Nationalities are just a convenient scape goat for everyone to point fingers at.
The real problems stem from a billionaire and multi millionaire class that absolutely does not want any kind of democratic government system to develop and to destroy any signs of it everywhere else.
All those billionaire and multi millionaire class owners have absolutely no care if their passports say America, UK, Russia or China … they couldn’t give a shit which nation they align with as long as their wealth is always protected.
Just look at all the wars that are being fought right now … governments are more willing to sacrifice people and soldiers rather than in affecting the wealth of anyone on any side of the conflict.
If they wanted to stop wars, they would shut down financial systems completely and starve one side of the conflict or the other until someone submitted. But they’d rather throw human bodies into the fray than in even considering touching the bottom line of a billionaire, regardless of which side of the war they are on.
Everybody Sucks Here.
Stop trying to blame Russia, blame capitalism. I hate putin as much as you (probably more because I can’t live in my own house, or visit my parents, all because of him), but it is your ruling class at fault and not some russian influence. Whatever putin could do is inconsequential compared to the wealth and influence the 20 richest people of your empire.
Your billionaires have decided that trump and fascism is the most beneficial choice for them at present, it is truly that simple. What you are witnessing right now is a natural outcome of a capitalist system, as intended by your racist proto-nazi founding fathers.
You are describing an oligarchy, or maybe plutocracy.
Yes, that is correct. And it is also an accurate description of that shithole between Canada and Mexico.
Sorry to say, but the whole world is pretty much fascist. Even the most progressive countries have ever widening income inequality along with the majority of their policies written by corporations.
Both can be true?
I can agree to that.
Whatever putin could do is inconsequential compared to the wealth and influence the 20 richest people of your empire.
Are you suggesting that $20k in Facebook ads didn’t decide the result of a $4B election season?
Sounds like Russian propaganda to me
It can be two things. Read this or anything else about Cambridge Analytica to get a sense of the difference between what they were doing and the same hack political radio ad hour after hour.
Trump’s ties to russia are many and varied, going back forty-plus years. It’s all been documented in Proof of Conspiracy, Mueller found collusion; these are not hypotheticals. It’s a known part of the current befuckdedness.
Is it the ONLY part? No. But it starts there and it stays there.
Trump’s ties to russia are many and varied
Trump’s ties to the Italian Mafia are stronger. He’s a second generation fence and money launderer who made a fortune helping to move money out of Eastern Europe back in the 90s.
But he’s an American creation who worked on behalf of American institutions. That’s why he’s tied up with Guliani, Bloomberg, Clinton, and Epstein.
The tunnel vision liberals have with Russia ignores a rich vein of corruption for one of its more salacious and partisan tributaries.
Trump’s ties to the Italian Mafia are stronger.
We’re probably splitting hairs, but - what? I haven’t heard that before but I’ve heard a LOT about the russian angle. (we seem to converge on Eastern Europe though)
what? I haven’t heard that before
It was bigger news back in 2016
The picture shows that Trump’s career has benefited from a decades-long and largely successful effort to limit and deflect law enforcement investigations into his dealings with top mobsters, organized crime associates, labor fixers, corrupt union leaders, con artists and even a one-time drug trafficker whom Trump retained as the head of his personal helicopter service.
The Russia connection was minor by comparison, and largely a result of Trump’s status as a lynchpin in NY crime.
I think that DCJ piece is good, and clearly ‘mob’ connections are rife, but outside of that early-80’s wash of Roy Cohn and the ready-mix concrete guys, there’s not a lot more specific to Italian mafia.
I read that Giuliani’s ‘cleanup’ of Italian mobsters allowed in the russians which was duly appreciated. Early 80s is the same time the Kremlin started to keep tabs on Trump, giving him a tour and business opportunities then.
Felix Sater, Michael Cohen, Rybolovlev and others who consistently and repeatedly appear in any honest accounting of his blatantly illegal dealings.
Unger’s account of infiltration also exposes how Trump’s financial entanglements laid the groundwork for this betrayal. In the 1980s, as Trump struggled with debt from failing casinos and overextended real estate ventures, Soviet-linked financiers appeared, flush with cash.
Deals involving Trump Tower properties drew in shadowy buyers connected to Russian organized crime and intelligence fronts. Even when Western banks deemed him too risky, new Russian-linked money never seemed to dry up. Each transaction pulled him closer into Moscow’s orbit.
