It’s something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they’ve made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn’t seem true to me, or I think they’re genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn’t being considered.
What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?
I like the world building in Fifth Element and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. But Luc Besson is probably a rapist and certainly a sexual assaulter. I’ll watch his old stuff I already own but won’t put any more money towards it nor support any new projects.
Edit: oh, also he’s not “cancelled”. He came out with another movie this year or last, if I recall. 9 times our of 10, celebrities that say they were “cancelled” just had their feefees hurt by people on social media.
Also a pedo. From his wiki page:
Besson’s second wife was actress and director Maïwenn Le Besco, whom he started dating when he was 32 and she was 15 after having met three years earlier.[46] They married in late 1992 when Le Besco, 16, was pregnant with their daughter Shanna, who was born on 3 January 1993.[47][deprecated source] Le Besco later claimed that their relationship inspired Besson’s film Léon (1994), where the plot involved the emotional relationship between an adult man and a 12-year-old girl (played by then 12-year-old Natalie Portman).
So not only is he a pedo, but he was proud enough of it he made a movie about it.
Die Antwoord. The music tickles a particular part of my brain, but they’re accused of some truly heinous shit.
I have a weird interest in South African rock music. I would buy SA CD compilations on ebay and discogs Nd listen to all the cool SA bands. One of them had a track by an artist called Max Normal. The track fucking slapped. No one in the US has heard of these SA artists I listen to. One day I mention my interest to a coworker and he said something like “oh man, you should check out Die Antwood.” So, I did. I’m reading about Die Antwood and I had a holy fuck moment. They were the same artist on that compilation CD. They changed their name to Die Antwood. The artist of an obscure track on a compilation CD I have went on to become an internationally known artist. I also found out they are pretty shitty people. Life is crazy sometimes.
Do I dare ask? I have this sinking feeling it’s racism related…
I think Ninja told some girl he wanted to fuck her after he told her she looked like his daughter.
Typical dodgy celebrity stuff, support young artists get them high, rape…
And then there’s Racism, and exploiting kids
Justin Timberlake. I’m in my mid 30s now so I don’t follow celebrity gossip as much as I did in my tween years but from what I’ve seen he didn’t do anything too bad? Felt more like it was cool to hate him cos he’s been famous for a bit but no longer at the top. But I still think he’s a fantastic performer and some of the new songs are great.
I mean, I didn’t throw out my Harry Potter boxed set just becsuse Rowling is a dumb fucking TERF. I just don’t continue buying shit she profits off of, and can see tons of questionable things in her work that I didn’t question before knowing her thoughts on things.
Doesn’t anything HP give her a cut?
It’s the reason HP is banned in this household.
i don’t blame you for your choice. she’s alive and using money from the franchise to actively fund initiatives that hurt people. but let me copy my comment from elsewhere in this thread (about Scott Adams and old Dilbert books)
hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn’t put anymore money in his pocket.
being “cancelled” doesn’t mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn’t happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.
this is a critical detail that I think people often miss
The Harry Potter universe is bigger than her to where we can love the universe for what it is and can cut her out easily.
H.P. Lovecraft
Lovecraft was my first experience with seperating the artist and the work. Since then, I’ve had to deal with it frequently but eventually you get used to it.
Those books are wild.
Turns out that the author that popularized the horror of the alien and unknown was a racist and xenophobic putz. Who would have guessed?
Bill Cosby is a monster, but his stand-up special “Himself” is a master class on comedic story-telling.
Privileged white folk really don’t realize how much good Bill Cosby has done for poor kids. He contributed an insane amount to the community. He supported schools programs financially and helped a whole generation of black folk.
And when the news came out, you better believe we were all in the 5 stages of grief.
Just a complete 180 on his entire body of work. Like finding out Batman used homeless people for target practice. Or Jesus was a sith lord.
Marilyn Manson, I like his music.
I do too. I pretty much hated all music made in the 90s; I think grunge is awful and so is NIN, but I felt like Manson was a natural extension of what bands like WASP and Motley Crue were doing but reinvented for that generation, and it’s really good. I like music that has some concept and theater to it. I still listen to him.
I also like Die Antwoord; I think the accusations by their adopted son are total bullshit. I’m not saying they’re good people and I do think they’re homophobic, but also a lot of their image is obviously artificial and they obfuscate their true lives, it’s clear from reading their interviews. I think they’re genuinely average middle aged parents from South Africa, and I think what Ninja said about their son making accusations was to try to get money from them is true. I really dig their crazy music and their videos are insane.
I am with you about Grunge, I never understood the appeal for Nirvana and I think the accolades should go to the Screaming Trees and Alice and Chains. My favorite Manson album is Mechanical Animals. I know what you mean about Die Antword, the kid they adopted is an addict and I view him as an unreliable source.
Grunge is so dull. I am all for generations developing their own style of music without question but I can’t believe we turned away from 80s music to THAT. I thought Nirvana was mediocre as can be. Love Mechanical Animals, but like all of his albums to some degree. I’m glad he’s gotten back on his feet in life and got sober and lost the weight.
