With the change in TikTok ownership, TikTok users in the U.S. are collectively freaking out over the company’s updated privacy policy after being alerted to the changes through an in-app message.
The revised document details the U.S. joint venture’s conditions for using its service, including the specific location information it may collect.
Many users are also posting to social media about language found in the policy, which says that TikTok could collect sensitive information about its users, including their “sexual life or sexual orientation, status as transgender or nonbinary, citizenship or immigration status.”
Please remember this name; Larry Ellison. He’s the biggest bogeyman most people aren’t even aware is there.
Oracle = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
The good news is that everything Larry Ellison touches dies slowly and painfully. Oracle’s touch of death is well known in the tech community… Java, MySQL, etc.
Eh, Java is probably bigger than ever, but there’s been lots of open source/alt forks and try as they might, I don’t think Oracle has monetized it all that well after they bought Sun.
Same with MySQL - I don’t know that its use has slowed down all that much, even if most people are using MariaDB and calling it MySQL.
So it’s more like once Ellison acquires something, people do their best to get his stench off of it if they can. Or at least fork it and not give him any money. But even if all they made was just their DB, they’d still be more or less printing money, given so many things running on Oracle and how much it can cost to use it at the enterprise level.
I’d argue that Java is not bigger than ever, it’s more of an established legacy language used almost exclusively in business applications today. Comparing it to COBOL in that sense would be mean but there are similarities. When I started with Java in the late 90s it was something completely different. It became popular because it was open and easy to learn. Java gained a huge community quickly. Now there are some technical reasons why Java lost its popularity among the general tech community over time but as I witnessed it the major downfall happened when Sun Microsystems was acquired by Oracle and the new licensing model was just horrible. Many of us didn’t want to use a language that wasn’t open and moved on. Others created open source forks like you said. I remember we were forced to move to OpenJDK in the company where I was employed. At that time OpenJDK was was neither fast nor complete. It was a shitshow and I can assure you we did not have a good time. Eventually we phased out Java entirely and built the next version on a new stack. And today there are a lot of open and modern general purpose languages available so there is no need to use Java for new projects unless you want to integrate it into an existing Java ecosystem.
And it was basically the same story with MySQL. You actually said it - “people do their best to get his stench off of it if they can”. In most cases that means moving on to something that isn’t owned by Oracle.
They have no idea how to run anything that requires community goodwill. It’s actually impressive how awful they are.
It was quite instructive to see how many people resigned right after Sun was acquired.
Not to mention how quickly Hudson was forked to Jenkins.
if people still have paramount + just to watch shitty nutrek shows they are complicit as well.
I’m trying but there’s so many fucking evil names 😞
He’s quite bad. Peter Thiel is worse imo.
The fact you think that kind of proves my point.
(I don’t mean that in a snarky way. )
I’m fully aware of who Ellison is. Thiel is worse than Ellison.
thiel also believes in his own bs, thats why hes dangerous.
So it’s going to send ICE live location data about users it thinks are non-residents? That’s scary as all fuck.
We used to be anonymous on the internet. We had screen names, didn’t show our faces or tell people where we lived.
This is what we get when sharing your face becomes the default.
I call it the sickness. You catch it from turning the lens onto yourself for too long. Once you have it, it’s terminal.
The sickness asks how will this play not what do you think?
And what happens is the difference between the lens the self and the audience begins to blur until you are no longer pretending anymore.
A rule of journalism: Unless it’s meant literally, when a news headline includes words like blasts, blisters, bombshell, burns, claps back, drags, epic self-own, explodes, freaks out, goes viral, humbled, humiliated, melts down, mind-blowing, rages, rips, roasts, shocking, skewers, slams, staggering, stuns, or trolls, find a better source.
Thank you, I get so tired of the blasts rips shreds ragebait headlines
“(SUBJECT) RIPS AND TEARS, UNTIL IT IS DONE.”
(heavy metal intensifies)
Thank you. Once my eyes hit a word like that I don’t even continue reading. It’s a major reason I left reddit, because they barely have any non-baiting news anymore.
Lemmy user blasts news source and humiliates editor over viral headline.
Absolutely slammed it.
Ellison is evil
he definitely looks the part
He’s 81
Here’s a hint:
STOP USING THE APP
Or just stop using the platform altogether. The reason that most of these things are “apps” is so that they can track you better, not for the “experience”.
