Fuck the sponsors of this genocide which is the United Arab Emirates (UAE) that support the so called ‘Rapid Support Forces’, and fuck the supporters of UAE, Germany. UAE is making shitloads of money from this bestiality as they provide the (partly German) weaponry and get paid in Sudanese blood-gold. Germany is supporting UAE for nodding to everything Israel does.
It’s a tossup whether Germany runs with evil again for WW3. I have no clue where they will stand, and that’s pretty damning of them.
Americans have no power we can’t even get healthcare, family leave, affordable college, food assistance or affordable housing and they’re literally building for profit concentration camps everywhere. Our future is medical bankruptcy, homelessness, mass surveillance, “terrorist watch lists” and a core civic slave labor camps
In a world ravage by climate change no less!
And pedofiles
Yea unfortunately if America’s enemies can’t use the genocide to split the american population, it’s not getting shared on Facebook. It takes a lot of paid posting to get people worked up about genocide. Why these rabid leftists can’t get excited about an African genocide idk, but mostly because no jews or America I think! harder to blame America for desertification and European colonialism.
God damn, what a stupid thing to say
Somewhere on the Main page right now someone’s stills screaming about Genocide Joe! Like you are brainwashed heathens. Lend me those down votes they can’t amount to the death you’ve caused by your “activism”. If you gave a fuck about an African genocide you’d be allowing refugees to come in. You people don’t give a fuck about anything but internet up-doots and virtue signaling. America always took in African refugees during these times. I got large populations down the road. Great people. Now they are doomed to die and suffer because Genocide Joe am I rite gang?
Your cross heavy enough?
Like I don’t recall the nazi’s having a group of people that ran around trying to defend the Jews while also making their lives infinitely worse. You guys made yourself a special place in genocide history. I’m not letting that shit go. Like I’ve never seen a group of people come together to support a cause and fuck it up so bad. It’s truly worth a chapter in the old history books… if they have those in 10 years.
Again talking out your ass. You have no idea who I am or what I stand for. The special place in genocide history is for those enabling the genocide, democrats, republicans, the Israelis, the Russians, some Sudanese. Get off your high horse.
Na look how mad y’all are. I gotta troll you ever chance I get because you fucked my american empire to death with your virtue signaling and now Palestine is smoldering and when its done burning it will be a nice TRUMP resort.
Morons.
Imagine talking out your ass so much, you literally have no idea about who I am, or where I live. Talk about moronic.
The Sudanese are killing themselves
We’re ALL humans
You are not wrong.
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The problem isn’t that genocide is thrown around everywhere. The problem is that it happens everywhere. They’re all real actual genocides. They are all terrible.
But normal people have never cared about it as long as it doesn’t happen in their proximity. If even then… as long as it doesn’t happen to them.
After WW2 the UN was formed and they swore they would make sure genocide never happened again. And then they just stood by and watched as Rwanda happened. They literally stood on the ground, inside Rwanda. And didn’t do anything.
They literally stood on the ground, inside Rwanda. And didn’t do anything.
a good read on this and how the hands of peacekeepers were tied by politcans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_Hands_with_the_Devil_(book)
I’m an atheist but his foreword is chilling, from memory it went something like this
“I know god exists because i have seen the devil, sat opposite him and shaken his hand”
The UN defined genocide back in 1946 and was codified in 1948. It’s very clearly laid out.
#Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
This definition means every war is genocide; 1, 2, and 3 are all a given in any war
So, anyone can use the term accurately when describing war (according to UN)
Wars involve more discriminate killing and usually combatants doing killing. there’s usually military leadership and objectives. There’s a special word for when an unorganized group of people starts killing another unorganized group of people for using a different dialect. I think for me it’s a genocide when it’s the civilian population doing most of the killing. Versus a civil war where civilians are fighting a military apparatus with leadership. fine line between a civil war and a genocide, much more defined line between a real war and genocide.
Your definition excludes a lot of genocides, including the Holocaust, unless the SS are to be considered an unorganized group of civilians. Bosnia, Armania, Cambodia, most except Rwanda.
Of course, that would exclude Gaza as well.
so as far as holocaust goes, before there was infrastructure in place, the public had been riled up by the government and was happily handing people over and attacking the out groups. We can’t just examine the holocaust as its end product (which was still operated partially by civilians and captives under SS leadership). There were was plenty of indiscriminate violence leading up to the systematic destruction. The germans just added layers of bureaucracy to their genocide, but it start with a good old fashioned witch hunt and evolved into something similar.
