Statistically you’re more likely to use it on yourself, or a kid finds it and hurts itself or someone else. Unless it’s in a safe, in which case it’s useless for home protection when all your enemies are coming over to kill you. Seriously dude, what did you do to have that many people wanting to kill you. Do you want to know what I have for home protection? Machine gun? RPG? Wrong, I have locks. They still haven’t killed me. I am being held hostage by my 3 cats though. Also, I’m nice to people, I don’t have enemies.
Why would you need a murder weapon, do you have that many enemies?
Know that this site has a higher than average LGBTQIA+ population. For a lot of the Americans you’re directly referring to, the answer is yes.
Seriously dude, what did you do to have that many people wanting to kill you.
Literally nothing, and yet they do
Do you want to know what I have for home protection? […] Wrong, I have locks.
Lol. Lmao, even
So is your argument everyone should have guns? Because the people wanting to murder you for no reason will have access to them too. I doubt they will invade your home to kill you if they can only get a kitchen knife in stores as a weapon.
How often are people being hunted and killed for just being who they are? Are there actual groups who specifically home invade to kill LGBTQIA+? I knew the US was fucked up, but I haven’t heard of actual death squads.
How often are people being hunted and killed for just being who they are?
It’s common enough that it’s a viable legal defense for murder.
My argument is that as long as the people who want me dead have guns, I should probably have a gun as well. This goes double for my trans brothers and sisters. In a perfect world, nobody would have guns. In a perfect world, cancer wouldn’t exist. But Americans have guns, and cancer exists, so we should quit smoking and remain armed for now.
Statistically there’s a higher chance to use a gun on yourself during dark days, you know, which we all have sometimes, or have someone hurt during an accident with it (like a kid finds it or you shoot your partner/kid/friend coming home late while thinking it’s a burger) than you actually needing to protect yourself.
But why is it there are so many murder hungry people in the US? You make it sound like the Purge. What does law enforcement do with these murderous groups? Honestly, I haven’t heard of any group actively braking in to kill people just because. Do you have sources of this happening?
Im not advocating gun ownership but locks just slow honest people down.
Pepper spray is all a normal person would need to defend themselves
And if nobody owned a gun, you would not be outmatched when defending yourself with pepper spray
Even pepper spray is illegal in my country.
Well let’s see.
A friend of mine had his house broken into while he and another friend were there, they were held up at gunpoint and pistol whipped and had their safe (among other things) robbed. We had to glue his head back together because we didn’t have money for stitches (of course they’d just been robbed so that didn’t help, but also good ol’ no insurance played a part in that). They moved, cops never caught the guys. Wasn’t “their enemy,” was just a home invasion. He had locks too, and they didn’t help.
A little later in that same neighborhood, another friend of mine was selling some weed to a guy (I know I know he was a master criminal because weed was illegal so he deserved to die or whatever) and the guy stabbed him and stole the weed. He did have to go to the hospital but he luckily did live. Big ol’ scar on his gut now forever though and I don’t think it was worth it for the story. Wasn’t my friend’s enemy (actually we thought dude was cool, not a friend but an aquaintance), until he stabbed him of course.
I moved from that neighborhood to another across town, and luckily we only had people stealing from unlocked cars there, but we did hear gunshots in the distance every night and I found a crushed .40sw round right next to my mailbox that someone must have dropped doing hoodrat shit. Thankfully nothing happened beyond that, but had it, it never hurts to be prepared. None of them were my enemy either, and they never decided to make me one.
Moved from there after a while to a “safer” (the heroin dealers live in the next apartments over, not my direct complex, so it’s “safer” kinda sorta bur we get some bleed off) neighborhood I’m in now. Went to the store at one point in 2019, and in the parking lot a guy pulled a knife on me and my then-gf. Luckily after all the previous experiences and a few other close calls, I had bought a gun and got a permit to carry it. I moved my concealment and put the hand on the grip, and he turned and walked away. Instead of being stabbed or whatever he wanted to do, I bought bread. I call that a win, and thankfully without even having to fire a shot. No clue who that guy was, definitely wasn’t “my enemy” until y’know the whole knife thing put us at odds immediately upon meeting.
I’m also nice to people, I also “don’t have any enemies,” so are my friends, but it seems not everyone needs to think of you as an “enemy” before they attack you, some I thought were friendly acquaintances, some my friends or I had never even met before, in fact not one time has it been “well I was mean to that guy so now he pulled a knife,” not one has been “our enemies.” The world only works like that on procedural dramas, in the real world ime it is usually someone you know and are ostensibly friendly with, or someone you’ve never met.