JFC.
It feels like yelling at clouds, especially when we say this on Lemmy
For real. TikTok should be regarded as a de facto intelligence service for the DOJ.
I don’t think your message here on Lemmy will reach the right audience.
Around two or three years ago, I was on a sales call/app demo as a potential customer–not for TikTok, of course. It’s an American company and I’m based in Canada. I asked the sales guy about their data storage, encryption, privacy, and the like; he didn’t know. I said I needed to know that if our group uses the application to communicate internally about, for example, helping refugees, the government won’t be able to access it. The guy asked me if that really was a concern.
Well, you tell me now, sales guy, is it really a concern?
Most of America is like this. Infuriating.
Amen. Unfortunately I feel like there’s a whole generation that has come up with a different mindset. Not that you want to stand up for your rights, but that you will do whatever you want and complain about it if it violates your rights or your privacy, but not actually stop doing it.
I feel like the idea of proactively standing up for your rights or what you believe in rather than just complaining or posting online is no longer in in common parlance.
Yeah, I wonder what percentage of various generations would be able to explain who EFF is or what they do. As a for instance.
I’m glad to see that it’s fairly common to see people talking about/using things like a VPN, for instance, but…if you then “log in” to whatever brand for a “better experience”? Okay, you hid your traffic from your ISP but, not much else. All that data is flowing into that company(ies) servers, never to be deleted. If you trust that company as being “one of the good ones” right now, doesn’t mean it will stay that way. Look no further than something like Xitter - many people believed they were “good” (lol) before fElon’s takeover, most people sure don’t think so now. All that data you gave up is now his.
There’s also a matter of small businesses and artists that despite what people here might think need platforms like this because regular people are too fucking stupid to go to a website.
Or I guess we could all just fucking starve to death and you could all just go shopping at Walmart.
I agree, but the bad thing is, a lot of people (especially kids) are addicted to TikTok and other apps. They crave it. So similar to smoking, they know it’s bad but still can’t quit.
TikTok showed it couldn’t be trusted when it performatively kissed Trump’s ass.
I’ve enjoyed RedNote. Just nice people doing fun, culture, and everything lighthearted.
Had to know that was gonna be part of the deal
The portion for collecting “sexual orientation, status as transgender or non binary, citizenship or immigration status” is under a section called, “information you provide” which means that it’s only collected if the user provides the information.
TikTok has been proven to collect phone number, contacts, photo library, and text messages from you without permission and send it to a server in Beijing on a chinese military base.
They don’t give a fuck about your consent, never have.
Do you have to provide it explicitly, or is the algorithm inferring it from all of your habits (which you “provide” in the form of clicks and views)?
You could “provide” it by doing activities that are fed in to an algorithm to determine your status.
Yeah five bucks says if your watch history is exclusively LGBT related content that’s going to tip people off
Yeah, remember when Trump “saved” Tiktok? This is what he was doing. You fucking idiots celebrated when you should have been taking it as a sign to leave that app and never return.
Honestly, TikTok was corrupt and malicious from the moment its servers in beijing went online.
We did that is why we are here. You need to be saying this on tik tok
No one should be going anywhere near tik tok after reading this. They shouldn’t have before, but especially not now.
There were people here celebrating Donvict doing that?
I’ll never understand why Americans would prefer TikTok be US owned than China owned. What is China going to do? Propaganda is the worst they can realistically do. The US government can send ICE agents to arrest, beat, and torture you, in your home, without a warrant
I just expect China to share that shit regardless tbh. Maximum chaos on the American empire.
Something tells me the royal “you” you’re mad at isn’t on the fediverse
All the corporate controlled social media is complicit, including Meta and obviously X. They make it so easy and entertaining, just like Fux News. There are much less invasive alternatives like Mastodon but people are lazy/stupid.
I called this shit 7 months ago. (Check my very first post.)
Now, at that time, there was discussion of “public-private” cooperation concerning the cybersecurity of that data so it could (paraphrasing) “stay in the hands of American people.” Lolol.
No doubt a similar agreement is in place and this shit is vectored directly to the US gov.
(Sorry, I start getting long-winded here.)
