Rapid Response 47 is another Trump white alt spewing racist shit
I mean really the Catholics with the simulated blood guzzling and flesh eating rituals should just STFU.
Especially many american catholics (even priests) just outright defying the pope. THE POPE, BISHOP OF ROME, IS LITTERLY YOUR MAIN GUY SECOND TO GOD ACCORDING TO YOUR DOCTRINE. Ugh these kind of religiouse people are the worst, no matter which religion
The ones who try to claim they didn’t vote for him tho…you can’t script that level of hilarity
To be fair infighting is a long standing Catholic tradition.
Back then the pope was also a wordly ruler so things were different
simulated blood guzzling and flesh eating
It’s grape juice and crackers, calm down.
The Catholics genuinely believe it’s the body and blood of Christ after the priest does his ritual. I went to a Catholic school and can confirm this.
The Catholics generally accept that Transubstantiation is a thing they’re supposed to believe in.
If you hold up a cracker to an actual practicing Catholic and you demand to see proof that the bread is now human flesh, they’ll just shrug at you and say “You don’t get it, man”. It’s Woo-Woo. We all know it’s Woo-Woo. The fact that the Papacy refused to acknowledge a ritualized metaphor for what it is doesn’t obligate the rest of the congregation to be more than flippantly obtuse.
Lol you are institutionalizing the hypocrisy
I’m not sure you understand what either of those words mean.
Go have a cracker and Welch’s grape and ruminate on it. Or, genuflect if you prefer.
I’m being told by Lemmy that this makes me a cannibal
I’m here to point out that they believe it’s not simulated. Catholics specifically believe that it is literally transformed into flesh and blood.
Jfc I didn’t realize that
It’s called transubstantiation, and it has been scientifically proven to be real. We have already sequenced Christ’s DNA, and China is supposedly secretly trying to clone him as we speak. This decade is just going to keep getting weirder.
I bet this guy is on it
Can’t, uh, can’t tell if this is sarcastic
You really can’t? Come on now
Someone who genuinely believes this stuff would say the exact same type of things, so… No, I can’t. And it’s not some personal failing, it’s cause I have no idea who that is to calibrate expectations against.
I will say that “We did science on the cracker and proved it is Jesus” feels far more Protestant than Catholic.
Catholics would be reading you 16th century poetry and laying out a convoluted metaphor, then rolling their eyes and sighing before insisting “Its a Sacred Mystery, I am legally obligated to say I believe it is real”. We’re all writing letters to the Pope to politely ask that we can drop this kayfabe shit in Vatican III. But until then, Transubstantiation is real please stop asking further questions.
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Protestants are the secularized majority, and catholics are the weirdo extremists
Protestants have always been flirting with secularization. That’s sort of their brand. They take a scope of rationalist scientific inquiry and mix it in with a scope of Christian mysticism, then try to logic their way to Salvation by doing math on scripture. Incidentally, not unlike how a lot of Kabbalist Jews try to force the Talmud through a Renaissance Era series of tubes.
Sometimes you can pop out the back side more zanny than the Catholicism you started with (doggedly insisting in 6000 year old Earth based on doing Biblical genealogy). Sometimes you come out as Prosperity Gospel types who have wrapped the pastiche of Christianity around the machinery of capitalist market enterprise. Sometimes you do Liberation Theology and turn into a far-left socialist radical. But for a lot of Protestants, its just an exercise in Cafeteria Catholicism. Take the bits you like, discard the bits you don’t, and rewrite the old scriptures in your own modern image.
When the Romans persecuted Christians, cannibalism was one of the accusations levied against them, because taking it seriously leads pretty naturally to that conclusion.
I dont think i would mind. I love the church bells from down the street
Either is fucking annoying. I don’t want to listen to your religious bullshit. Keep it inside the building.
agreed, as long as we aren’t using “noise pollution” to go against a specific minority.
Also I lived down the street from this. It’s not even that loud. I never heard it when I was living there.
Oh, also Minneapolis never burned to the ground. Like right wing people think.
None of the US cities are anything like what they’ve been led to believe.
It’s different because the Islamic call to prayer turns you TRANS
Arabic is scary :(
/s
Especially the way they write numbers… Eww
Did you hear that Mandani supports teaching Arabic numerals in elementary schools!?
I hate both, just shut up.
Everyone who wants to listen to a prayer can stream it on their headphones. Leave everyone else out of your bullshit
It isn’t the medieval times anymore. It’s already noisy af as it is.
Agree, they can broadcast of a community radio channel or use an app.
