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For the skeptical:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/01/ice-descends-on-minneapolis/
in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification. Glad to learn im not in a free country. For thoses curious it s an european country.
Not even true lol
https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F11601
Bigmouth is happy to fit the whole boot in their mouth
bro didnt even read the second ligne
Néanmoins, si vous êtes soumis à un contrôle d’identité, la procédure sera plus longue si vous ne pouvez pas présenter de pièce d’identité.
Si vous refusez ou si vous ne pouvez pas justifier votre identité, vous pouvez être retenu, sur place ou au commissariat de police, pour une vérification.
Try to wiggle your way out of it all you want. Potentially having to undergo a more difficult procedure does not equal a legal duty to have identification. Your claim
in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification
Is simply false. It’s a lie to support your position.
so tell me what hapen if police control me and i can’t proove my identity (cause i dont have my paper on me) ?
As you cited, your identity will be established at the station. Just admit to your lie instead of trying weird distraction tactics.
so you get detained by the police. Thank you
Just saying “thank you” like you had a good gotcha moment, doesn’t change the situation here. You got caught in a lie and you have no point.
Do you have to identify yourself/show your papers on-demand?
yes, specially to police officers. If i dont have them i can be detain in a police station the time they proceed to my identification
So cops can just walk up and say “hey show me your papers!” and you have to comply? Lots of us have issues with that. What if you’re at a protest or some other decidedly anti-statusquo do you still have to identify yourself? What obligations do the police have? Do they have to identify themselves (name/badge) or is it enough to wear a uniform?
you can refuse, but then police can detain you. Im not aware of police having the obligation to identify themself and i never saw them doing that. As far i know them having the uniform is enough.
I mean I don’t know where you are from but at least where I live they have to identify if asked to and they can’t just detain you without cause. While cause can be pretty broad, like there was a crime in the neighborhood, it can’t be “we don’t like your face”.
In france. Cause can be you dont present an id.
Interesting, the United States is geographically very dispersed (the state of Texas is roughly the same geographic size as France) so carrying documents for internal travel makes less sense.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion, I gave you a couple upvotes to cancel out the haters (not that those matter here).
You are talking rights and reason now!?!
Only force matters here. How to starve them, drain them, terrorize them, and if needed…kill them.
What kind of documentation and what country?
id and france
Do you require those papers walking down the sidewalk? Do children need those papers when running around outside doing kid things?
yes in some case. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F1036
You will see that there is a mention of shengen, this is directly tied to immigration
“this is directly tied to immigration”
I don’t see why that makes things better, just shows that the source of the lost freedom is bigotry and hate.
just to make the point it isnt extraordinry to have thoses laws. Immigration control is tied to a lot of issue, that the direct benificiary are the citizen.
Yes, right wing bigotry is everywhere.
Cheering the loss of your freedom because you hate immigrants is pathetic.
that wasnt my point. these law are the consequence of immigration because it wasnt control in the first place. i never had to decline identity in place where immigration where inexistent, but i had to in place where it was high.
That wasn’t the point you were trying to make, but it was the point you made.
Because of anti-immigration bigotry, you now have to prepare to prove your right to walk down the street. And because of anti-immigration bigotry, you’re ok with that.
I’m sorry. That’s very sad.
As a kid I ran freely around the neighborhood and my family never had to worry that I had taken my identification with me. Never had to worry that it might fall out of my pocket.
same, until i got to a city where drug traffic was high and i got controll a lot where before it never happened to me
I’m sorry your kids have to fear police now. Maybe you should speak up to your government to change things rather than just lick the boot.
tbh i fear drug traffic a lot more than police. Nasty shit happened bc of it. Police werent always nice but they never mistreat me and while i dont like being subject to those control it s not like i fear them
But the bigots have taught you to fear the immigrants even more, I guess. Because “papers please” does nothing to solve the drug problem.
I hope you escape this bigotry, and learn to be a better person.
Then demand your government make the police treat you like a person
I don’t know why the downvotes. Yeah, this is how it works in many (most?) parts of the world, legally speaking the police can require you to show papers or get detained. In the EU it’s a bit easier because “papers” is typically either your driving license or just a small plastic card with identification info which easily fits into a wallet or a phone case. E.g. in Russia you are required to always carry an A6-sized paper “passport book” (!) which contains a lot of info about you (name, place of birth, place of permanent residence, place of temporary residence, marital status, children, etc) and present it to the police when asked.
If the definition of a free country is “police can’t force you to present a valid ID while in a public place” then I doubt there are many “free countries” on earth at all.