Fuck the technocracy. Bunch of cowardly assholes using and clearly planning to use Americans’ personal info against them en masse. The algorithms have manipulated us, pitting wage slave against wage slave. And all that extracted data will continue being utilized in siccing the brownshirts they rabbit-holed and radicalized onto conveniently corralled targets. Us.
We have to fight their algorithm manipulation with not only data poisoning and/or removing ourselves from the tech altogether, but good ol’ fashioned interpersonal psychological manipulation. And what I mean by that is physically talking to humans outside our bubble. Find some common ground. Believe it or not, it still exists. Use seemingly innocuous quips to plant seeds of doubt. Try to reach the human that may or may not still exist in that withered husk you work with, that maga uncle with a maga son so in the closet it hurts, the ones just acting like it’s all okay. Help them see the writing on the wall that they, too, will lose.
By completely disengaging with people we think are beyond redemption, we are possibly allowing so many with a shred of heart left to continue down the rabbit hole in private. People are stupid. And we know this division is by design. Fight it with well-placed words before they do something irredeemable and we have nothing left to fight with but arms.
A vast number of maga figureheads and followers sure seem to be living in a world of shared psychosis. And when you’re in a psychosis, it genuinely feels like everyone’s out to get you for reasons you can only justify with increasingly difficult mental gymnastics. But it’s all manufactured by the very real psychopaths in power, the ones ensuring the cult psychosis keeps perpetuating.
I guess what I’m saying is there’s still time to pull some of these followers or in-betweeners out of it by shifting the focus of what they think they have to fear by showing them what they really need to fear. A spin on killing them with kindness.
Idk tho. I’m just mad all of this dystopian hatred shit didn’t just stay inside all the books I read growing up.
It’s a cult, it’s literally using cult trapping tactics, that’s why people are so delusional. Knowing that, might help in how you approach, should you choose to try.
Look after yourself, too. It’s all a lot to take on, and they want everyone stuck in fight or flight, because it literally shuts down your critical thinking. The most empowering thing to do, right now, is beat their game against you, and find ways to bring yourself down out of fight or flight, after seeing the stuff going on, because your fight or flight can’t tell the difference between being there and watching a video. Complete the stress cycle after you see this stuff, hum, sing, dance or go for a walk, are some options.
Find ways to decompress. Maybe it’s going to get hard, having good strategies to help yourself cope, and learning tools and techniques to undo the damage seeing this does, is going to make this an easier ride. We can beat them. They know that. They are scared of us. We will get through this.
They think we’re bad people. Even when we’re being good people and being nice and very sweet and etc., etc. etc. they get told by fucking Fox News were bad and that’s all they care about.
It’s not going to be that easy. I talked to them plenty because my husband won’t let me get the fuck away from his family. Oh they seem so fucking nice. They’ll agree with every fucking thing you say. And they’ll sell you right the fuck out for Trump. No doubt.
They would literally tell you how awful everything that is going on today is and then fucking put you on a list tomorrow.
I know I’ve watched until their own fucking daughter how they regret her going to college because she learned woke values. How she’s a bad person and I don’t even know why to be honest. She did everything her parents expected of her To do literally graduated right before Trump became president. The moment he became president she was a bad person.
Explain that—these people doing that to their own daughter and she’s the golden child of the family. They would sell out their own kids they will sell all of us out.
Just don’t do it
What is this view? This looks like a good way to audit apps
Apple’s AppStore.
It’s information availible on various app store front ends
side note the instagram app says it wont work on my android phone from 2021 lol
it’s a screenshot of the iphone app store
What do other “social media” apps look like for this same screen, I wonder?
Facebook
Good question!
Facebook
Instagram
Mastodon
Voyager for Lemmy
PeerTube
Edit: Federated is the way
Thank you. Pretty much what I had expected, haha.
Now THAT is spyware!
And people are like: yeah, i need that
That is insane
Has this impacted the app availible in europe etc? I don’t use platforms I cannot use outside of a browser, dunno how much better that is
Nah we use the Chinese one
The USA version of Tik Tok is a different version than the one used in the rest of the world. As far as I know the USA version is now owned by USA? So I guess they can do all sorts of crazy things with it that won’t affect the rest of the service
Maybe the lawyer isn’t lying but it doesn’t matter why the data was collected. Once it is collected it can be used for anything.
