After Bovino threw the can, the Star-Tribune wrote, “plumes of green and gray smoke burst over the crowd,” causing protesters and observers to flee the scene.
That is probably not normal tear gas (which is bad enough), it’s likely HC smoke which is extremely carcinogenic (arc).
If there is any justice for any of this someday there’s going to be a massive settlement and taxpayers are going to be paying for cancer and hospice treatment for thousands of people affected by this in a couple of decades.
e; There was a good step by step guide for disarming these somewhere that I can’t find right now, but if memory serves it was 1. Approach with leaf blower to direct smoke away from you, 2. Drop a traffic cone over the grenade to contain its smoke a bit more, 3. Dump a mixture of water and baking soda into the cone and drown the grenade.
e2; We don’t have definitive information that this is what it looks like for sure yet, so I added the two italicized words.
Or…
- approach with leaf blower in one hand and lacrosse staff in the other.
- Return to sender
Edit: In Minnesota, lacrosse staff may be substituted with a hockey stick.
The Wild don’t count as a proper hockey team. /s
Fuck yeah, rip it top shelf bud.
Wheel, snipe, and fuckin celly boys!
Ferda
Hexachloroethane is suspected of causing cancer and may cause organ damage through prolonged or repeated exposure
Sounds like they’re also shooting themselves in the foot with this one, especially since they don’t wear proper protection, from what I’ve seen
If there is any justice
these fucknuts will be spending life getting beaten in an El Salvadoran prison.
If there is any justice
narrator: “There wasn’t.”
“There was no justice, just ICE.”
an El Salvadoran prison.
I appreciate the sentiment, but we’ve done enough to that country already, and it’s not like this one lacks for prison cells
Are you maybe confusing El Salvador with Venezuela? I’m specifically talking about CECOT.
No, I just don’t think we should be dumping our prisoners on any other countries, Venezuela or El Salvador or anywhere else
That said, in terms of bad stuff we’ve done to El Salvador specifically, we have propped up super brutal right wing governments there for decades specifically because it’s the northern most South American country and DC wants them to be a choke point where every wouldbe migrant from the area can get kidnapped and brutalized far enough away from the US that our journalists won’t ever notice. Like, CECOT never would have been built without US security aid.
I would be wary of identifying any chemical just by a loose description of its appearance like that.
Deploying tear gas on peaceful protestors is disgusting even if it’s not toxic. It’s no different than tasing someone for no good reason, or choking them briefly for no good reason.
I mean, fair, I definitely would be interested in more information about this if anyone has it, but the description fits, it seems like the exact sort of dick move this administration would pull, and its probably going to be impossible to get any more information soon besides just the loose descriptions we have, so I’d say it’s more likely than not that this is HC smoke until more information becomes available.
It is a precedent they want to set. That is the point of all of this ICE stuff, setting precedents on this issue because it’s the one they have the most support on.
They are setting them on this, for use in the next presidential election. And otherwise to crush protests.
Does that recipe for a neutralizing agent also work on tear gas?
They’re being very flattering with that camera angle/crop.
Have you heard that assholes voice? I swear if I ever saw him in person I’d stoop down, look him in the eyes and laugh my ass off.
This guy is literally Adolphus Murtry. Hope he meets a similar end.
Murtry had more principles than this guy. You know this clown won’t hesitate to throw his own people under the bus if it comes down to that.
What a bovino…
Can we assign his name as a noun like a bucket of hot santorum?
It already sounds like a cross between “bovine” and “bambino”
So cowbaby.
Ole Soggy Biscuit Bovino
This traitor is going to have to watch his back for the rest of his life.
He’ll never have freedom of movement again.
I’m fairly confident Bovino doesn’t know what happened at the end of WW2.
I learned from the simpsons
Almost Nothing.
US had <0.2% conviction rate of war criminals, <1% of "major war criminals. Look it up, <200 convicted and actually punished of 100,000. Fascist war criminals is one of the lowest prosecution rates of all time. Very safe criminal activity apparently.
They gave many of the Nazis jobs, land, and positions in government and the UN. Nuremberg was a complete joke for publicity.
If US history is anything to go by, they will get off with 0 consequences. Just like WW2 and the civil war. The US needs a significant change to deal with it, like trial-less minimum life in prison for all ICE agents or it will be literally the same shit cycle of fascism.
Yeah the trials were mostly for show. NSDAP members remained in power for decades after the end of WW2. The Red Army Faction/Baader Meinhof gang were a direct consequence of the lack of reckoning there.
i always get baader meinhof and meyers briggs confused and honestly, it does not bother me.
Only one of them has bearing on reality though.
Oh I don’t live there
The US needs some serious Hague style prosecutions. Sad thing is, their democrats won’t do it…
i prefer french revolution style prosecutions.
I’m rooting for French style revolution…the democrats just voted to give ice more money today because they were afraid of being considered anti law and order while bowing down to a pedofile child murdering insurrectionist who is controlled by a genocide committing war criminal…they look pretty soft on crime to me
I’m confused who the democrats are actually performing for. They have to know that at the next election the republicans are going to get steamrollered and if they play their cards right they can come out on top.
