Programmers are cooked.
oh snap, root’s here
Getting it to open on someone else’s computer is like the first thing about web development
My direct experience is that, using chatgpt, making basic html DOM elements is simple, but coding behaviours in a reliable manner isn’t as simple. And css shouldn’t even need AI to be coded effectively. Javascript is the part where the ineffciency and the weird behaviour of a website are. I bet there are professional web design tools that use ai, but using genAI for that is…uh
I’d sooner use Frontpage.
Man, Frontpage was the fucking bomb. I passed my computing class in highschool by just making websites in frontpage.
I‘d sooner use a 25 year old pirated version of Macromedia Dreamweaver.
Somewhere, in the dephts of the ancient 56k web, exists a website I made with friends when we were in middle school. It’s actually still online, and half of the resources are pulled from urls like file:///D:/MegaSite/lol.JPG
This data has been lost forever, but yet, somehow, parts of that yesteryears afternoon at my friend’s are still here.
frontpage was a rare microslop win
FrontPage was initially created by Cambridge, Massachusetts company Vermeer Technologies, Incorporated, evidence of which can be easily spotted in file names and directories prefixed _vti_ in web sites created using FrontPage. Vermeer was acquired by Microsoft in January 1996 specifically so that Microsoft could add FrontPage to its product line-up, allowing them to gain an advantage in the browser wars, as FrontPage was designed to create web pages for their own browser, Internet Explorer.
Frontpage Express is how I learned basic HTML.
Basically I’d make something look like how I wanted, then just delete all the extra trash and repeating tags until I knew enough of what it did to write my own.
Likewise.
Unfortunately everything else I learned was ethereal and went away, and I’ve got a learning disability that really doesn’t like it when a new system is slightly different than a previous system I’d learned.
I was all in on .shtml (anything but php or css), Shockwave/Macromedia Director 7 and Bryce for graphics.
I could never get back into it using the mainstream stuff.
Same here! I started sprinkling in JavaScript from copy and paste snippets you’d find all over the web and eventually I moved on to PHP (for a small while) then Ruby on Rails.
I thought I used Coffezilla, but it looks like maybe it was CoffeeCup, except at a glance I’m not sure that’s a WYSIWYG editor. Maybe things changed in the intervening decades.
Angelfire was the peak.
This motherfucker over here is ruining the good name of Bens all over the planet
As a Ben, I think I speak for all of us when I say that this Ben does not represent us or our Benly sensibilities.
As a Ben myself, Ben’s can eat shit. I’ve never met a Ben I didn’t want to punch or fuck.
So… What happens when you look in a mirror?
I leave you to make assumptions.
self-BDSM
Pretty much sums up a lot of younger people who didn’t grow up learning far more hands-on basic computer use. Z and A are gonna be the “AI” generation that surrenders the last of critical thought and hands it all to walled gardens of instant, tailored, and curated information.
It’s already happening.
We get support tickets from professional engineers.
Sometimes it is “my software isn’t working send me how to get it working.” No details on what is not working or what they were doing, so we have to dig the information from them. Like “is your computer on, do you have a network connection, are you connected to your work server, oh you thought google search access is same as VPN to work? …”
Its rare to get somebody on the call that says “when I open this file and do this, this other thing happens, and here is the sample file and steps I did”
Other things are like: “This software is supposed to output this in this way, but it’s not.”
So we open the dialog and watch their steps, software says select objects to export, they are clicking Ok with no result, so we have to point out the message they are supposed to read…see where it says select an object to export, and it is highlighted in yellow to draw your attention and has a red asterisk? Yes? Well they are talking to you, you have to do the action required.I can understand grandma not understanding software, but an engineer is supposed to be a problem solver.
What you tryna say bout granny? keep her name out your mouth!
bro still on windows 💀
No hate, but I am relieved to switch back to Windows 10 after a year of Fedora. Partly because I need Windows for work, but mostly because Fedora and GNOME suck.
Never tried them, what did you hate?
Fedora:
1. Missing Basic GUI Settings
- Startup applications
- No full shortcut customization
- Need to install extensions for basic features
- Media codecs missing by default (no clear indication or prompt)
- You need to enable RPM Fusion (no prompt, hidden toggle)
- Apps not installed via the software center must be removed via the terminal
- Editing app menu entries through a third-party app (unstable / breaks frequently)
2. Issues
- Wi-Fi not working initially
- Onboard GPU not working initially (and also no indication, noticed it in system monitor)
- Couldn’t get the printer driver to work
- GRUB menu became misconfigured
- System stopped booting at some point
GNOME
(GNOME used in Fedora Workstation)
1. UI Design
- No app dock by default
- App grid/selector sucks
- No minimize button by default
- Calculator results cannot be copied
- Search resets when exiting search view
- Thunderbird tray not working
2. Customization
- Cannot properly remap the Windows/Super key
- Very limited ability to customize touchpad gestures
3. Wayland / Mutter Compositor
- GNOME uses Mutter compositor, which has no support for
gtk4-layer-shell - Some apps, like Activity Watch, don’t work due to Wayland’s security philosophy
id prefer fedora with kde for just working. but i personally use arch for gameing :3
I’m sure one day Linux will run the top professional CAD programs. One day.
