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    “What is my purpose?”
    “You hand out the water”
    “Are you kidding me, billions of dollars invested. Countless hours of research. The rare materials inside my chassis cost more than you’ll see in your lifetime. You know what – actually fuck this.”
    Hitlerbot has left the chat

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          There was a RoboCop 2!? Must’ve been so bad that I blanked it out of my memory.

          edit: Nevermind lol. I’ll check it out, thanks.

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            No, RoboCop 2 is alright. RoboCop is probably my favorite movie. RoboCop 2 is good, not as deep, not as gratuitous, nor perfectly campy as the first but good enough for a watch. 3 is not, don’t waste your time… Even Peter Weller didn’t come back.
            The remake totally missed the mark; had some interesting ideas and callbacks to the originated but didn’t know how to capture the tone and thought of the original and took itself too seriously.

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                You guys talking about RoboCop: Rogue City (the one that’s already on PC)?

                If so, don’t get too excited. The game is mostly a mindless shoot-em-up. I was bored in under an hour.

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                  Same here. Even with the upgrade tree it looked boring. Some here will argue it’s a great game because of the AA status and small dev team. I get that, but after playing so many other great titles, that game just doesn’t measure up.

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              I personally like 2 better, but you’re spot on. I would say the game on PS5 is the true RoboCop 3 lol.

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              I also love that the original is a perfect chiachism: a palindrome of a film, every scene at the start as a mirror at the end.

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            Robocop 2 is the superior movie IMO. The story, action, basically everything is improved. Definitely check it out if you’re a fan of the first one.

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              I don’t quite agree, RoboCop 2 lacked some of the depth of the original in my opinion and come on: can you really beat Ronny Cox and Kurtwood Smith as the villainous duo? 😉

              Having said that, RoboCop 2 is definitely still worth watching!

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                I will agree the villains in Robocop were better. It’s been such a long time since I watched but I remember just enjoying the nuke addiction the whole city had lol. Plus the main villain was a nuked out junkie in a massive mech suit. My heart was full lmao. Both are definitely worth watching though! Great movies!

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      Kind of what I hoped happened, without the corpse. Could have been cool to see it rip its head off.

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    This is legit a bit horrifying. The robot ripped its own consciousness out of his body and died.

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      To make you feel better, this was the remote operator, that makes the robot appear autonomous, removing their headset before handing control off to someone else to keep the lie going.

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        One would think there would be a failsafe buffer in there, for at least a few seconds.

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          Nono, this is an Elon product. The bare minimum to sell the illusion is all you get even after years of r&d and actual sales on the books.

          How he’s not in jail for fraud is one of many marks against modern capitalism and its stranglehold on governments…

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          It’s likely there was an “idle” script the operator was supposed to trigger before making the swap.

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    Why it look like whoever was controlling it just took their headset off? User takes viser off robot falls from lack of user controls? Tell me this was not actually just another mechanical turk.

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    I was so confused, I thought it had accidentally done a Nazi salute while removing the headset and then it shut down as some sort of rule.

    I had no idea that instead of a person standing there doing whatever a person controls it remotely. What a great idea for nuclear waste clean up, fucking terrible for handing out water.

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      Sorry to disappoint you, but there’s no way this thing is usable for nuclear waste cleanup. in comparison, the cleanup crews in Chernobyl wanted to use robots to clear the graphite rubble off the roof of the power plant after the accident because of the high radiation levels there, but the radiation was crashing them pretty much instantly, forcing them to use human liquidators.

      Components these days are surely even less resistant to radiation, because of much higher density parts which ensures that the memory and cache in this thing would look like after a blender treatment.

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          I believe the levels of radiation are several orders of magnitude different. I don’t think you can even use a digital camera for a robot near these open reactors as the signal is completely swamped by the radiation, while in space you would just have a couple of inaccurate pixels at any point in time.

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            Camera issues are a whole nother issue, but other then tech debt, NASA likes to use older computers because the traces on the chips are bigger and less likely to have their bits flipped. A friend of mine programs for satellites and his systems use some sort of PowerPC chip.