Hell, bonus story, once I was taking out the trash to the dumpster and walked past a guy on the way, so I politely said “hey hows it going,” y’know as ya do, and he responded “Fuck you american you come to africa we kill you” yadda yadda blah blah. I laughed and said “ok you have a nice day too” and kept going, luckily he walked off down the street shouting about killing me instead of actually trying to, but yeah maybe that helps illustrate that being polite and not having “enemies” isn’t necessarily the magical protective ward you think it is. No clue what was wrong with that dude (had to be something, that isn’t a normal reaction to “hey how’s it going,”) I’m just glad he didn’t get more violent than threatening my life (like, threatening is fine, just don’t start acting on it), but whatever is wrong with him it wasn’t my fault lol.
So yeah it’s not all about “enemies,” nor “locks” even if you were an agoraphobe.
they were held up at gunpoint
Would be nice if they didn’t have access to guns right? Perfect example why guns should be banned. Because what would you do, invading a home to ving people when you don’t have anything to hold them at gunpoint with?
I know I know he was a master criminal because weed
Selling a bit of weed is being a master criminal? Mate, what rock are you living under?
and the guy stabbed him and stole the weed
Wtf, did he sell it in a back alley to a stranger or something? My drug dealer is a good friend of mine, he always takes care of his clients, which are all his friends. Like seriously, getting stabbed for a bit of weed? How much of the story are you not telling me? Who would stab for a bit of weed? I mean, if he had 5 kilos of cocain I’d understand if someone tried to tip him off, but a bit of weed? Makes no sense. But again, access to weapons makes use of them more likely. Whether it’s guns or knives, or anything else.
but we did hear gunshots in the distance every night and I found a crushed .40sw round right next to my mailbox
Again, would have been great if no one had guns. Ban that shit!
I’m also nice to people, I also “don’t have any enemies,” so are my friends, but it seems not everyone needs to think of you as an “enemy” before they attack you
Bro, maybe move to another neighborhood which isn’t a fucking war zone. I know, it’s easily talking when loving I na first world country and giving advice to someone living in a 3rd world country, but I know people in the US and there are places where the violence is much lower than other places like Detroit for example.
So yeah it’s not all about “enemies,” nor “locks” even if you were an agoraphobe.
I agree, it’s mostly about people having easy access to lethal weapons which makes the lives of everyone else much less safe.
Over here I can go onto the streets, everywhere at any time, day or night, without having to fear for my life. I’m not saying there isn’t crime and women can do the same as we have less nice neighborhoods as well, but at least we don’t have to fear for our lives when going outside. When someone gets killed it’s national news as it’s so rare, everyone is in shock. There are 0.2 to 0.25 deaths by guns per 100.000 inhabitants per year, which is a steap increase compared to 10 years ago, with the coming of the Moroccan èn Mexican mafia these days. In the US it’s 13.7 in 2023 which is lower than the years before. But sure, keep discarding statistics and blame anything but guns. You give examples of people with easy access to weapons committing crimes, as an argument for having guns while it’s exactly why you shouldn’t have any. We’re not allowed to have tasers, pepperspray, numchucks, knuckelirons, rubber sticks or any other weapons. Crime is so low because of that, criminals don’t want to pay 7000 euros for a crappy pistol on a black marked they don’t even have connections to, just to rob someone of their wallet which doesn’t even contain cash money anymore. Also, we build our houses from stone and concrete, with proper locks the time to break in is longer than it takes for the cops to arrive. No one is worried about anyone entering their house to hurt them. People just worry about their iPad getting stolen, or their bike. Which happens without weapons, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS THEM.
Would be nice if they didn’t have access to guns right?
Sure, but they did, and my money is on “not legally,” but either way they did. There’s 600,000,000+ already out there with no registry and 3d printed glocks are a thing now. They can get them and will continue to be able to, pandora’s box has been opened.
Also if you look back far enough in history: blind bet, I bet you 1,000 internet points home invasions existed before firearms. Likely before gunpowder even, actually. I mean Viking raids alone…
Selling a bit of weed is being a master criminal? Mate, what rock are you living under?
Ah you’re from a country that has never heard of sarcasm, my apologies.
Wtf, did he sell it in a back alley to a stranger or something?
Parking lot of a closed-for-the-night Veterinarian’s office on a main road to a regular customer we considered a friendly acquaintance up until that point, why? We know his government name and have met his brother (of course, we didn’t snitch and afaik he is now in prison, or maybe was, for robbing a gas station). He still stabbed my friend and sent him to the hospital. Idk what to tell you, I agree he should probably not have stabbed my friend over 2oz but he did, so, sorry?
