I am tired of this world, these people. I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.
I hope Biden runs again in 2028 to fix this back up.
He might be a zombie by then. It would still be a step up.
obama will really break thier minds, if trump runs a 3rd time, so can he.
The initial plans for the third term were published a while ago. They structured it specifically to prevent Obama from starting. I think it was something like “only if the third term immediately proceeds the second”, or some such. Although, given the current political climate, and how passive the Democrats are, they might as well just pen in “must be white” and be done with it.
I hope that’s a joke; the elderly shouldn’t be in charge.
Ageist. But obviously they mean Hunter.
They said “runs again”
Do you think Americans were not bombing brown people when Democrats were in power? Didn’t Obama get a Nobel Peace Prize while having a top score in drone kill strikes? Lol. The empire is evil and murderous, regardless of who’s playing the part of the leader.
This was about starting wars for oil though
Oil, regime change, minerals, or simply to feed the MIC, all are valid reasons for America/the West to go ahead and murder innocents unscrupulously. 😔
Nobody was saying that though
Sure, but does the reason matter when Americans murder all year round regardless? It’s for power, that’s all, and Republicans are horrible, disgusting people, sure, but for the rest of the world Dems are basically the same since they also have innocent blood on their hands. This “when Reps are in everything is shit but not when Dems are in” is part of the issue in America. The reality is that the ideological basis of America is fucked, always was, a group of self-centered violent maniacs who believe in nothing but their own comfort and have historically behaved like murderous beasts, and it doesn’t change because you have some charming brown dude in power instead of some decrepit blond dude with jowls.
I mean it matters when it comes to this particular meme
Okay okay, fair enough. 👍
Obama was awarded the Nobel only nine months into his first term, so he hadn’t really had the chance to rack up the requisite number of war crimes to be awarded the peace prize.
They believed in him and, from what I recall, he did his job thoroughly (something like 500+ drone strikes? Wasn’t there one at a wedding too?). Yes we can! 😂 These people are fucking monsters, lol.
And then came trump, in first weeks, tripling the rate of drone bombing kills, and to solve that, he ordered the publishing of drone bombing stats be silenced. So now both sides in the purple party bubble can think their side the angels. … Or at least, lesser evils. Ready to give their vote to evil come the next pseudo-election, with a clean conscience, as the candidates furnish their minds with fresh promises of ending wars, and so on…
… Something’s broken in people’s brains for continuing to fall for it.
We aren’t both-sidesing this, are we?
Obama was a breath of fresh air on the international stage and widely respected, globally for good reason. It was clear to anyone paying even half attention that he was confronting powerful forces.
Couple points of fact to mention:
- Obama used drone strikes, yes.
- These Drone Strikes are orders of magnitude more precise with far less collateral damage than traditional warfare strategies used by his predecessors.
- Obama passed an executive order making these drone strikes transparent to the public, understanding the danger.
- Trump came in and reversed that transparency, making them classified.
- Obama’s civilian death toll is significantly less than Trump’s first term alone.
By the way:
- Nearly all dissenting opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan originated from Democrats or Independents who caucused with Democrats for good reason.
- Nearly all later dissent came from this side as well.
- A Democrat is the one who actually got us out of Iraq
- A Democrat is the one who actually got us out of Afghanistan
- A Democrat is the one who actually stayed on task to eliminate Bin Laden.
Republicans start wars; Democrats usually get them out. Perfect? No. But there is a very, very clear trend.
Getting tired of seeing this false equivalence nonsense.
Yeah, Obama ran cover for his predecessor’s war crimes too. Adopted his policies. Made them his own, accelerated them.
Before Biden, Obama had the record of most deportations per term. Biden actually built Trump’s border wall, and beat Obama’s deportation record.
I’m tired of pretending the centrist, corporate Democrats are “left” of anything but Nazis.
There is not a single quantifiable mark you can place that Republicans aren’t exceedingly worse on, in every respect. The two proverbial poisons are nowhere near equal potency; and it always amuses me that these armchair leaders would’ve reacted especially nobly if they were in the hot-seat and privy to the intelligence Obama was. I look forward to their run for office.