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        Why would consumer electronics be radiation hardened? But I didn’t to say that we can’t do radiation hardened robots it’s just that these ones won’t be it.

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        Components these days are surely even less resistant to radiation

        I’d disagree, we’ve had 4 decades to learn how to better harden electronics in high radiation environments. off the shelf stuff? sure that would be fucked. purposely designed:

        https://www.sustainability-times.com/climate/mission-impossible-now-possible-these-high-tech-robots-to-heroically-clear-2850-radioactive-sandbags-from-fukushima-plant/

        https://www.science.org/content/article/how-robots-are-becoming-critical-players-nuclear-disaster-cleanup

        https://www.jalopnik.com/these-robots-go-into-fukushima-daiichi-so-people-don-t-1850032340/

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          We are talking about something designed by a company owned by Musk that is already faking autonomy, The tech you write about is specialized for this line of work, and none of it is wireless, humanoid and have the processing power to work autonomously. But i’m happy that a part of this work can finally be done remotely.

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            wasn’t opining on musks shitware. just the idea that there’s no way to operate in high rad environments.

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          Yeah I used to work in a chip company many years ago and we had rad hardened chips that had special outer packages instead of the normal consumer ones at a minimum. They’re typically used for space stuff. Still not sure how well they’d hold up in Chernobyl in fairness.

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        That’s very interesting. Robots are less resistant to radiation than humans? So when robots take the jobs of people, production is made more vulnerable to nuclear weapons?

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          Humans are, in general, absurdly robust. You can absolutely mess them up, and they will keep chugging along for a while before breaking down. Not to mention their almost frightening ability to make a full recovery from horrendous injuries.

          Most robots/machines will be more or less completely disabled by a faulty connection, clogged valve, or torn hydraulic line. Sure, you can shield them more, but for stuff like radiation, dust, and harsh environments that cause gradual degradation, you’re going to have a very hard time beating the resilience of humans.

          Bleep Bloop… it is clearly advantageous that we use humans to operate in harsh environments rather that robots… Bleep Ding.

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            And don’t forget cheaper!

            Which is why its imperative that little Timmy is sent to the mines despite all the risks and occupational health hazard that will eventually kill them.

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            it is clearly advantageous that we use humans to operate in harsh environments rather that robots

            Robots were sent into the Chernobyl reactor and they stopped working immadiately. Gamma radiation fries circuits.

            in the end, they sacrificed soldiers above dumping sacks of cement, and miners below laying a foundation to stop the core melting into the earth.

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          It also means humans will be progressively pushed into the most dangerous jobs because the robot circuitry can’t cope with harsh environments. The easy cushy jobs will go to the robots.

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            Could be some exceptions.

            Off the top of my head: Anything with poisonous gases. Anything where there’s a RISK of an explosion or something (so the robots would work before the explosion; this is kinda already a thing with bomb disposal robots, isn’t it?). Etc.

            So for sure anything nuclear will have to be human, but there could be other environments where robots survive, but humans won’t.

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          in a way. Cell damage can be repaired when it occurs in low amounts and even broken DNA strands can be fixed by the machinery in our cells. Most importantly, our systems are very much redundant on a cellular level, losing a few cells is not so much of an issue, since we lose cells every day anyways. Computers have nearly no redundancy; in some cases, a single bit flipped by a gamma ray can cause a system crash in any computer. There is stuff like ECC for memory which helps, but even that isn’t foolproof. Computers for space missions outside of earths magnetosphere are designed to make sure the density of components isn’t too high, with lots of error correction code, backups and a lot of lead shielding, which equals lower performance.

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            I think you are both overestimating the ability of biological systems and underestimating the ability of mechanical systems to be repaired.

            Biological systems have incredible self-repair capabilities, but are otherwise largely unrepairable. To fix issues with biological systems you mostly have to work within the bounds of those self-repair mechanisms which are slow, poorly understood and rather limited.