Again, would have been great if no one had guns. Ban that shit!
Again, probably illegally possessed and won’t be gone anytime soon even if they were illegal to possess. And even if they were legal, they are already there.
Bro, maybe move to another neighborhood which isn’t a fucking war zone.
Rich and privileged European disconnected from the reality of America? Why am I not surprised?
there are places where the violence is much lower than other places like Detroit for example.
I’m going to assume based on the above observation you don’t understand the subtle racism here. It’s there though, for future reference.
They can get them and will continue to be able to, pandora’s box has been opened.
Yhrt3e a difference to being able to buy a gun for a few hundred bucks in a supermarket and only being able to buy a questionable quality gun for several thousand euros on the black market, something which isn’t accessible to anyone (I don’t know anyone who sells guns for example). Sure, 3D printed guns are a thing too, but mostly because parts can be bought freely in the US which can me CNCed into workable parts. Those parts aren’t legal here either.
Also if you look back far enough in history:
Those were different times. So you’re afraid of vikings invading if guns were to be banned?
Ah you’re from a country that has never heard of sarcasm, my apologies.
The Dutch are super sarcastic. I’m autistic, I have a hard time picking it up, sorry.
Again, probably illegally possessed and won’t be gone anytime soon even if they were illegal to possess. And even if they were legal, they are already there.
Australia is a good example. They banned guns all at once, people got angry. Now they live without gun violence. Don’t say it’s not possible.
Rich and privileged
I’m not. Well, I am privileged to have been born here, that’s true. But I’ve seen a lot around the world. Nice places and horrific places (like Mogadishu for example) filled with terror. Because I’ve been to these places, not from reading about it on the internet. I haven’t been to the US though, but I have friends from there (from all around). I may be rich compared to people in Africa but also I have to live from paycheck to paycheck, don’t own a house, no car, no savings etc.
I’m going to assume based on the above observation you don’t understand the subtle racism here. It’s there though, for future reference.
I don’t understand. Saying Detroit has a high crime rate is racist? Or saying not all places in the US have a high crime rate is racist? Could you explain it, I honestly don’t get it. Sorry.
There’s 600,000,000 out there already that are not going anywhere, the price isn’t going down any time soon even if we make them illegal. Not to mention pipe shotguns, the LutySMG, the FGC9, countless reloaders with tonnes of components, and trillions of rounds of stashed ammo across the whole US civilians’ collections, good luck. Even if people would comply with an Aus style buyback, that would be astronomically expensive at the scale required to even get the percentage of guns they got (which was like 20%, and they are now back up to their 1996 amount of guns at 3.2mil.)
Those were different times. So you’re afraid of vikings invading if guns were to be banned?
You’re the one that thinks nobody ever invaded someone’s home before guns existed lol, that’s on you.
You’re privileged enough to tell poor people in bad neighborhoods to “just move somewhere better bro” because that’s exactly what you did. Do you think the people in bad neighborhoods stay for the ice cream trucks? No it’s because they can’t afford to move to a nicer area, hell sometimes the nicer area moves to them and pushes them out because now they can’t afford that neighborhood anymore, it’s called gentrification.
Detroit is a city often tied to black people and poverty and was usually used as every racist uncle’s example of racist bullshit, though now that is becoming Chicago it’s still basically a “Ah this is a 60-65yo republican I’m talking to” dogwhistle. Like I said I assume by “privileged European” you didn’t know that.
that would be astronomically expensive
Guns are too. What do you think it costs in health care, police, intelligence services, dealing with bodies, loss of work force (as they are dead) etc? Why not stop deporting people, as that actually is astronomically expensive. You can just make excuses why to keep guns, saying it’s impossible, but is has been proven it’s possible and statistics show it works.
You’re the one that thinks nobody ever invaded someone’s home before guns existed lol, that’s on you.
Again, those were different times. I live in a country where it’s national news if something like a violent home invasion happens. Same with all the other countries around us.
You’re privileged enough to tell poor people in bad neighborhoods to “just move somewhere better bro”
If you live in a war zone, yeah, fleeing is the better option. I have friends who fled from war, who traveled from Iraq and Syria with nothing. If the alternative is a high probability of losing your life, I’d know what I’d chose.
Detroit is a city often tied to black people and poverty and was usually used as every racist uncle’s example
I chose Detroit as an example as it has high crime rates. You made it racist by assuming I meant black people. Wrong assumption.