Deportation number is irrelevant; the methodology is of course what matters. Obama prioritized violent offenders, for example; he also did not separate mothers from children the same way Trump did. Literally no pro-immigrant advocacy group would trade what Biden or Obama did for what Trump is doing right now.
MuH BoTh SiDes false equivalence fallacies are easy for the mind to comprehend, but when you actually examine with any particular depth and nuance, they tend to fall apart.
Your entire series of comments basically boils down to: “Democrats are the lesser of two evils!!”
The person responding is saying that they’re still both, you know, evil.
Evil is a biblical term based on bullshit. If I’m forced to consume one of two poisons but one has less potency or lethality than the other, I’m taking the less potent one. Obviously.
Would I prefer to take neither? Sure. But we don’t live in a fairy-tale utopia where that is an option.
This user ended up agreeing by the way with that assessment.
There is not a single quantifiable mark you can place that Republicans aren’t exceedingly worse on, in every respect
And Democrats rush to accept their terms without considering the voters, any principles, or even practicality.
They haven’t had a real primary for the Presidential candidate since 2008. Here is your one Mark. I’m begrudged to give the Red Team that much, but your Blue Team is what it is.
Its not a false equivalence to say the following: yes, your shit team is better than literal Nazis, but that’s still not calling anyone good.
What are your thoughts on Mamdani? Are you a “Blue No Matter Who” voter in this context, or only without him? If Democrats want to win, he’s got a model that works. I’m scared that the party insiders demand Ezra Klein’s Reaganism repackaged in New Age “law of attraction”-pretending-to-be-Economics.
What are your thoughts on Mamdani? Are you a “Blue No Matter Who” voter in this context, or only without him? If Democrats want to win, he’s got a model that works. I’m scared that the party insiders demand Ezra Klein’s Reaganism repackaged in New Age “law of attraction”-pretending-to-be-Economics.
Couldn’t agree more, honestly. I am pretty progressive-left and have much criticism of Democrats, much like Sanders or AOC do. I embrace the Fight Oligarchy movement; I denounce the Third Way enlightened centrism at every turn. Schumer, Jeffries, Martin need to go. Pelosi’s seat needs to be taken by Chakrabarti and not some AIPAC centrist puppet. Major reforms must happen between now and through Primaries season. And yes, I absolutely cheer Mamdani on and hope he suceeds. Agreed, Ezra is basically as useless as Bill Maher.
But years ago I swear to fuck I was one of the first to use the term Pragmatic Progressive" title, in noting that I would vote for Sanders but vote for Hillary and vote for several other candidates ahead of Harris or Biden in 2020, but still vote for Biden; still voted for Harris even though I wished for something different. Why? Because the reality is that in a binary choice election — and my ultimate point in this discussion on Biden and Obama — they were objectively, logically, by every qualitative and quantifiable measure the better choice. I do not subscribe to the deeply selfish ideologies of accelerationism or nihilism that would see others like my children or anyone else’s suffer as a sacrifice to meet another’s ends, either.
I of course am not alone in that damage-control assessment; after all, the likes of Bernie and AOC adhere to the same principle.
I apologize for coming out strong on this. I’ve just seen so many people try to act like Obama wasn’t a genuinely good person trying to do his best but confronting forces or failing, versus someone is genuinely pathologically evil and psychopathic, like Trump.
Is Obama better than Trump? Yes.
Do we need to keep claiming he is perfect? No, let’s quit deluding ourselves.
https://youtube.com/shorts/4xaT7Qr7hA8 a short video that cites a couple sources.
So much of what Trump can do is built upon what Obama accomplished in the name of “National Security”. Even ICE.
He caved. He was an effective, brilliant, and charismatic community organizer. But when he took office in the White House, he balanced all of those things we love about him? With his party’s pathological need to please both his opposition and their shared donors.
And he was so much more effective at doing what Republicans wanted, even when he adds some “humane restrictions” to it, these policies and precedents set us on an even more dangerous path. Just like with every previous presidency in my lifetime.