Yet they do stuff like this, as if they’re trying to pander to MAGAs, as if that’s all help their electoral chances.
I would guess they aren’t really Democrats, they are getting big donations from MAGA backers, or most likely they know voters won’t bother to vote them out during the primaries. Some may be unopposed.
My guess is they are still gun shy from the defund the police movement after George Floyd.
They’re controlled opposition, at least at the national level. They’re the carrot to the stick, but both are being wielded by the same people.
Aipac/ jewish backed billionaires demanded more distractions, and dnc obliged.
I agree with this. Epstein and Ghisline worked for Israel. Netanyahu, Putin and Trumps axis of evil genocide coverup war profiteering pedofile “peace” board should be getting a lot more attention and the fact that our government is literally occupied by Israel AND the genocide committing IDF is training and joining ICE.
How did you know IDF is training ICE?
My dad was a green beret I know things have to be really bad for them to blow the whistle https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/retired-green-beret-whistleblower-claims-ice-trains-israel-bring-apartheid-tactics-us-1769427
Time for the people to tear down the systems repressing them and build it from scratch. I don’t think there’s any other way tbh
We need ways to fight back without putting ourselves in danger.
Like drones?
Like another comment or said: there isn’t. Everyone is a target, even if they’re not the target this week.
Take a look at what was done to protestors of the past. Even in recent years before this administration, they were gassed, beat, and made into criminals for exercising their right to assemble and express themselves. There are always “reasons” they were treated poorly but we must not be fooled: these reasons are hollow, don’t hold up to scrutiny, and are often outright fabrications. The lies you are to believe from their narratives is 1) someone in the vicinity destroyed property or acted in an “uncivil” way and 2) that means that everyone in the vicinity gets their rights taken away, and 3) if they resist their rights being shelved then they are met with violence.
It’s important to realize that none of this is new. This is par for the course, and the tools and narratives have been in use for generations. I’m gonna say it again: this is not new, it’s just more overt and laid bare for more people to see and realize.
You and I as working people are led to believe that if we just be meek and mild we’ll effect change. We are supposed to believe that not inconveniencing the state and being compliant will get us to our desired ends. On the other side of our struggle, the many forms of violence ARE the means by which change and control is effectuated.
This isn’t a call to violence, just an acknowledgement that violence is being used upon us as working class people and the inevitable end of that will be more violence, as history has shown. We need to disillusion ourselves of the hope that we can somehow deal with our problems in the warm comfort of safety. There is no guarantee of safety. We need to formulate our responses upon that reality, first and foremost, or we open ourselves to fragility and bewilderment at the violence that will most assuredly come upon us.
(Almost) No one wants this, but we need to be honest with ourselves about the reality that we face.
even speaking about pacifist resistance is enough to be labeled a domestic terrorist
There isn’t. That’s the whole point of fascism.
It’s not a fascism thing. It’s a state thing. No state will give its citizens the (legal) ability to fight back against its enforcement arm.
what we need are people who aren’t so pusillanimous they can’t say what they really mean.
This is an interesting [article] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks), though I’m not,ahem, sure how it applies to this conversation.
Information is the best way to fight fascism
We’re still trying to win enough support to do so is the thing. The normally apathetic need to be against the regime otherwise they’ll just narc on people. They have to feel affected in some way and I don’t think anything less than the next large demonstration of ICE just gunning them all down in the street will do.
That’s basically saying you’re never gonna do anything.
Besides reading Full Spectrum Resistance, here are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
And that’s the closest he’s been to having an erection in a long time.
hes being surrounded by men, thats the only time he gets one.
What about this is lawful protest? Go prevent a police officer from fueling his police vehicle and see how fast you go to jail for obstruction.
They’re not police officers.
Did I say ICE were police officers? No I did not.
However police officers vs. Federal law enforcement officer - Not much difference IMO.
Ice polices immigration law, and they’re officers of immigration law; but somehow they’re not police officers… some symantical BS.
Ice polices immigration law,
That’s the pretext for what they’re doing. Murdering people and kidnapping children to use as bait isn’t “policing” anything. It’s just being fascist shit. And you’re here to support them. Do you prefer the sole of the boot or the upper? I bet it’s the sole. More flavor. Particularly if the agent stepped in shit.
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You’re lying on behalf of ICE.
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ICE isn’t police though. They’re a fascist paramilitary.
Fuck ICE and anyone who defends their fascist bullshit.
Poor Adumbance114 got all confussed there. Maybe they need to read the Constitution again to be reminded what is and isn’t lawful.
Absolure brain rot from the left.
Nothing about the constitution enables the public to obstruct the duties of a police officer.
Infact The Supreme Court has already ruled on this.
Cox v. Louisiana (1965), 379 U.S. 536
Protestors blocked access to a courthouse and were arrested. The Supreme Court upheld the arrests.