Like I said I assume by “privileged European” you didn’t know that.
Indeed, I didn’t know you would find a way to change so. Thing I said into something racist. I may be a “privileged European” but I’ve been in wars myself, I’ve been homeless once, I’m unable to work anymore due to really bad PTSD due to my wartime experience, I’ve seen hundreds of people drown while fleeing from war, I’ve seen people being tortured, I’ve seen dead babies on the side of the road, etc. But what do I know about gun violence, being poor and surviving, right?
The issue I mostly have with Americans is their claim of having a monopoly on the truth, knowing everything better while not knowing anything from the rest of the world. You’re not much different so far.
Get rid of guns and violence will drastically decrease. Or you can just add more guns and enjoy killing each other The Purge style, as you all are so full of hate towards each other.
Yeah good luck with all that lol, it’s not happening anytime soon regardless and there’s no point wasting energy about it in this thread anymore. Unless you happen to have enough votes to overturn a constitutional amendment in your pocket we’ll have to agree to disagree for now.
…this is clearly in a gun store.
What a fucking dystopia if you can just buy a gun in a store. The majority of people are idiots, why give everyone access to devices specifically made to kill people? Is society really safer if everyone has a gun? When it comes to disputes there’s a whole spectrum between shouting “hey asshole” and killing someone, but every other form of escalation is skipped when guns are involved. It’s just stupid. Especially when you make everyone stupid with junk food. Then you have stupid people doing stupid things with lethal weapons. Like school shootings for example, which is considered ‘normal’ these days and ‘collateral damage’ to protect the second amendment. “I don’t mind my kids are at risk of getting shot and killed at school, so I can have guns, so I can protect my family against other people with guns.” If you take guns out of the equation, a lot of issues will be solved. But since Americans now learn how to hide from shooters instead of math, I wonder if they even know what an equation is. The US is not far from the world portrayed in the movie Idiocracy.
I’m nice to everyone and a good chunk of the population would like to see me dead. Assuming people would only want to assault someone because of their own actions is pretty naive.
Right. So let’s give them access to guns, that’s a super smart idea. “There’s a group of murderous people in my country. What to do? I know, let’s give everyone lethal weapons which you can buy at the super market, that will make everyone safer.”
In my country, cops and the military have guns. And a tiny group who use them for hunting and sports. There are roughly 35 to 40 people killed by guns per year, in a country of 18 million inhabitants. That’s 0.2 to 0.25 per 100.000. This is much more than 10 years ago. One of our provinces is considered a narco state, we have Moroccan mafia, the Mexican cartels are here too. So it’s not like we don’t have crime and we have no issues.
As a comparison, in the US in 2023 the amount of deaths by guns was 13.7 per 100.000, which has been less than the years before, according to Pew Research Center.
It’s super simple math. Add guns to society, the amount of gun violence and deaths will rise. Remove guns from society, the amount of gun violence and deaths will decrease. Look at Australia for example, one of many countries where they banned guns, after the worst mass shooting ever. Never had a mass shooting ever again, since 1996. They went from an average of 3.6 gun deaths per 100.000 per year before 1996 to 0.8 in 2018.
But in the US their logic is “maybe we need to add more guns? Maybe the problem is too much doors in schools. You know what? I think we need to pray harder.”
But you know, statistics are just for nerds, what’s a nerd going to do against an AR-15 right?
You are more likely to drown if you have a pool. This isn’t any different.
Exactly. Or the chance of accidentally injuring others when driving a huge ass truck you don’t need.
Improving your safety shouldn’t be at the cost of the safety of others.
It’s the law of the land. I don’t agree with the current interpretation, but I do still have to live here in the meantime.
Do you? There are maaaaaany places much better than that fucked up country.
Okay give me the thousands of dollars it’ll take to uproot and start a life in another country cuz I don’t have it. Also I’m pretty sure most countries aren’t too fond of accepting disabled people.
Objection: speculation.
My country welcomes expats, there’s even an unfair tax cut to lure expats here. You pay less taxes, can find a house more easily than nationals and you can fix this with countless institutes willing to help you find work and a house for free or for a minor fee. And my country isn’t the only one. Especially now with Trump his shit show, and his war against intellectuals, the EU is scouting people from the US. You don’t need thousands to make the move. You will earn more and companies are more than happy to take you, with actual benifits and rights (no maximum sick days for example, like wtf is that really, you can’t stop being sick if you’ve reached the maximum allowed days). Plus, with all the systems in play to make it more easy for expats to come here, it’s not that hard or expensive. English is unofficially (while there are discussions to make it official) our second language so there are loads of job opportunities here, even if you don’t speak our native language. Also if you’re disabled. This isn’t America, people here are treated like actual people. And if you can’t work full time, you can get benifits.