As a web designer (well, customizer/reseller for small businesses) I definitely thought I was done for when I heard AI could spit out a functional website in one prompt. Then I saw some examples and realized it’s just going to be another thing clients bring me, begging for a fix. No problemo, small upcharge.
Small upcharge? Unfucking a whole front end and backend should be more than small.
They may just be fucked front ends running completely client side, with broken functionality due to no backend
I gave Claude a shot at guiding me through an install of a matrix home server the other day. It got about halfway through before it absolutely shat itself. I mean like going in circles and completely incapable of breaking itself out.
And that’s for a fairly easy sysadmin task. Not even doing it right, just doing it to the point where the service can be brought up and be accessible. I cannot believe anyone is under the impression that these bots are going to take anyone’s jobs. The only thing that’s going to “destroy jobs” is the rabid desperation management has to destroy labor.
Yeah that’s a common issue I’ve seen with Gemini and ChatGPT as well. They can do simple tasks but as soon as it’s something that requires more than a 5-6 steps, or if there are complications along the way they will get lost. Also ChatGPT will commonly just make up commands if it doesn’t actually know how to do something.
I will say that after I went back to my normal usage pattern of going as far as I could alone and then asking the chatbot what went wrong it did save me a ton of time by suggesting I check whether caddy was importing from
conf.d, which it wasn’t.I would have gotten there eventually, but not was it nice not having to hunt through snarky unhelpful forum comments on my own.
I just did a long winded reply to your other comment before seeing this one. Seems like we landed in the same place! Hope the server is working well you
It’s been a good decade since I did any “serious” sysadmin tasks.
I get to do it again because it appears we actually do want some features synapse supports that conduit doesn’t, door knocking being a big one. I also get to write user facing documentation as well; the “techy” person I enlisted to help me test the core conduit services got very frustrated by the onboarding process even with my handholding.
I sound annoyed but I genuinely love doing this kinda stuff. I’m stupid, and figuring out where I screwed up is fun. Plus I get to make an onboarding webpage to explain things, which is gonna be loads of fun
I did the same thing a few days ago, but I’m also pretty well versed with self hosting tedious-to-configure services. I would have spent hours rabbit-holing before setting up, and Claude just sped up the process.
I spent most of my time researching and forming an action plan, arguably the most important piece. Within two hours I had a Matrix server stood up with element-web, as well as coturn for calls. Setting up Element-Call for groups took a little longer, but not terrible all told.
I guess what I’m saying is if you’re experienced with a given task, it can be a really great tool to speed things along. If you want to sit back and have it run the show, you’re going to have a rough time.
Instructions unclear, stuck in Ralph loop
Oh god you got me looking up Ralph loops… Please, I don’t need this rabbithole!
Which is funny, since even a non-techie can setup a website using wordpress.
A lot of them do.
or our sponsor, squarespace! use code “lemmygeddat” for a whopping 5% off your first day!
Local storage? Wouldn’t it be saved to their OneDrive?
That’s the joke. Guys says his job is done for, by buddy building a website via chatgpt, except the guy knows nothing about how the internet works.
Behold! My vibe coded website!
What was that bash.org quote where the guy hacks into 127.0.0.1 and deletes his hard drive?
It’s amazing i love the frontend!
Honestly, it looks like janky shit. That CSS looks like some moron cobbled it together.
I didn’t know those photos had gone public. I swear it isn’t what it looks like!
That looks exactly like mine! Did you copy me?
deleted by creator
At least you got the http server running.
Im so disappointed that this isnt a rick roll link
It might be for some of us
It’s asking for a password.
Edit: Never mind, I tried the one from my luggage and it worked.
TIL that I’m a programmer
Entire website
Also known as the most basic thing you could ever do
I made an entire website for my ship using notepad by frankensteining together other websites. Everyone on board thought I was a genius. How wrong they are.
Saw a generated site, but it just made up plausible image links and also went image heavy so it was a bunch of broken image icons as it linked to nowhere.
Haha your job is so done