Die Antwoord, what Tokkie is saying just sounds so outlandishly fake. I don’t think they’re great people but I actually think they care a lot about their kids.
Even after the rib thing??
You’re talking about the rumor that he had some ribs removed so that he could autofellate? That’s just pure and simple bs.
Don’t ruin my childhood!
Close your eyes.
Yes, I’m aware. I just like making jokes online
No worries, I got to use autofellate in a sentence.
Dave Mustaine
Ha he is crusty.
Louis C.K
The reason he got cancelled was so stupid and everyone made it seem like he raped countless women. Also, he asked permission to do what he did. If anyone around him at that time didn’t like the sound of him doing what he asked permission for, they could’ve said ‘No’ and he wouldn’t have done it. I just didn’t see Louis being that kind of unreasonable guy but that’s what they demonized him as. I think it was all a ploy, to trap him to do what he did so they could demonize him that way.
The only reason I don’t care of him that much these days is because I’m being introduced to more comics, that I am finding Louis’ material very samey. Like always going on about his kids, family life .etc
He has even admitted himself that he was in a position of power over those women and that makes it considerably harder to say no when the person asking could make or break your career.
I found this one difficult. Like they were comparing him to all the other MeToo incidents, like Cosby and Weinstein.
Which is like, there is a serious gradient of crime here. And weighing it all equally like it’s black or white is problematic.
My tinfoil hat is all that accusation and black/white style of blame is what led to the manosphere gaining so much power and attention.
Yeah, but I reckon the saudi arabia trip was the final straw.
For that matter of fact, lost respect for all those who went to the saudi event, bill burr included.
fucking a. that one hurt, man.
but yeah, fuck him, and Bill Burr, and Jimmy Carr, and … 😢
I really enjoyed Lost Prophets music, but after what happened, I feel really weird about listening to it. I like it but I don’t feel like I should.
I wouldn’t recommend looking up what the singer did
Genuine question, has your opinion changed now that the singer has died? In no way, shape or form is the person who sang the music benefiting in any way from you listening to it.
People often say to separate the art from the artist. In an acting role I kinda get it, because an actor is playing a different character. For music, it’s kinda the same. The music is its own thing separate from the person. Maybe?
I don’t know, not really. I feel like music embodies singers more, but I also realise that there was a whole innocent band attached to that too, that didn’t know do or condone.
Its weird, I don’t really know how to feel about it.
Same with Brand New
Same. I thought their album was going to change the scene. Haven’t listened to it since he was convicted. He was stabbed to death in prison this year.
finally some good news in this thread
Good riddance tbh.
I enjoy watching Jared Leto get beaten up in Fight Club…
He’s the reason I won’t see Tron: Ares.
Like why…him? Of all people.
Leto is impervious to cancellation somehow. He managed to tank Morbius in theaters not once but twice. Plus something like 9 sexual assault allegations. How are any studios still taking a risk on him? Either people are gonna hate any movie he’s in, or he’s going to get caught assaulting women again. Why, why, why, when there are so many men out there who are better actors and who don’t assault their coworkers?
Because, unfortunately, he’s basically the reason the movie got made. Nobody was really interested in making the movie, and he basically pushed to get it going with himself as the star.
I also am upset about this fact, and am not planning to watch it.
I always had a weird feeling about MSI mindless self indulgence. Now all doubt is removed…
Wait, what did they do?
Jimmy Urine has settled a lawsuit for grooming and abusing a 15 year old.
I really loved the music so much. This hit me like the Neil Gaiman story
Why is everyone a fucking pedo?
Why do we propel them?
That’s a bit of backwards thinking imo.
They didn’t get propelled because they’re pedos.
I always disagreed with the world a bit on Will Smith’s big slap. I think he shouldn’t have done it, but I also think it was over-demonized. I recognize the preceding conversation as basically Hart making fun of a woman for having cancer. That doesn’t deserve a slap, but I understand why it happened. People have brought up prior drama in the Smith family but it always felt irrelevant to me.
The other bit to it is the feeling that “Violence is never the answer. Ever.” That’s a good sentiment to have when a parent is angry at their children. But there are some really horrible people in the world. People who don’t react to logic, reason, or emotion; and who pretend that they do in order to get what they want. When pushed past all reasonable limits by some people, violence should be the answer. A lot more people in this world deserve to get slapped. Whether Kevin Hart is one of those? I don’t know. I certainly don’t think of him as a saint.
Will Smith slapped Chris Rock
She also didn’t have cancer? How’d bro get this so wrong?
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Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert. I have several of his print books and still enjoy reading them; ditto his old cartoons. They really spoke to me years ago, as a cubicle-coder.
hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn’t put anymore money in his pocket.
being “cancelled” doesn’t mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn’t happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.
this is a critical detail that I think people often miss
holds up my binder of CDs
I love that you have CDs though.
Any artist old enough to have popular CD albums for sure has done something bad.
And I’m old enough to have collected them in my youth.
If you want some real gut churning debauchery, look at my tape collection. For sure those guys are evil.
(I don’t actually have a tape collection anymore)