Mind telling me what country that is?
You know how old I was when I learned the most important rule of firearms? Five.
I learned it from watching an anime called Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs.
The rule is “the weapon is always loaded, treat it as such”.
When a fucking anime from the 80s has better firearms safety than a boatload of CERTAIN people, something is horrifyingly wrong.
Idiots?
Edit: I wonder what comment I meant to respond to, because it certainly was not yours LOL.
obligatory firearm safety reminder:
- rule one is “keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire”
- rule two is “never point the weapon at anything you are not willing to destroy”
- rule three is “always treat any weapon as though it is loaded”
- rule four is “know your target and what lays beyond it”
only by holding each other accountable can we make sure that everyone stays safe and has fun.
My grandpa who takes me shooting was going over the firearm safety rules and with rule two I was like “that seems extreme” and his response it’s supposed to be, a gun killing or injuring or damaging isn’t as vivid as the word destroy
And yeah for me the other rules kinda seemed a given, bullets move fast and possibly through our hanging rubber targets, the gun probably can’t fire if you don’t give it a squeeze, and as for loaded better safe than sorry.
These rules seemed almost obvious to me, and yet there’s all these guys at the range behaving like absolute idiots
My friend’s dad stopped us just in time before we tried skeet shooting with a handgun and a rifle. We were on their property, which spanned miles. His dad said, “I don’t know what the maximum range is on those, but is that really how you want to find out?”
Yeah you expect the American public to abide by the rules and make smart choices?
I’m a member of the American public. I abide by the rules, make smart choices, and don’t tolerate those who don’t. All my friends are the same way.
Less than 1% of American gun owners commit 100% of gun violence in the US.
Over half of Americans read at a 6th grade level. The culture promotes violence and individualism. You think this populace deserves easily accessible guns? People can turn at any moment due to mental health issues or resort to criminal activity.
And we are getting less educated not more.
About 80 percent of the time yes. Even the dumbest slack jawed hick knows not to fuck around with guns, doesn’t make them not twitchy but that’s a different issue. It’s white trash and rich yuppy types who are generally the threat.
-“It’s white trash” Why are you assigning race to shootings?
I’m assigning race to common gun safety violations that I have seen. Not shootings.
Yeah the ones that want to be like the rest of the world and not have the entire populace be gun obsessed morons. They are the issue 😆
I was referring to folks who generally speaking were progressive yuppies back in the day but melted their brains on fox news then Facebook before going out to buy a gun without any training whatsoever. The type who when a protest happens are in their front yard swinging around their gun like their lives are on the line. Mind you that grouping is generally overlapped with white trash.
If you don’t want a gun do your own thing. I frankly would kill to get mandatory gun licensing requirements.
Ah I see. I don’t disagree.
Yeah kinda forgot that most folks aren’t half feral hicks where the term yuppy very specifically refers to shitstains who moved to the city back in the 80s and 90s only to move back in the 2010s and 2020s to gentrify everything. How I wish to bleed the condescending ones in particular.
I would argue that they do follow those rules. They’re just willing to destroy other kids at school with hopefully more kids behind them. Same goes for muslims in mosques, etc
To quote K from Men In Black: “a person, can be smart. but people, are dumb.”
also yes. I do.
The biggest problem with the American Constitution is the right to bear arms, IMO. I’m not American so take this with a grain of salt, but think of the dumbest person you’ve met, would you trust them with a gun? Probably not.
It shouldn’t be a right to own a gun. I’m not saying the barrier should be all that high, but you should be required to prove that you’re more intelligent than an oak tree to own one.
No, the biggest problem (IMO) is that we enshrine the right to bear arms, but mandate no education about firearms in public school. If we’re going to embrace guns the same way we do cars, we should teach “shooter’s ed” the same way we teach “driver’s ed.”
The second biggest problem is, even though most Americans agree that the root causes of violence need to be addressed (poverty, homelessness, unemployment, mental health, etc.) the sad reality of our political system is that these interests aren’t represented because capitalists have hijacked our government for their own benefit.
Tbh some schools used to, kinda. All the ones around me used to have a rifle team until the early-mid 00s (some got rid of it earlier). I’m not sure they’re allowed to anymore now that schools are federally mandated gun free zones (which seems to be the only thing that mandate stopped by the looks of it.)
