I’ve always hated the email analogy, it only added to the confusion for me when I was first dipping my toe into Lemmy.
We should just stop explaining federation. If someone wants to give it a try, point them to one instance you like, and let them go there.
If they come from Reddit, it looks similar enough for them to use it.
It’s something that we should semi-explain or be like if you have questions just message / talk to me about it and I’ll give more information.
But yeah we often give to much info and overload people in one go.
If anyone’s curious:
Video showing them. I wish they would show the inside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3P2USPFDcE
appeared online in the early 2020’s
I still cannot comprehend that it’s now the late 2020s. FFS, it’s 2022
Wouldn’t this still be mid-2020s? I’ve always though it goes like 0-3 early, 4-6 mid, 7-9 late
By late 2016, construction work on the castles was behind schedule. This was initially attributed to the cold winter weather, then to a failed military coup that July.
This part is funny to me because that coup lasted hours. My parents made fun of me for going to bed right before it began and waking up after the coup was done.
It sounds more like they happened to find an excuse for delays by some divine luck. (Altough there were delay-causing events AFTER the coup)
I prefer the analogy of a fleet of ships - free-traders and pirates alike. Some captains refuse to pass along messages to other captains, and that’s alright, because consent should matter, after all, and someone’s “right to free speech” does (or rather should) not trump my right to not have to listen to their crap, nor my right if I were a captain to not have to platform it.
So you pick a captain that shares your values, or perhaps you become one of your own.
PieFed has made huge strides in cross-community visibility (multi-communities and combining comments across cross-posts), and in explaining what each instance is all about (see https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser), and in migration of whole entire communities between instances.
The Fediverse is not like email. It’s like self-hosting your own email server. 🤔😝 But it’s getting better. And people will put up with complexity if they see the value behind doing so - it’s just that with so little content, and what content there is being so toxic, especially to newcomers, that it’s not worth much of a hassle for them to keep trying whenever they hit a hurdle. Lowering the barriers will help enormously with that, as will increasing the level of enrichment to power through.
Reminds me of this. There’s a couple of roma towns/neighborhoods in Romania that look even more ridiculous. They’re competing with each other to have the tallest house with the most number of little tower thingies or something because I’ve passed through there a couple of years ago and it seems to be getting more and more out of hand.
Reminds me of winter town in Arcachon https://www.arcachon.com/en/je-fais-des-travaux-en/tourism/discovery/exceptional-locations/the-ville-dhiver-winter-town/
Well that’s just fun.
The funniest and most shallow thing about that is those houses are often empty on the inside
Could be. Although some are just as ridiculous on the inside
It feels like raiding dungeons actually but that could work too
So many comments in here hating on the “like email” wording. To be honest, it’s been awhile since I’ve even seen any large number of comments using that analogy, but also, the “like email” part was pretty much always paired with additional explanation on which parts are like that and which parts differ from that. Like most analogies, it’s not a perfect 100% 1-to-1 pairing of all features and function, otherwise, it wouldn’t be an analogy. I’m not sure why so many people struggle with understanding that.
No, it’s not like email. It’s like Glibbleschmorken except there’s not mandatory prereconcillation of sychroncratic communication.
That’s inaccurate, my dude, it’s nothing like Glibbleschmorken, it’s more like WUD where there’s a multiplier for the scoring quotient and no centralized conglomeration.
False. WUD SUX. There’s only no centralized conglomeration if you ignore the fact that every hovel has API underpinning that strategizes the discombobulation. But, that’s basically ignoring the facts. Federation is clearly just like UDP.
And so on. Ad nauseam.
The “it’s like email” analogy was always doomed, because the people saying it know how email works at a technical and architectural level, while the people hearing it know email as “that thing that Just Works ™️ to send messages to anyone else with an email address”.
At that level, the Fediverse and Email are nothing alike.
I don’t agree. But, even if I was fully on board with that, I’d say “it’s like email” is still orders of magnitude more relatable as an analogy than telling non-technical people it’s like a BBS, it’s like UDP, it’s like, technical mumbo-jumbo that the majority of the audience probably doesn’t even know by name recognition, let alone understand what these things are and how they work.
Analogies are rarely perfect (I’d argue good analogies are never perfect).
Is the “polite society” in the room with us right now?
Is it at X-twitter?
Crosspost comment consolidation helps with that issue.
Already available on Piefed, planned on Lemmy 1.0.
planned on Lemmy 1.0.
Closed as not planned: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/3415
That’s… sad to see.
I’ll probably make a post about this when I have some time. Community fragmentation is still quite a large issue across the Threadiverse, it was supposed to be solved by this.
How does this interact with moderation? I never considered that viable because how wildly… Shall we say diverse .ml, .world, and the rest of the fediverses’ moderation schemes are.
Each community’s comments are separated although still on the same page. Here is a good example - https://piefed.social/c/technology/p/1765981/google-sent-personal-and-financial-information-of-student-journalist-to-ice
Oh, that’s neat.
Thanks for the example :)
That’s cool! I just wish the header was more subtle, but that’s only a css thing
I must be missing something because I only see two main comments on that post and the sub comments.
I’m on voyager app tho so that’s likely a limiting feature even tho it’s supposed to be working on that comparability.
Can you show me a screenshot of what you meant to show?
You could just pop it open in your browser… don’t even need an account.
Hypothetically yes, but I only ever accessed fediverse through non-apps briefly before I swapped to the app. I was part of the Reddit app-based exodus. That was the whole reason I came here; to support app devs.
If it’s not reflected in apps, lots of people will never see it. That’s all. I can go out of my way to see it but I don’t see it in my normal interface. Voyager is still working on full piefed support
I think some of us are just kind of used to checking things directly since certain features and concepts may not yet be implemented in things like clients due to being, essentially, the bleeding edge.
Yeah, I get it. You more techie people tend to assume everyone does what you do, and that’s fine, but totally unrealistic overall. I’m not nearly as techie as you probably are, but more than your average user, and tbh the barrier here is pretty high already, even without those assumptions of capability.
If they won’t do the work on other platforms, they certainly won’t here. Y’all need to stop pretending they will. It’s not doing any favors I’m sorry.
This is funny but it’s a very unfair comparison. That neighbourhood is fully abandoned with exactly 0 residents, and you know it would probably be shit even if it was finished as planned. The fediverse has at least some real people and is actually a fun place.
It’s like email. Deal with it.
I can. But I can’t exist in polite society. So… here we are.
Oh, I can exist in polite society just fine.
It’s just that I don’t want to.
“Polite society” ain’t.
To be honest? For me it’s the fun type of broken-and-hilarious. Once I got used to the Fediverse, most of the things I could complain about it are found in the equivalent closed platforms.
Greetings!
Hello
I assure you, the alternative to the fediverse is not polite society, not in my experience. Unlike other platforms one is allowed to be wrong here and getting corrected doesn’t trigger the fight, flight, freeze or fawn response.
I could exist in polite society, but why would I want to?
If it was polite I’d be existing there right now