I live next to a Mosque in Europe. The call to prayer is super chill and notably less invasive than church bells.
Church bells cut through double glazing. Call to prayer does not.
Idk, bells sounding the hour are basically like any clock to me (I like clocks so I’m biased). Spoken prayer over a loud speaker is much more invasive imo.
Sounds like you never lived next to a church that will ring their whole bell Assembly for half an hour at a time every Sunday and holiday
The clocks rings are just a extra service. The main reason churches have bells is too tell everyone to move their asses to church
Lived a block away from a Catholic church for several years. Bells did not ring for half an hour, but I do remember them ringing a little longer for some holidays.
I guess other Catholic churches handle it differently?
Might have been a bit of a hyperbole, but I’ve had them go on for at least 15min when I was living near one. And especially when you want to sleep on a Sunday, it feels a lot longer
It’s different because it’s not a bell, and it’s not white people making the noise. Stupid question.
It isn’t. Both things are dumb, but in order to live in a free society, we have to let people be dumb, even if it’s not our specific kind of dumb.
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what? they’re both announcements that it’s prayer time. neither are themselves prayers
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Meh I feel opposite. Both are a cultural thing. Let people have some semblance of a community.
Community can be achieved without treating patent nonsense as fact.
Yeah, freedom but only to only make the correct choices is just a tyranny that thinks itself benevolent. I don’t like cigarettes but I oppose their full ban, just amoratize the long term cost to the government of that pack and slap it on as a tax. A call to prayer for a religion we don’t practice has no cost to society and therefore while it may be annoying it’s none of our businesses unless it becomes so disruptive it actually hinders others (like say, if it were every 10 minutes and so loud it can’t be spoken over).
5 times a day actually
Well… OK, since we’re asking the question, they are the same conceptually, both being a call to religious observance generally.
Practically they are not the same, as the church bells should be ringing for service once per week, rather than multiple times per day.
So you don’t live near a church, right?
Are you referring to church bells that ring for the time of day? I don’t think that qualifies as a religious observance.
Angelus, ninth, … Every day.
Ah, no, I’ve never been around any church that does that. That would be annoying too.
Some churches ring three times a day for daily prayer. Dunno how common that is in the US.
Both fullfil the same role, just because one prays more often than the other makes them not inherently different. Neither in theory nore practise
The other sounds off way more frequently and it’s subjective but the amplified sound of someone yelling vs. bells just seems way worse
You have two alarm clocks in your room. one rings every monday morning. The other every 5 minutes. They are different and will affect you differently. One will make you stressed and the other will drive you insane. Frequenzy tend to matter for noise makers.
Huh?
LOL at these fucks that don’t even live in the USA being paid to troll Americans and sew division.
Come to Dearborn if you want to hear the call to prayer and while you are at it, stop your fucking crying “RussianResponse 47”
The difference is that some mosques use some shitty ass loud speaker and the guy doing the call can’t hold a note. Like it’s fine if they only do it once a week but a daily call is just way too much. Like church bells are annoying too but at least the sound is way more pleasant. Seriously if Muslims in the west want to be more accepted they need to take into account that they live in a non-Muslim majority country and non-muslims do not need the call to prayer and many find it annoying as hell. Acceptance and tolerance is a two way street, can’t just force other people to accept your traditions if you aren’t willing to accommodate to their traditions too. Like even many churches in my western country have stopped ringing the bells frequently.
Fajr is too damn early!
Seriously if Muslims in the west want to be more accepted they need to take into account that they live in a non-Muslim majority country and non-muslims do not need the call to prayer and many find it annoying as hell.
Something related and complex is that in turkey, the call to prayer used to be in turkish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_adhanNow, the theological arguments on this are very complex (all Qurans must have the original arabic in order to stop arguments over translation, etc), but it would be interesting to hear the call to prayer in english.
I now deeply want to hear the call to prayer sung in English in a heavy Minnesotan accent. Any accent really. LA, Texan, Georgian (state, not country; you know what, either).
Yeah and the morning call to prayer can be a bit much when you’re trying to sleep in.
It feels like it should be possible to have an app on your phone that will make the all of the religious sounds you need to hear, so not sure why it needs to be blasted throughout a neighbourhood. In the past when people had no way of knowing when it was time to go to the Mosque, having a sound everyone in a town could hear made sense, but you really don’t need to wake up the entire neighbourhood at 6am to let a small number of people in that community know it’s time to pray.
This is a time when understanding what Islam truly is is of the upmost importance.
It is the 2nd most likely direction humanity might go.