My high school required a firearms safety class to graduate. Not sure if that had changed since it’s in an area where everyone hunts.
Was that recent? They all did around here too but stopped, and we have a lot of hunters too. Hopefully they still do!
I don’t and it shows in our gun deaths compared to every other developed country.
Once you subtract suicides, self-defense, justifiable homicides, officer involved shootings, and accidents, what you’re left with is a statistic that indicates 100% of gun violence is caused by less than 1% of gun owners.
Overall, the vast, VAST majority of gun owners in the US are safe and do make good choices.
The justifiable homicides would contain the officer involved shootings (presuming they were legal). Those are still violent acts compared to suicides and accidents which make up the overwhelming majority of gun deaths.
We shouldn’t discount suicides imo. It’s tempting to say that a person who wants to kill themself will find a way, but the reality is that when you take away the quickest, easiest route, most people end up not committing suicide
Yeah fuck suicidal people and anyone killed by cops they had it coming. Jesus christ.
As for “justifiable homicide”, you mean like… when the other guy had a gun… You want to discount those deaths why?
If we take your number at face value. This is kind of a trolley problem thing right. Should 99 people get to have a nice day out at the range once a month, which they could easily replace with any other leisure activity, if it means one person has to die violently. If you honestly like those odds then fair play mad max.
Worlds largest prison population with highest murder rate of any developed country wants guns to be available like candy… lol
People are a whole lot better about firearm safety than they are pretty much anything else here (driving laws, workplace safety, building codes…). The US has a whole fuckload of problems because of guns, but their ubiquity has given rise to a culture of gun safety that’s pretty universal here. It’s why we have so few accidental firearm deaths (… relative to the absurd number of guns in the country, that is)
Thanks. I’ve never owned, fired, or even held a gun.
I have no intention to. I knew most of these, but I’m glad to see it officially written out like this.
If I’m ever in the position where I need to handle a gun, I can do so more safely then I would have before.
Good work. Keep that shit up.
1: Don’t have a gun.
The only rule You really need.
Oh come on. I get what you are trying to point out, but that is like saying you don’t need to know forklift safety rules, as you will never operate a forklift.
Dude. Forklifts are useful.
Guns are also useful. Especially with the world at its wits end with Nazis
I get your point, but hunting, as a sport, is about as old of a sport as you can get, and for that sport there will always be people who prefer firearms.
At a basic level, firearms really can’t be barred from most countries as a blanket rule for everyone that is never allowed to be broken.
Therefore, firearms exist and people have them. That might not be you, or your neighbor, nor anyone you know, but they exist and people have them.
If you are ever in the rare position of being in the presence of one, and/or the situation where you need to handle one for any reason, would this information not be better to know ahead of time, rather than unknown until that moment?
It’s like first aid, IMO. I’ve known first aid for well over two decades, including CPR and everything. I’ve never needed anything more than how to correctly apply a bandaid. I’m still grateful to know what I know in case I’m ever in a situation that I may need it. That situation might never come, it may never happen. I’d rather know, and never have the need to know, than have the need to know, and not know.
Safety, first aid, anything that keeps people alive, should be universal knowledge. Doesn’t matter if it’s guns, cars, CPR, bandaids, or forklift safety… It’s better to know it, and never need it, than need it, and not know it. Period.
Running is a sport. Swimming is a sport. Football is a sport. Hunting is a game at best. For mentally unwell people.
You are being foolish. Hunting is not only enjoyable for some, but it is also how many feed their family.
This mindset is why kids that receive abstinence-only sex ed end up getting pregnant way more often
Americans will say the dumbest shit to protect their guns. Having sex and owning a gun are 2 different things. Only one of them is a biological need.
Even if you’re against gun ownership, it’s important to be aware of gun safety if you’re completely surrounded by them 24/7, because there may come a time when knowing the rules of firearms safety become relevant.
Calling a firearm “fun” is already part of the problem
Disagree. I’m not from the US, so maybe guns being seen as fun is more of a cultural issue in not aware of, but plenty of weapons are seen as fun here in the UK. And while we do have gun crime, I think firearms are seen differently here vs the US.
People will go axe throwing for fun. With Scouts, we shot air rifles on camp a number of times (supervised by people who knew what they were doing). Knife throwing is also a thing. Clay Pigeon shooting is also not uncommon here.
I genuinely believe using a weapon on a (non-living) target is fun for a lot of normal, well adjusted people.
You are talking about activities.
