Thoughts?
Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?
So Winnie the Pooh wants to challenge pedo donny for the Nobel peace price?
He’ll win the next FIFA Peace Prize.
Lol calling China Leftist isn’t quite the thing. They are technically “communist” but no more so than the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was socialist.
Yeah, and no wonder why hardline Maoists hate Mainland China for what it is now, completely deviant from Maoism and becoming the very enemy they tried to destroy.
China is a socialist country, and a developing country as well. China belongs to the Third World. Consistently following Chairman Mao’s teachings, the Chinese Government and people firmly support all oppressed peoples and oppressed nations in their struggle to win or defend national independence, develop the national economy and oppose colonialism, imperialism and hegemonism. This is our bounden internationalist duty. China is not a superpower, nor will she ever seek to be one.
What is a superpower? A superpower is an imperialist country which everywhere subjects other countries to its aggression, interference, control, subversion or plunder and strives for world hegemony. If capitalism is restored in a big socialist country, it will inevitably become a superpower. The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, which has been carried out in China in recent years, and the campaign of criticizing Lin Piao and Confucius now under way throughout China, are both aimed at preventing capitalist restoration and ensuring that socialist China will never change her colour and will always stand by the oppressed peoples and oppressed nations.
If one day China should change her colour and turn into a superpower, if she too should play the tyrant in the world, and everywhere subject others to her bullying, aggression and exploitation, the people of the world should identify her as social-imperialism, expose it, oppose it and work together with the Chinese people to overthrow it.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1974/04/10.htm
Also, fuck the 996 System.
China isn’t technically communist. The Communist Party of China is technically communist in ideology. They have implemented a type of a mixed state that has both socialist and capitalist parts, decently described by the term - socialist market economy. Or socialism with Chinese characteristics as it’s been called in the past. Why socialism? Because the socialist part controls the capitalist part of the economy. Why socialist? Because it’s controlled by the CPC/CCP which has over 100M members and growing, which means the wider society is decently represented within the party that controls the state.
socialism with Chinese characteristics
It’s literally the same functional mechanics as free market capitalization EXCEPT that the state owns a part of every company. The people don’t. The state does. And only uses it for authoritarian control, which is the Chinese characteristic. China is functionally a capitalist market with state owned companies.
If China controlled the 3rd party companies in the country then maybe it could be construed as socialist but they own nothing about Apple or NVidia yet billions of dollars flow through them. China is an open market that uses subsidies to offset poor management in those companies. Basically the same thing America did to failing companies in 2008 (looking at you GM).
China has a large fully state-owned sector which tends to operate key industries. They also have outsized control over private firms because the banks doling out capital are state-owned. It’s how they can effectively direct the private sector to build EVs, chips or whatever other strategic commodity is desired, in addition to having partial ownership in large private firms. Yes Apple and NVIDIA aren’t state-owned. You can read about the state owned sector and how it affects the economy. The structure is very differrnt than the US today. It resembles somewhat FDR’s US in the 1940s but with even more state control and direction.
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Nice deflection, as all discussion of economic policy is nothing more. Authoritarianism (coercion through power) is right wing by definition.
Isn’t any democratic structure performing coercion through power on people who comprise the minority opinion, by doing what the majority decides?
Sure, when the conservatniks are in power. Some of us still fight for progress for them and for you, even though you try endlessly to destabilize us from afar.
What the hell are you talking about? Who is “us” and who is “you” and who’s destabilizing who, and from where?
They have implemented a type of a mixed state that has both socialist and capitalist parts
Personally, I find it very similar to corporatism.
I would describe the CCP political ideology as “authoritarianism” and the economic ideology as “corporatism”.
I don’t really see anything about the communes, the economy is not socially owned (not run by cooperatives) and the social aspects are veeery limited.
A horse can call itself a duck, but that doesn’t make it a duck; it’s still a horse.
Likewise, a country that calls itself communist while practicing capitalism under a hierarchical ruling party isn’t communist. Even if every member of the CCP had equal say in the country’s policies and direction, 8% of the total population is far from representing the working class, let alone being led by them.
They’re not communist, correct. They’re capitalist.