I don’t say this to be mean, I wish it wasn’t true. But we need to be honest with ourselves. If Democracy is supposed to work, we cannot afford to trust our representatives to be surrounded by lobbyists without our active voices demanding some share of their time.
And yet, we have allowed our politics to be “vote every 2-4 years along party lines, and trust that it will be fine.” We’re not doing just fine.
Do we need to keep claiming he is perfect?
Who claimed he’s perfect…?
“If you’d have cared from the start, none of this would’ve happened.”
Missed a bit
How Americans don’t take this as a sign that their electoralism is always bound for failure will forever remain a mystery to me. You emerge from the fallout of Republican leaders by voting democrats and joyously claim, “the storm has passed” and “we should never repeat these mistakes”. Come 8 or so years and a Republican is re-elected.
How have you guys not en masse realized that democratic reign is merely a refractory period for Republican governance? Why have you not organized and promoted other parties? The greens are slow and will take a lot of work to build, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. This cycle will continue until you’ve en masse woken up to the real contradictions driving your politics.
Spiel over!
our constitution is intentionally structured to favor the wants and needs of capital holders instead of the working people
It’s less that than people think dems are doing OK then go back to their shitty apathy that lets Republicans back in. Rinse, repeat.
I can’t even comprehend it with the blinding majesty of the democratic actions taken, where they heroically and with the utmost of poise forgive their opponents for all crimes domestic and international.
The darn Republicans just don’t understand how forgiving and merciful the Democrats will always be. So mean.
First we need to excise the foreign influence from the Greens though, which is probably harder than just starting over again. Which doesn’t fix the problem with first past the post voting systems which mathematically make it almost impossible for one ideology to win if they have more candidates that an opposing ideology. That’s where the fight has to start, grass roots voting reform to more represational systems like STAR. Get it in locally, and then push it up from there. Then new parties will be allowed to flourish, instead of just torpedoing their platform by splitting the votes.
This one isn’t for oil. It’s regime change. They want Maduro out and a right-winger in.
Why not both?
A right-winger with favorable oil policy.
It’s definitely for oil. Trump already said that they are taking back the oil and mineral wealth that was stolen from him in Venezuela.
Are you saying Trump lied when he posted online that this is about oil?
The administration’s line is that it’s about drugs
Yes, but Trump forgot about that and posted this to Truth Social:
“You remember, they took all of our energy rights. They took all of our oil from not that long ago, and we want it back,” Trump told reporters at Joint Base Andrews. “But they took it; they illegally took it.”
“They took it away because we had a president that maybe wasn’t watching, but they’re not going to do that. We want it back,” he continued later. “They took our oil rights, we had a lot of oil there, as you know, they threw our companies out, and we want it back.”
I saw a screenshot of hit post, but couldn’t find it now. The quote is from here.
I hadn’t seen that one. That’s fucking crazy. I wonder who told him that.
Yes you are right … regime change … so that the US can install their own puppet leader … so that the US can get to the oil
Oh they’ll install all of the rigs while doing the regime change at the same time like last time.
Lol … they’ll rig the political landscape as well as the actual landscape
That comment’s argument had a “states rights” kind of vibe
All the comments here have a “It’s my first year of college and I just read Marx for the first time and now I know everything” kind of vibe
Wowie you sure showed them
Regime change is always about setting up a “banana” republic when the
isUS is involved.Rubio has an ideological vendetta against leftist SA governments. He’s not doing this for a corporation.
oh you sweet, summer child
The subject matter of the post plus your username is an excellent combination here
Eh. It can be multiple things. The Second Iraq War was about oil, but it was also about W. having a personal grudge against Saddam. Saddam at one point tried to have Bush Sr. assassinated, and Jr. had it out for him as a consequence. Plus it was for political purposes, both to drum up the base at home and to assist Israel abroad. It was about all of those things. Wars are never caused by just a single reason. Oil was absolutely a powerful factor, perhaps the most powerful. But it’s overly reductive to simply say it was about oil. Launching a war requires getting a lot of stakeholders on board. And not everyone will have the same motivations. The Zionist faction wanted Iraq toppled to help Israel, but they have no particular concern for oil. The oil industry folks wanted Iraqi oil, but money-hungry CEOs don’t really care about throwing red meat to the Fox News crowd. Launching a big war requires a coalition, even if just the Republican coalition. Wars always thus have many motivations behind them.