By the time the Soviet Union collapsed, Russian oligarchs kept the pipeline open, ensuring that Trump’s business empire would survive—and remain beholden to foreign backers whose first loyalty was to the Kremlin. (via)
So while there certainly were ties to Italian mafia, his later business and almost all of his political life is awash in russian mob ties. Given that russia is run by mafias-within-mafias that’s not so surprising, is it.
outside of that early-80’s wash of Roy Cohn and the ready-mix concrete guys
The article goes significantly farther than ready-mix concrete. Trump was in tight with the Gambino family, among other mob affiliates and organizations.
I read that Giuliani’s ‘cleanup’ of Italian mobsters allowed in the russians which was duly appreciated. Early 80s is the same time the Kremlin started to keep tabs on Trump, giving him a tour and business opportunities then.
It ties out with a shift in policy from Cold Era Italy being a major bridge between NATO agencies in the West and their informants/operators in the East. Post-collapse, Sicily was old news since you could march your goons directly into St. Petersburg and Moscow to commence the looting.
But Trump’s roll as a money launderer and fixer remains consistent during the transition.
So while there certainly were ties to Italian mafia, his later business and almost all of his political life is awash in russian mob ties.
His primary ties were to US and German lenders, with black market business interests using his properties to clean their ill-gotten gains. The flood of money and refugees coming out of Eastern Europe following the post-Soviet crash changed the composition of his criminal clients. His roll in legitimizing the looting through financialization did not.
Cambridge Analytica
UK group and Facebook profit maximization is not Russia. Blaming the pure establishment corruption of democracy on Russia is just partisan whining for more establishment warmongering.
It could be two things! But it isn’t lol
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Cambridge Analytica is a good place to start. Previously:
- IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Matt Taibbi: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Aaron Maté: Under Trump, the CIA is still covering up its Russiagate fraud
- Matt Taibbi: Note on New Trump-Russia Disclosures Thanks to explosive new document releases, the Russiagate hoax is now exposed, commencing a new era that will be about accountability for the guilty
- Matt Taibbi: No Doubt Left: Russiagate Was a Cover-Up
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away The cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.
Those archive.today links didn’t work for me, but that could just be me. The “studies” are opinions otherwise and if you want to pick one, I’ll kick it apart but I’m not going to go through all of them.
I was with you until last half of the last sentence.
Racist, sure. “proto-nazi”? Who and why? One example would be great, I don’t understand the connection.
Without having to click links it’s basically this; Hitler had a Hardon for American Exceptionalism and shit, Nazis are based on American ideas just taken to the extreme.
So hence proto as in precursor to the Nazis.
Thanks for the description! When I think ‘founding fathers’ I’m thinking of the literal dudes who wrote and signed the US constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I didn’t see any connections for the term to that time period in American history.
You mean the guys that literally genocided native peoples? That wrote into the constitution that black people were worth less? That only rich land-owning people should be allowed representation?..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_and_slavery
Do you even care to do a bit of research?
Capitalism is a form of authoritarianism. Its anti free market and anti personal freedoms. It uses power to gain more power and control.
Stop trying to blame Russia
No.
blame capitalism.
We can do both, but one of them has a more defined paper trail.
We can do both, but one of them has a more defined paper trail.
Capitalism’s trail of blood in your country goes back to its founding. It is incredibly well-defined and has been studied a lot (except they won’t tell you about it in school or many universities).
And if you want a more concrete link between capitalism and trump, look at inauguration footage again, or look at campaign contributions.
Russia’s entire state budget was less than revenue of just Apple in 2024. If your ruling class didn’t want trump, he wouldn’t be a president right now.
If your ruling class didn’t want trump, he wouldn’t be a president right now.
You’re projecting. Maybe YOU can’t be nudged towards an ideology by propaganda, but millions of people can. They can be tricked.
Until you realize that, it’s not going to get any better.
The propaganda is coming from inside the imperialist house. Fox isn’t owned by some Russian billionaire.
Uh yeah, okay
Exhibit A: USian prompted to interrogate their internalized racism
So, y’all just say whatever comes to mind and pretend it’s a real thing, huh? Cool.
It’s because you called out russia. Now the tankies are here to defend them and blame capitalism for everything.
The NYT found no clear evidence of that though.
😆
Delusional
At this point, I can’t see any other reason you’d stick to blaming “the russians” for the state of your country. Even if putin has kompromat on trump, putin is not the reason republicans hold all three branches of your government.
Again, it’s not just “the russians” but so many of you are jumping out of your seats about it.
So many of you from .ml that is.
Curious.