8% of the total population is far from representing the working class, let alone being led by them.
Yup, it can and it should be much larger. I saw a chart showing membership growth of 2-3% per year. That said even at the present numbers it means every third family or so has a party member.
Again, China isn’t calling itself communist. And I don’t think they’re. That said capital is subordinate to state control, which is subordinate to an org that most people can participate in, so personally I grant them the socialist (market economy) label that they tend to use. But I do understand why not everyone does.
To be clear, if you’re not communist, it doesn’t mean you’re capitalist. There’s a lot in between and it’s often a matter of degree of one thing or another. Feudalism didn’t turn into capitalism the moment the fist capitalist firm formed. It transitioned to capitalism as more and more production became capitalist, at some point becoming the dominant mode of production.
That said even at the present numbers it means every third family or so has a party member.
This is assuming an even distrubution. I have seen no reason to believe this. Certain segments of society are likely far more represented, which means the others are far less represented.
You mean like the parts that weren’t Mandarin Han Chinese decent?
Yeah it’s impossible to ignore what The CCP has done to vulnerable populations that they have decided need to be assimilated into their idea of a dominant culture.
That, and by class I’m sure there’s disparities too. It’s also likely higher in families that already have members.
China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing
Uhh, citation needed? Communism by name only does not a left wing country make
So it’s never left unless things work perfectly fine? It’s always fake left? China’s government control of the economy is very very lefty.
I’m left myself, but this easy escape by some left people really annoys me. Things can only improve if one acknowledges the mistakes and flaws.
I mean it’s the same reason the Nazis weren’t socialist despite being the national socialist party. It’s in name only. I don’t see a single way in which China is making steps towards becoming a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
Alternative headline:
China’s authoritarian leader Xi Jinping reiterates intent to subjugate neighboring country Taiwan in New Year’s Eve speech.
It’s not a neighbouring country, it’s the same country. Ask Taiwan.
Okay, I looked at what the current President of Taiwan has to say. He says this:
Taiwan is already a sovereign, independent country called the Republic of China.
That’s not the same as the PRC.
archive.is seems to be down right now.
The People’s Republic of China and the Republic of China are two different governments that both claim sovereignty over mainland China and Taiwan.
They both want to unite China, but only one of them is in the position to do it.
Internal to Taiwan, there are parties that support reunification and support independence (opposing views), but Taiwan has not yet reneged on its claim of mainland China.
As @stickly@lemmy.world pointed out, polling shows that Taiwanese people mostly want the status quo (de facto independence of Taiwan from the PRC) or they lean towards formally declaring independence.
As for Taiwan claiming sovereignty over China, maybe that is still in their constitution, I don’t know. But I’m pretty sure modern Taiwanese leaders are not asserting this claim. Instead they seek to preserve the status quo, where Taiwan is de facto independent.
Their president reneged it like 30+ years ago but that doesn’t mean much because it’s basically baked into their constitution. Changing the constitution to reflect their real borders would require triggering a vote and a bunch of formal processes that would absolutely instigate a conflict with the PRC.
Nobody wants that, including the voting population. Thus you see a milquetoast shuffling between independence and reunification parties in order to maintain the status quo (independence for all practical purposes) without being too radical for Beijing. In terms of polling:
- 48.9% are pro-[eventual]-independence
- 11.8% are pro-unification
- 26.9% want status quo
And when forced out of status quo, independence support jumps to out 60%. But for now they’re caught in a Catch-22 that allows the PRC to spit out this propaganda that people gobble up.
Good background, thanks. Ya, catch 22 is a good way to put it… It makes it tough for other countries to recognize both PRC and ROC without offending PRC.
Weird way to announce your surrender but ok
I’m rooting for China. Taiwanese are cucked.
You can hate US imperialism AND hate Chinese imperialism.
It’s actually quite easy if you just fucking hate imperialism.
I thought I blocked all of .ml???
I don’t really see how this is any different than 50 or 20 years ago, they’re just stating their geopolitical stance.
More to the point, as others have mentioned, it would be exceedingly difficult to invade Taiwan and capture their fabs intact.
Actually it wouldn’t even matter if they captured them intact because the US could just eliminate the supply line, making it unideal for production to continue for several years.