I agree that it’s kinda dumb and it sucks, IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you, but it’s not unique to the US.
here they are lenient with it. A picture on your phone is enough and you also have gouvernement app that can be use. I dont feel like my freedom is impeach because of it
IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you
IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to even ask you to identify yourself, let alone arrest you.
Law enforcement asking kids for ID for walking down the street?
And its NOT The Onion?
Please. Imagine if this wasn’t in a “first” world country. Imagine if say France or South Africa was doing this. The whole world would be complaining and shouting about how bad it is. But since the USA is “one of the good ones” we just turning a blind eye???
This comment is how you get a lot of complaining and shouting Frenchs I guess
We don’t turn a blind eye. We just accept that that is how live is in a Third World country.
I love that America isn’t turning a blind eye, but other countries are. Australia news (as fas as i know) isn’t reporting the facts like this
It’s the second story on ABC News, but it’s written in a pathetic passive voice that doesn’t at all describe the fact that it was a public execution.
France is a first world country
What jurisdiction does ICE have again?
The backing of the Commander In Chief, Congress, and the Supreme Court. Written laws don’t matter right now.
I hope the families of all these ICE “heros” see this pic and understand that their sons and daughters in ICE are shitbags and that they themselves utterly failed as parents and citizens. Any group that gets their jollies off of abusing minors needs to be dealt with harshly.
Yes, but the sorts of parents that raise people who ultimately join ICE already know they did a shit job of parenting, and don’t care. They don’t need more proof.
The US is crazy 😶
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So the administration has quadrupled down on saying they are only going after thugs and criminals and narco terrorists and then they snatch little kids off the street? Because they can’t prove they are a citizen? There isn’t a single person on that ICE squad that can confidently tell me that they carried their identification on them at all times as a kid.
Republicans, what the fuck is wrong with you? Wake the fuck up and help us stop this insanity.
Republicans don’t see a child, they see a racial slur.
Most republicans are even bigger cowards than ICE.
Children are sex objects or racial slurs to Republicans. There is no in between and quite a bit of overlap.
These are the people that defended the Family Separation Policy on Trump 1.0. Despite the efforts of the Biden administration, nearly 1000 children were never reunited with their parents, and likely never will be.
Now that they are under the purview of the MAGA government, we haven’t heard a word. The pretty ones have been sold into sex slavery for sure, the compliant ones will make good house slaves, and the rest will be turned into dog food.
They also just publicly executed another person in Minneapolis this morning. Murderers.
So killing people they dont like is normal now, and sweeping up kids and babies. Killing kids is the next ratchet, and then mass killing, and bingo, we’ll have the worst attributes of both Russia and Israel.
Lead poisoning destroyed the part of their brains capable of any compassion whatsoever.
Every hang around a 7 year old, with all their 6-7 shit, and what not? They’re ALL little terrorists.
Good think ICE is here to round up all these terrorist children and babies.
FUCKING FINALLY someone has the courage to say this
I hope ICE goes after 3 year olds nex so we can also extinguish that disgusting joy of life -thing those little fuckers have
Nice juxtaposition - the pride hearts on the car in the background. Part of the profiling orders one assumes.
I assume the heart is to throw people off the idea that it’s an ICE vehicle.
Oh, they hopped out of it… Good grief.
Us citizen here, I don’t mind if he gets a snack. You should let him g, then go fuck yourselves.
Literally “papieren, bitte!”
“Papieren” is Dativ. You need “Papiere” here. Grammar is really important to the Nazi party
Ab ins Grammatikkonzentrationslager mit dem miesen Verbrecher!
I remember that from Medal of Honor on the PS1…
December 31st 1999, my cousin and I are sitting in my bedroom playing PS1 Medal of Honor. At at the clock strikes, we pause, and step outside into the backyard. “Go figure” we agree as we see absolutely nothing has changed and life continued on despite the feared “Y2K”
What snack did he have?
A succulent Chinese meal
I see that you know your judo well
GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS!
Can all the white people go back to Europe please?
Racism is the best, isn’t it?
Yes I’m sure racism will end if we add more racism.
No I mean I’m flipping the rheotric that racists use to make a point. Like people have told my mom to go back to her own country. I’m badly pointing out the hypocrisy. Of course I don’t want Americans to leave their homes. It’s not obvious I’m not serious
It’s not outlandish enough to be obviously sarcasm or ironic. That’s an actual opinion a “reasonable” but bigoted person might have.
In sophisticated circles, we call that a “shithole country”
They just killed a 37 year old man in minneapolis, this shit keeps getting worse by the minute
In the laaaaaand of the Naziiiii
And the hoooome of the depraaaaaved