Trump doesn’t have the political capital for boots on the ground in Venezuela, so this one is likely going to be a flop. The MAGA base is too anti-interventionist now. Susie Wiles told Vanity Fair that the administration is just going to harass ships until Maduro cries uncle and agrees to step down, which won’t happen. I’m sure Rubio would like to get our military more involved, but it doesn’t seem likely.
The MAGA base is too anti-interventionist now.
The MAGA base will think anything that Newsmax, OANN, and Fox tells them. I’ve seen it happen in real time, multiple times now. They wouldn’t be MAGA still if they had any morals or critical thinking capabilities.
Trump won’t go all in just yet, just try to provoke an attack (or stage a false flag) to give pretense to crack down on their land. Preceded of course by some covert bombing to soften their SAM defenses.
Oh god, I thought you guys were sequestered in hexbear
that right there is the worse insult anyone has ever said to me online
Lol sorry
i forgive you
That doesnt seem to be the case at all, its all trumps idea as a distraction against the epstein file release, nice try to issue disinformation.
Trump at a rally in 2023 already said ‘we could’ve gone into Venezuela and gotten all that oil’ if he had been elected in 2020 (except of course he lied that election was stolen)
The 1980s were another big part of this trend.
The Gulf War was about kicking Iraq out of Kuwait, after Iraq invaded. It had a wide support, both worldwide and within the Arab world. Saudi Arabia and Egypt actively participated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
Check the coalition drop down.
Iraq invaded Kuwait because economic collapse and oil disputes thinking the west won’t go to war for this emirate.
Don’t come citing the deep magic, I was there when it was written.
From your Wiki link:
_The invasion was primarily over disputes regarding Kuwait’s alleged slant drilling in Iraq’s Rumaila oil field…
The conflict’s environmental impact included Iraqi forces causing over six hundred oil well fires and the largest oil spill in history until that point._
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Who’s ready to send there kids off to war to die for oil, I mean freedom? 🫲🍊🫱
No, this time it’s drugs.
Question that will enrage everyone:
What would you do with $8/gallon gas (in the US where there is very very little public transport). Many many people would be totally fucked.
There’s a reason this happens unfortunately, there’s prices to pay for modern life, just like the slave labor that built all of our electronics and clothing.
At that price a gallon everything would be electric, hybrid and people will think twice before wasting energy.
We are an exporter of oil. These wars increase prices not lower them, and that is no accident.
Pretending that invading a country, causing mass destruction and death, because America has bad public infrastructure and gas prices might rise is an evil and insane thing to say and a completely head-assed opinion. This is absolutely not a “this happens, unfortunately” situation.
Dont forget how much americas weapons and military manufacturing companies profit during times of war, even when its not their war they are selling to other countries.
The war machine go brrrr
maybe the us should fucking vote for public infrastructure instead of against it and that wouldnt be a problem 🤪🤪
No we aren’t. Biden did it.
Biden is going to war with Venezuela? What are you smoking?
Biden made Trump do it. Biden is the one that controls the exports of drugs and oil from Venezuela. It’s all his fault.
It’s a sad state of affairs when I genuinely cannot tell if you’re insane or sarcastic.
That’s the fun of it. The US is so fucked up this is where we are. But hey at least we don’t have a pedo for pres….oh wait.
I knew you were trolling because your apostrophes were placed too correctly.
God damn you’re a grade A troll. Your comments are almost believable but no one is this stupid. I applaud you for your efforts.
I know for a fact that people that stupid exist. It’s getting to the point where the Onion is going to have to become a serious news organization in order to be absurd by contrast to reality.
I know, I’m just trying to piss them off. People really hate being called a troll when they’re being serious. Counter-trolling, if you will.
Of course, explaining it kind of ruins it but oh well.
The only thing I remember Biden did regarding oil was keeping protected lands from oil drilling while also drilling more in other public US lands.
I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