And unlike Ukraine, the US actually has a lot of interest and dependency on Taiwan, meaning they would get militarily invovled immediately.
China’s only benefit would be the elimination of the world’s primary chip manufacturing, and unrestricted access to the Pacific ocean.
I only see them doing it after they’ve achieved complete independence from Taiwan’s fabs in their own supply chain.
And pax silica will lessen the geopolitical fallout by ensuring there is fab redundancy outside of Taiwan.
the US actually has a lot of interest and dependency on Taiwan, meaning they would get militarily invovled immediately
Assuming Trump is rational. I’m not sure if he is.
Yes, it is imperialism. Also, China has an authoritarian state controlled by a privileged ruling class and is therefore far-right.
Was just about to say the same.
Authoritarian state-capitalism is not a leftist ideology.
Could you please provide us with some data regarding wealth inequality between citizens and politicians in China vs, say, the USA for comparison?
Now is the perfect time for them to do it, I can see why! America may not even respond.
Yes, I know we are an ally and we’re supposed to immediately go to war. So what? We promised to defend Ukraine from Russia, too. Look what happened.
Japan has openly vowed to defend Taiwan if China invades.
How will that stop China? Japan’s military is very limited (by design).
Japan is but a USA lapdog. They won’t do anything that would displease their master.
I don’t know about that. Most of the world isn’t happy with the US right now. They may have been the case 10 or 15 years ago.
Does this mean Lai Ching-te is gonna to be the president of One China?
Leftists are normally anti-imperialism
You’ve apparently never spoken to a Marxist-Leninist though some would argue they are not Leftists.
There is a second axis between libertarian and autoritarian.
Reunite? I thought there was already only one China?
I hope the EU and nations in the Asian sphere decide to have a military alliance. Taiwan is pretty dang valuable, and also shouldn’t be bullied for the sake of some strongman’s wet dream.
So it’s all about TSMC, the west doesn’t give a shit about the people or the land.
Well, China only cares about the land. You can take TSMC from Taiwan.
That is dumb. TSMC is comprised of the world’s foremost experts in chip technology. They are people, and probably would like to stay in their homeland. Furthermore, it takes at least a decade to build the infrastructure to create microchips, which requires extremely stable geology. A power outage or an earthquake can cause lithography machines to miss their target, ruining months of work.
TSMC is intrinsically tied to the land and people.
That wasn’t my point.
The west only cares about TSMC and not the island or the common people of Taiwan. If Taiwan didn’t have TSMC, the west wouldn’t give two shits about the island.
And China only cares about Taiwan for the land and the image it projects of “reunifying China”. They don’t care about the people in Taiwan since a vast majority don’t want to be invaded by China.
Look at how well the Hong Kong “reunification” went.
Correct. If the people of Taiwan don’t want to be part of China, they’re free to leave, just like everyone else in China.
Ok tankie. Let me take over your house and if you don’t like me, you can leave.
What a clown.
Literally Israelis 🤣
But it’s not the same comparison. False equivalence.
If the people of Taiwan don’t want to be part of China, they’re free to leave,
to where?
It’s a right, you’re not forced to leave.
create microchips, which requires extremely stable geology. A power outage or an earthquake can cause lithography machines to miss their target, ruining months of work.
TSMC is intrinsically tied to the land and people.
sure, that’s why Taiwan is located on one of earth’s most active earthquake regions
edit: bad cropping of image is not my fault, i found it like that on the internet and am to lazy to find another one
edit: here’s another one
Are you enlisted in the armed forces of an EU country? Or are you just a militaristic hypocrite who wants to send others to die?
No, and no.
Let’s be frank: Taiwan doesn’t want to belong to anyone, not China nor the west. However, it is a small country that has to use what its got, if it wants to maintain independence. Exchanging access to their chip supply for military aid is likely their best bet for not becoming a forgotten checkmark on Xi’s list of “accomplishments”.