Log off and go read a book kiddo
The notion that your “Trump and the GOP are Russian assets” conspiracy theory has a “more defined paper trail” than the countless volumes of work done by thousands of historians, philosophers, economists, and scientists, going back hundreds of years regarding the depravity of American capitalism is just downright laughable.
What are you even trying to say here? Are you seriously saying the Russia/Trump connection is more well understood than the pitfalls of American Capitalism?
If Trump is a Russian asset, why didnt the US pull out of NATO months ago? Why was Trump shipping Jevlins by the truckload to Ukraine at the beginning of the war? Why is Trump’s entire schtick that NATO (Russia’s primary adversary) needs to increase spending (which it has, in record amounts)?
If Russia is blamed for Trump’s election, we avoid the unpleasant reality of our failed democratic institutions and decaying empire. We avoid facing the inevitable rise of a Christianised fascism borne out of widespread impoverishment, rage, despair and abandonment. We avoid acknowledging the complicity of the Democratic Party in the orchestration of the largest social inequality in our nation’s history, the evisceration of our basic civil liberties, endless wars and an electoral system bankrolled by the billionaire class, which is legalised bribery. The myth allows us to believe that Democratic politicians, like the establishment Republicans who have joined them, are the guarantors of a democracy they destroyed.
All the investigations into Trump’s ties with Russia are unequivocal. There was no collusion. The Steele dossier, financed at first by Republican opponents of Trump and later by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and compiled by former MI6 British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, was a fake. The charges in the dossier — which included reports of Trump receiving a ‘golden shower’ from prostituted women in a Moscow hotel room and claims that Trump and the Kremlin had ties going back five years — were discredited by the FBI. Sources, including the one that claimed Trump had long-held ties to the Kremlin, turned out to be fabricated. Special Counsel Robert S Mueller concluded that his investigation ‘did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.’ Mueller did not indict or accuse anyone of criminally conspiring with Russia.
- Chris Hedges
You should have to pass an iq test before being allowed to post.
How’d you get in? Know somebody?
Make your own lemmy instance and show us how its done! The beauty of the fediverse…
They’re literally turning America into Russia and the bootlicks are cheering it on calling it “manly” when cucking for a makeup wearing pedofile is the least “manly” thing one can do….pathetic
Now that’s a way to offend a Russian. Look, you’ve even made Yulia cry
Honestly, I’d rather be called kacap, moskal and ruzky all day than be in any way associated with the maga crowd.
Are those slurs against Russians? I’ve never heard those before.
Yup. First two are Ukrainian and latter I think is more popular in the Baltics. But honestly neither really feels as offensive as the n-word or the “khokhol”, and I’m not sure whether that’s a good or bad thing.
Yeah, kinda like “honkey” or “cracker” for white people then? Like yeah they’re slurs, but they won’t ruin my day if someone called me one.
Yeah, pretty much. Moskal in Russian means a resident of Moscow, with a slight derogatory undertone where -al ending which is common with a few words meaning a bunch of bad/insignificant things, like паль, шваль, падаль. To get the proper meaning of it one has to dive like 500 years into history of ancient Rus with Moscow and Kiyv dutchies, so it doesn’t work that well. Kacap I’m not sure, wiki says it comes from either Ukrainian for goat or asshole, or Arabic for butcher, which, tbh, sounds kinda badass. Ruzki is like mincing of “ruski”, which is literally how we call ourself, and “ruzzian” instead of “russian”, but it sounds like a clumsy attempt to be offensive tbh. If you want to offend a slav just call him a “pidor”, which is what both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers actually use on frontline use to call enemies. It’s means “gay”, but, like, not all gays are pidors, but all pidors are definitely gay as well as being complete motherfuckers, that kind of vibe.
When You call the other side crazy so you don’t n have to debate them…and just keep loosing elections and supporters 🥱
Have you seen anyone “debate” them?
They don’t “debate”. And since you don’t know that I assume you’re from one of the old countries where that’s still a thing?
I know it shouldn’t respond to you, but… its more like should you consider some of the other sides points vs saying they bad we good. H More than half the country is right wing now because the left is so unpalatable and exhausting.
We gotta stop loosing elections and calling everyone nazis. More and more the left is loosing needlessly because of echo chamber bs.
Yeah, we have loose elections based off of the insane corporate $$ influence.