Sure you can have fun like that. But that doesn’t mean that these things should be sold as “fun” like toys are marketed.
They should be marketed to make clear these are dangerous weapons that require training and responsibility, not sold as toys to play around with.
Have you ever tried it?
There’s nothing quite so uniquely irritating as someone intensely critical of something they know very little about.
Not wanting to to call the private ownership of deadly weapons fun is hardly “intense”. Of anything it undersells the point.
Speaking as someone who enjoyed regular target rifle practice and competitions for the best part of a decade since you insist that matters.
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I’m not American, and this kind of absolute is completely unacceptable.
You’re basically fun-shaming.
There’s plenty of stuff that’s universally disliked, like… Idk, murder… But that’s not the whole reason guns exist. Sport shooting, hunting, event target practice, can be lots of fun to people, and they all involve guns, and no person is harmed, if done correctly.
Stop being so hateful.
I don’t even like guns. I’ve never held, nor fired one. And I wouldn’t ever, even slightly, say that there is no “fun” to be had with firearms.
You’re a dick.
Guns should be marketed as dangerous goods that require training and responsibility in owning them.
There is nothing wrong with having fun with firearms, but marketing them like toys is messed up in all kinds of ways.
So yeah, if people want to sell these like they sell candy to children, I am shaming them.
You missed the point. Saying that calling it “fun” is problematic doesn’t imply that you can’t have fun, of course you can (I have, a tonne). I assume the above comment called it problematic because they weighed the “fun” of gun owners against 40k dead Americans a year and decided maybe we shouldn’t be focusing on the entertainment.
You can absolutely have more gun control and not really inhibit firearm sports or hunting BTW. The USA ought to have a monopoly on Olympic shooting medals if that weren’t the case 😅
If they had IDPA or USPSA events they probably would, to be fair. The Olympics only have like four shooting events (coincidentally the ones less popular in America) there’s way more shooting sports than that.
Besides, if you look at the wiki’s medal table like I just did after you made me curious, it seems to indicate the US has 121 medals (incl all metals) for shooting, and the next highest China has 77, so, I mean, I guess we kinda do anyway?
Across all sports the US has over 3 times china’s all time medal totals in both summer and winter games. Not even having double is a pretty significant underperformance.
Maybe we should conclude gun culture makes a nation better at track and field because people get more practice running away 😂
Has the highest amount
WhAt, NoT eVeN tRiPlE?!?!
Lmao ok bud, call me when someone catches up. Cute try though.
Firearms are fun. Knives are fun. Martial arts are fun. At least to a decently large number of people. That doesn’t mean that their roles in society don’t suck.
One might say that the danger (to people, to society…) outweighs the benefits of allowing target shooting as a sport. Maybe, I’d still disagree, but that’s an opinion we can argue about. We don’t allow people to build their own nuclear reactors for fun, for example. But saying something isn’t “fun” is ignoring that a lot of people perceive the world differently.
A lot of stupid things are “fun” to a huge number of people. Loud cars, street fights, guns… Normal people grow out of it. Just because some adult children still think it’s “fun” doesn’t mean we have to tolerate and allow it.
Finally somebody i can share my hobby of ordering dust particles by smell with
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My ccw class taught updated rules that I think are better:
1: always keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to fire.
2: always keep your weapon pointed in a safe direction. (In a defense situation, the bad guy is a safe direction)
3: always treat as loaded until verified otherwise.(Some firearms need to be dry fired to be cleaned)
4: know your target and it’s surroundings. You are responsible for every bullet that leaves your weapon.
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The town I used to live in has to have signs in the laundromat to remind people to check their pockets for ammo.
Apparently they’ve had to replace a couple dryers.
Can a bullet fire just from a dryer? Wouldn’t that mean firearms would be randomly discharging in people cars in hot places like Arizona? Or is it somehow sparking or something from beating against the dryer like buttons from jeans or coveralls?
Asking because I never knew that was a thing lol
Maybe a really hot commercial dryer, but nothing at home or coin operated is likely to set a bullet off. Most dryers operate at under 200F, smokeless powder ignites at 300-350F. Also when not in the confines of a barrel they generally just pop as explained in this video:
Is it the heat or the percussion that sets them off? In the drier they would be bouncing around in a metal container.
Centerfire ammo needs a strong precise hit to the primer to set it off, I think that’s statistically unlikely for a loose object like a screw or a zipper to set that off.
Rimfire ammo has the primer inside the rim of the base. I suppose it could be possible for a heavy tumble against a sharp metal ridge in the drum being enough to discharge the round.