Also, China has armed merchant vessels with weapons. It is pretty damn clear that China wants to start a fight. Given their behavior against the Philipines, India, and Taiwan, it is clear that China intends to hurt people. It is madness to not prepare for a conflict and push back, else China will enact their imperialist agenda. Be it against the USA, Russia, or China, smaller nations should do what they can to avoid being trod upon. Teaming up is the best way to do that.
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“The geopolitically opposite country of mine is the evil imperialist invader, we need to arm ourselves in self-defense and defense of human rights!”
-All state propaganda from all countries participating in WW1
Go ahead, enlist yourself, hypocrite
This is a declaration of war IMO. By one old dude against the whole world order (the international laws).
As the US has known for some time, the international order only applies to poor countries. Like a spiders web ensnares the fly but allows the pig to tear straight through
I’m not excusing the USA, two bad does not make right.
It doesn’t but this is the real fucking world
As an American I’m happy to see China kept in its place until it can compete with America on the human rights it gives its citizens. America might exercise ill-acquired and unethical hegemony over the world at times but apart from maybe the EU theres not another superpower candidate I’d trust more with that hegemony.
As an American I want my tax dollars to go toward something other than murdering civilians overseas
Oh, same! Yeah we’ve got a lot to do to fix this country, for sure. Kind of exciting to know we have the opportunity to fix how we want it considering the unprecedented dysfunction
I’m happy to see China kept in its place until it can compete with America on the human rights it gives its citizens
You mean the disappearing of tens of thousands of people who get kidnapped on the streets by militarized fascist police? Or are we talking about the highest imprisonment on Earth, with 1 in 5 black men going through prison?
Why does every fucking topic, no matter how far it is from US, ends up with someone ranting about US?
Because the US just sold them $11b worth of weapons? You act like the US is not involved in any way.
Downvote and move on friend
whataboutism isn’t to dismiss the point. whataboutism is to put things into context and establish proportionality.
what was the reaction internationally when the US invaded other countries? that allows you an approximate estimate of what will happen when china invades other countries.
China and Taiwan are already at war. The Chinese civil war never had any truce, armistice, surrender, or anything. ROC pulled back to Taiwan, PRC didn’t follow, and then it just stopped.
China is only nominally left; they’re deeply conservative, and don’t exactly empower the people. They are imperialist, as was the USSR.
And Taiwan did democratically decide what they want. It would be better if China also got to democratically decide what they want.
Leftists are normally anti-imperialism.
Extreme left is the same as extreme right. Soviet Union was also left wing but they were very imperialist as well and oppressing. Basically like the Nazis but in denial.
Stalinism, of which China uses a modernized version of, is the conservatism of leftism. It might have some leftist goals, but otherwise its main goal is conserving the status quo.
Authoritarianism and leftism are incompatible ideologies. The PRC and USSR both failed at their worker revolutions and swiftly ended up with corrupt oligarchy still controlling the means of production and hoarding the fruits of production. That’s not left-wing, that’s the far-right con game.
So now we are trying to justify them by saying that communist regimes were not really communist? I get that ideally Marx had good ideas, but the way they turn out seems to me it’s always the same. Someone has to have control and actually make a plan and people are greedy and have lust for power, that’s the reality. Also it’s not like I’m inventing anything, that’s the shoe horse theory.
You are saying the same thing. He just skips the bullshit everyone peddles on purpose or still eats up the propaganda.
Soviets and bolsheviks were never communists.
They were fascists all along.
You think nazis did not believe they were doing it for the good of all? Come the fuck on.
Dude. No.
Extreme right equates to genocide of anyone deemed unworthy.
Extreme left equates to a lot of regulations to keep any company from treating people differently based on group affiliation. Often blindly and without understanding there are exceptions. Basically a belief in left wing social progression but extreme and without an understanding of the why.
They aren’t the same. At all.
Auth left and auth right share many similarities
Authoritarian is independent of left or right.
It’s just wanting control over people.
There’s no such thing as Auth Left, they’re just Right Wingers in love with collectivization who tell people they’re Left
Dude yes, don’t be a tankie. Soviet Union for instance was not kind to Jews, Poles, homosexuals, or people with a faith exactly the same way as Nazi Germany, just replace labour camp with gulag. They literally kept countries under Russian thumb with tanks and the second they could get freedom everyone choose independence.