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What to me will never stop being funny is that the group that was the most anti-red, the group that would happily end someone’s carreer over some faint implied relationship to Russians, that always was the self proclaimed redski hunter, the group that always talked about bombing some freedom into dictators…
That group
That group is the same group that now went fully behind a fascist dictator wannabe who is controlled by a Russian actual dictator
It goes to show, this group, the Republicans, the conservatives, they have no ethics or morals, the leaders will say or do anything to stay in power, lie, steal, cheat, and their supporters are mostly either dumb or racist, mostly both
And they’ll never stop making sure you know what they’re thinking, they are the prototype loud mouthed arrogant “we’re number one babey, yeeaaaahhh!!!” Americans
Fucking pathetic
They want the Confederacy back. As in an oligarchy with slaves based on race. Modern day Russia is pretty close to that, as were a lot of the Latin American dictatorships, which they also supported.
The main issue with the Soviets in their eyes, was that the Soviets at least pretended to have some decent values. Something, which they despise in other groups as well. Take for example the Democrats.
Your first point makes no sense when everyone knows Russia hasn’t been red for nearly a generation.
Not to imply that he’s a swell guy, but Putin is neither fascist nor a dictator. Regardless of whatever election irregularities, he really has been popular throughout his tenure. And for good reason: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country, whom Yeltsin let in. It’s still a capitalist shithole, but at least it’s their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
Tankies hit this thread hard, you said something bad about ruzzia. Tankies to the defense!
Right?
We’re right as usual, cry about it patriot
Will do tankie
I know
be fucking serious right now. this is not “saying something bad about russia”, it’s squarely putting all the blame of america being shit on a foreign country.
like no, i think the reason the us is fascist now has more to do with the economic interests of billionaires as well as the racial interests of white colonizers than it has with foreign interference.
stop acting like your country was a perfect haven of progress and was perverted by external forces. the usa has always been awful, it’s just that its ideological rot has just been made more obvious to you now.
The EU which is often shown as the most progressive countries on the planet, has right wing bullshit coming in hard core. You gonna suggest that’s just internal and not foreign actors pushing the division?
Never said the usa was a perfect haven of anything. I’m pointing out that russia has had a big role in creating division in countries for a while now, not just in the USA. Then you have a bunch of tankies coming out with “but usa” deflection.
You gonna suggest that’s just internal and not foreign actors pushing the division?
Yes! Because all of these countries are experiencing similar economic conditions, and ideologies are driven by material conditions!
Lol yea and russia and china are the victims got it. Tankie somewhere else
I’m sorry that reality has a tankie bias.
ROFL
You tankies only exist on the net because anyone who hears the shit that you spew out of your mouths in the real world just take you for insane people.
You’re losing and you know it, online and in real life
The EU which is often shown as the most progressive countries on the planet
Are you fucking kidding me? Have you completely erased the Palestinian genocide from your mind? Europe is ACTIVELY FUNDING A GENOCIDE. What in the fuck are you talking about
That has nothing to do with being progressive or not champ.
Wrong
SuPpOrTiNg A gEnOcIdE iS so pRoGrEsSiVe
China -uyghurs…tankies - not genocide
Russia - Circassian…tankies -not genocide
I’ll say it again, supporting Israel is shit, but that doesn’t magically make the EU less progressive.
“Europe is very progressive because I’ve made up a genocide in China!”
You’re also sorely mistaken if you think tankies consider Russia progressive.
Delusional
The EU which is often shown as the most progressive countries on the planet
europe is responsible for perhaps the greatest crime in human history, and still benefitting from it, but, sure. the rise of the far right is because of russia. suuuuuure.
Yea because those people are still alive today still taking over other countries…
Ever heard about what France is doing in Africa right now? Or who bought up most of the corporations and rights to mine precious resources in Ukraine? Or how the entire global order is organised?
Yea cause china and russia aren’t doing shit in Africa. Lol
“Whatabout the thing the other guy might be doing” pathetic
The EU which is often shown as the most progressive countries on the planet, has right wing bullshit coming in hard core. You gonna suggest that’s just internal and not foreign actors pushing the division?
That is the inevitable decline of capitalism into its natural end stage.
Yes and the inevitable decline of communism is dictatorships and people starving to death in labor camps
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
You tankies are some fucking hilarious children.
Lol @ “children” from someone as gullible as one, more projection
So many Russian misinfo apologists itt
Anti-fascism has absolutely nothing to gain from dumb lib conspiracies.
What are you rebellious colonies up to now
Labeling everyone as ‘traitors’ might feel satisfying, but it kills any chance of persuasion. Better to stick to specific actions/evidence and hold those accountable.
Most Republicans hate Russia and Putin. So this makes sense.
I really agree with you. Divisive language will only get us more division.
None of this is simple, and anyone blaming a single source or calling it simple is trying to mislead.