Thanks, as you can tell Im not super well informed about firearms in general
Man, that would be a fantastic topic for Mythbusters!
Just yesterday evening I saw their final episode on YouTube, closing up fourteen years of shows. I was moved.
American things.
repeal the 2nd
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
oh, im not religious sorry
but in any case, you can repeal the 2nd and have sensible gun laws like the entire rest of the fucking planet/disk/whatever your religion thinks it is.
edit: sorry that was a bit snarky
For the record, I wasn’t quoting the second amendment, I was quoting Marx
ya i know. it gets quoted a lot around here.
With all due respect, right the fuck now we shan’t.
We shall, maybe, some time in a faraway future when things in society are, shall we say, less immediately threatening to literal life and liberty.
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So we shan’t, maybe later it’s a shall, but we shan’t.
Shan’t.
My gun and I are always loaded so I would not be going to that store.
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Why would you not go to the store that is checking every firearm they handle to see if it’s loaded? If you are handing your weapon to someone else and they aren’t checking to see if it’s loaded, you’re in the wrong place.
Why would you go to a gun store if you aren’t always loaded and ready to fire? Not talking about a gun. (ps: pretty sure they’re making a joke)
Not a joke I wake up and drink six beers before I strap my shootin’ iron on and head out to start my day.
'Murica
Every range I go to here in Texas does NOT permit you to carry inside the store. Even the employees can’t carry. Every gun must be secured in a bag or safe prior to entering your shooting lane.
Edit… didn’t mean to reply directly to you but leaving the comment as a addon to my previous comment
This surprises me. I live in CT, which has some pretty strict gun laws compared to other states. Almost everyone who works there has a handgun in their holster, and they’re fine with me wearing mine holstered as long as I dont take it out until I’m on the firing line.
aka “locked, cocked, and ready to unintentional discharge!” 💢
FFS I can watch you clear a firearm and the first thing I will do is clear it when handed to me or I pick it up at the range.
Always assume it’s loaded. It’s not hard.
same. people think they’re smarter than themselves.
How do we make people feel stupid again?!
Put lots of hot objects around saying “Do not touch: hot”.
I’m a pretty smart guy, but I’m always second guessing myself and feeling stupid. How do we transfer that feeling to real idiots?
Rubics cube without google and you don’t know how to solve it.
lobotomy?
See they would be stupider, but I’m not sure they’d gain any level of awareness.
In the social media age it seems like everyone’s opinion seems just as valid, so there’s no reality check on how dumb you actually are.
It’s like how you think you can fight, then go to an MMA gym and get man handled and then come to realization you can’t fight at all.
so lobotomy at an mma gym then
Acts and prove, acts and prove.
I heard it stated as “always assume it’s in the least desirable state”. Unloaded can be dangerous too, like if you need it to be loaded. But that is an edge case.
I have watched a fat dude with a beard turn a ping pong ball into an orange using nothing but a solo cup and a quick wit. I do not trust, I only verify.
How?
cups and balls is a common magic trick, which is being referenced here. You slip the thing into the cup as its set down. Classic slight of hand routine.
Oh, nice! :D
Hey that actually is a fat man with a beard as well lol. That was cool.
How many balls? YES ORANGE
I’m not a gun person so maybe I was just fooled by a video. I also probably don’t use the right terms so forgive me.
But it was awhile back; one video I saw of a guy showing how he was clearing the chamber of a pistol. Pulled it back from a full clip and counted each one. He counted 8 (which was expected for the size). Kept clearing it while nothing came out. Asked the viewer “Clear? Nope. Did you notice what’s wrong”?
Pulls the gun back to show the bullet still visually in the chamber.
Apparently it was a pistol with a recall or common issue of not correctly clearing the last round. He had an additional bullet chambered at the start so he counted the clip size but the pistol had 9 rounds initially with one still completely capable of firing at the end.
Like, he literally pulled it back and cleared it like 20 additional times. Bullet still just sitting there at the end.
Will try to find the video.
Yep yep. I will only trust that the chamber of a gun is empty if I can shine a light down the front, and see it from the back. Even then, damn bullet goblins can pop a bullet in there in the blink of an eye, so you still want it pointed away from anything that can feel pain
Yeah, it sounds like a malfunction. It should clear by racking the slide until nothing comes out, but ALWAYS verify by checking the chamber.
A faulty extractor would easily cause this issue. That’s why you also have to visibly inspect the chamber. A round would be easily visible while the slide is back.
ALWAYS treat every gun as if it is loaded