            Loosing a few skin cells is perfectly normal. Corrupting a few skin cells can cancer cancers or autoimmune disorders. Loosing a few Purkinje cells can lead to significant motor impairment and death.

            Computers, and mechanical systems in general, can have a shit ton of redundancy. You mention ECC, but neglected to mention the layers of error connection, BIST, and redundancy that even the cheap, broken, cost-optimized, planned obsolescence consumer crap that most people are mostly familiar with make heavy use of.

            A single bit flipped by a gamma ray will not cause any sort of issue in any modern computer. I cannot overstate how often this and other memory errors happen. A double bit flip can cause issues in a poorly designed system and, again, are not just caused by cosmic rays. However, it’s not usually that hard to have multiple redundancies if that is a concern, such as with high altitude, extreme environment, highly miniaturized, etc. objects. It does increase cost and complexity though so____

            The huge benefit of mechanical systems is they are fully explainable and replaceable. CPU get a bunch of radiation and seems to be acting a bit weird? Replace it! Motor burnt out? Replace it! The new system will be good as new or better.

            You can’t do that in a biological system. Even with autografts (using the person’s own tissues for “replacements”) the risk of scarring, rejection and malignancy remains fairly high and doesn’t result in “good as new” outcome, but is somewhere between ‘death’ and ‘minor permanent injury’. Allografts (doner tissues) often need lifelong medications and maintenance to not fail, and even “minor” transplants carry the risk of infection, necrosis and death.

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              That study doesn’t seem to support the point you’re trying to use it to support. First it’s talking about machines with error correcting RAM, which most consumer devices don’t have. The whole point of error correcting RAM is that it tolerates a single bit flip in a memory cell and can detect a second one and, e.g. trigger a shutdown rather than the computer just doing what the now-incorrect value tells it to (which might be crashing, might be emitting an incorrect result, or might be something benign). Consumer devices don’t have this protection (until DDR5, which can fix a single bit flip, but won’t detect a second, so it can still trigger misbehaviour). Also, the data in the tables gives figures around 10% for the chance of an individual device experiencing an unrecoverable error per year, which isn’t really that often, especially given that most software is buggy enough that you’d be lucky to use it for a year with only a 10% chance of it doing something wrong.

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                it’s talking about machines with error correcting RAM, which most consumer devices don’t have.

                It’s a paper from 2009 talking about “commodity servers” with ECC protection. Even back then it was fairly common and relatively cheap to implement though it was more often integrated into the CPU and/or memory controller. Since 2020 with DDR5 it’s mandatory to be integrated into the memory as well.

                gives figures around 10% for the chance of an individual device experiencing an unrecoverable error per year, which isn’t really that often

                Yes, that’s my point. Your claim of “computers have nearly no redundancy” is complete bullshit.

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                  It wasn’t originally my claim - I replied to your comment as I was scrolling past because it had a pair of sentences that seemed dodgy, so I clicked the link it cited as a source, and replied when the link didn’t support the claim.

                  Specifically, I’m referring to

                  A single bit flipped by a gamma ray will not cause any sort of issue in any modern computer. I cannot overstate how often this and other memory errors happen.

                  This just isn’t correct:

                  • loads of modern computers don’t use DDR5 or ECC variants of older generations at all, so don’t have any error-correcting memory. If the wrong bit flips, they just crash.
                  • loads of modern computers don’t exclusively use DDR5, e.g. graphics memory (which didn’t have error correction until GDDR7 but can still cause serious problems, e.g. if a bit flips in a command buffer and makes the GPU write back to the wrong address in main memory, overwriting something important), and various caches (SRAM is vulnerable to bit flips from various kinds of radiation, too). If the wrong bit flips, they just crash.
                  • Compared to other computer problems that can put the wrong data into memory, like experiencing a bug because a programmer made a mistake, or even just a part wearing out from age, memory errors are really rare, so anything implying normal people need to care is thoroughly overstating their prevalence.
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      You can know that isn’t the case because a Nazi salute would be encouraged by Musk, not shut it down.