If you want to protest the police you can do that. But you cannot protest the police by stalking and then spontaneously inhibiting their abilities to perform their job.
ICE aren’t police. Didn’t I already tell you that?
They’re fascist pricks on an ego trip who break the law every day. Fuck ICE. The fact that you got triggered like that tells me all I need to know about you.
ICE aren’t police
This is kind of a symantical useless statement. They police immigration law, they are officers of immigration law, but for some reason convenient for you, you don’t want them to be able to be called police officers.
Lying ICE (aka LICE for short) are NOT bona fide cops.
What is there about that you don’t seem to understand?
What is there about that you don’t seem to understand?
The relevance to the point you’re trying to make.
The fact that FBI agents and ICE officers are not called “police officers” (in the traditional local/state sense) has virtually no relevance to their ability to enforce the law. The label itself is largely semantic and does not limit their legal power.
This isn’t reddit.
And the mental gymnastics award goes too.
So are you saying it’s ok for ICE to shoot people, gas babies and abduct children from schools, but the protestors are the bad guys as they wont let them refuel!?
Go lick boot.
Nope. Didn’t say any of that.
What do you think they are protesting against boot licker?
If ICE did something wrong it doesn’t legitimize the protestors to follow that up by also doing something wrong.
It may legitimize it in your eyes, but not the eyes of the law.
And cut out the name calling, there’s no way you can be seriously think im a boot licker while also trying to have a serious conversation with me… Unless you’re just ridiculous.
by also doing something wrong.
Where “doing something wrong” is “protesting the actions of ICE.”
Where “doing something wrong” is “protesting the actions of ICE.”
Don’t confuse protesting with obstructing federal law enforcement.
I absolutely support anyone’s right to protest any aspect of our government.
Don’t confuse protesting with obstructing federal law enforcement.
I’m not. You are. On purpose.
If ICE did something wrong it doesn’t legitimize the protestors to follow that up by also doing something wrong.
It may legitimize it in your eyes, but not the eyes of the law.
Haha, if they did something wrong… Going for the world record in mental gymnastics I see.
You cannot abuse a population, mame children and kill people then turn around and call protestors the bad guys because they blocked a fuel pump… ICE aren’t following the law, yet their victims have to otherwise they deserve it - fuck you.
And cut out the name calling, there’s no way you can be seriously think im a boot licker while also trying to have a serious conversation with me… Unless you’re just ridiculous.
If it walks, talks and acts like a boot licker… And this isn’t a serious conversation, I don’t take you seriously.
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Is this what the right means by “law and order”?
Actually yes. They see anyone else besides them as less than people.
Here’s an interesting article that is entirely unrelated and for educational purposes only.
Other potential thickening agents include baking soda, tar, strips of tire tubing, blood, XPS foam, egg whites, rubber cement, and even dish soap.
Ah yes let me just stroll over to my pantry and grab a few pints of blood.
You keep it in the fridge and I can buy it at my local grocery store.
Hey so I’m a pro fire performer and love sharing fun facts about fire performance. In fact, I never charge for fire safety basics.
We never use kerosene or gasoline, it’s disgusting and highly volatile. Of the two, kerosene burns a bit slower and for longer. Just avoid gasoline all together. Our common fuels are camp fuel (aka white gas or naphta) and lamp oil, both of which are wind resistant. Lamp oil burns for a long time and is slippery as hell, but it’s hard to ignite so we’ll sometimes mix it with some white gas when we want to get our props going quick. We only really use alcohols indoors since they’re not wind resistant, but they produce low smoke which is neat.
Modern wicks are made out of 100% kevlar, but older style torches use cotton from rags or tshirts. It has to be replaced quickly but works in a pinch.
For clothing, we only wear natural fibers. Synthetics will melt into your skin and turn a mild burn into something nasty. Naturals are bamboo, cotton, wool, and similar. Synthetics are spandex, polyester, acrylic, etc (except for purpose made synthetics like Nomex). Leather is probably the best thing you can wear, and thick denim pants are an easy to find staple. Many hoodies are also safe for fire spinning in winter but check the tags first.
Most importantly, never use fire without a dedicated safety with a safety blanket. 100% thick wool, duvetyne, or a damp cotton towel are most common
Or just tape a storm match on it and light it before you throw. That way it only ignites on delivery.
What would you use if you wanted it hot and sticky?
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
As they feel increasingly untouchable, their behavior will get worse and worse. Eventually they’ll do something exceptionally bad to the wrong person and Find Out but it’ll suck for everyone in the meanwhile.
What will that “exceptionally bad” thing be if not shooting an unarmed American mother in the face in front of her family, then letting her die by preventing medical intervention or arresting a 5 year old in a Bunny hat?
to the wrong person
Every person they attack is the wrong person.
None of what they are doing is moral, justified or legal in a functioning society.
I’m suggesting “the wrong person” in this context is an armed person with a short fuse. Broadly speaking, you are correct, though. Immigrants are just people trying to live their lives and we should leave them alone.