Idk but my understanding of Bosnia/Armina was it was almost exactly that, civilians attacking civilians with the aid of the military. To me those people come from the same damn mountain but to them they were inferior ethnic groups. Any time you start ethnic cleansing someone who looks just like you I’d say we’re happily at genocide. Cambodia was more of a civil war id say because there was an internal power that conquered. Pol Pot was a weird dude, he kinda stands out in his own league with hitler.
idk id debate semantics all day, its all unnecessary death and hopefully we can all agree on that.
it may be defined but applying all the elements to real situations is not at all trivial and I don’t think most people are painstakingly going through all the elements of the legal definition when they decide to use the word.
Can you give examples of things that were called genocide but actually weren’t and just watered the word down?
He is talking about Gaza. Spacecowboy has colorful views that were probably instilled into him at a young age.
When people hear the word genocide, how can they know if it’s actual genocide or a “genocide”?
You could never know since there isn’t an agreed upon or clear definition of genocide.
I remember people trying to bring awareness about Darfur 20 years ago.
Not much has changed…
The article is not wrong. But the reality is, we’ve tried to help places like a Sudan a lot over the decades. I’d say we helped TOO MUCH.
We sent food aid which made them dependent on us. It didn’t incentivise them to fix their issues, it just made them reliant on outside help. Meanwhile, the population skyrocketed. There’s more mouths to feed, more famine, more conflict.
At some point, a country needs to fix whatever’s broken. And it won’t be pretty; it never is. But I don’t think interfering in an internal conflict like this will do any good to anyone. Can we as the west even reasonably figure out who the ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ are in this conflict? Is there even a good or bad side to begin with?
We sent food aid which made them dependent on us. It didn’t incentivise them to fix their issues, it just made them reliant on outside help.
Just fyi, this is the same argument that conservatives use when trying to gut welfare programs
Well, I do imagine there’s some caveats as to the efficacy of welfare programs, but we’ll stick to this topic :D
There’s been hundreds of food programs over the decades, but there really isn’t a good way to do it. If you just sent aid to a government or group, it tends to either destabilise the local economy or empowers people you don’t want to empower, like armed groups who can just take that aid for themselves.
But if you send individual aid, there’s issues too. For example, let’s say you set up a ‘work for food’ program. Sounds great, right? But what that ends up doing is that the WFF option is more attractive than tending your own farm or doing work with future benefits. Basically, WFF pays now - a farm doesn’t.
The best way to help is to give people tools and knowledge. Teach a man to fish and all that. But when faced with kids starving now, that’s obviously a hard sell.
I work for a newspaper and actually spoke to a gentleman a couple days ago whose student group helped set up a school in Ghana 30 years ago. Kids who grew up in the literal gutter got free schooling there. And it works! The reason we spoke was because the school is now setting up a music program and they’re collecting used musical instruments. He told me that during his last visit, he met a girl who went to that school and was now graduating from university. Isn’t that amazing?
Problem is, that takes 20 years to do. And that’s a mighty difficult thing to accomplish in places that are actively in conflict like Sudan.
Food aid was never meant to develop amy country. It’s meant to reduce starvation in the near term. But that school in Ghana couldn’t be successful if their students were starving. Im just guessing but that school probably received a lot of food aid so that their students could learn without hunger.
The fighting drew in foreign weapons and money. Outside powers jockeyed to back a victor, secure a foothold in Sudan, and profit from its natural wealth. The country matters globally not just because of its size but because it sits on the Red Sea, a major trade route, and holds immense reserves of gold, oil, and agricultural land.
Youre definition of help needs work
I mostly agree. I think people got put off when it turns out most donations to African countries in turmoil are embezzled.
However, there is a selective activism and double standard when Palestine gets more attention than Sudan, and the Israel-Palestinian conflict had been going on for as long as the conflict in Sudan and its neighbouring countries.
TBF, seeing as Israel is basically an appendix of the US, it could in theory be controlled via the US. As others here pointed out, no such mechanism in Sudan.
You have it backwards, US is a mecha that Israel pilots.
Well, you see, you can’t talk to Israel. But you can talk to the US, who could stop funding Israel at any time.
And even then, you can’t talk to half the US.
“Have you considered not hand-delivering your family overseas to fight for oil?”
“I would but liberals would invade my home with electric cars and their transgenderism.”
One of the countries on the list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkNAQIuGZY
okay so let me get this straight. it’s up to me to sort out the fascism in my home country, stop the genocide in sudan, stop the genocide in gaza, stop the genocide in ukraine, stop the genocide in china, would you also like a pony sir? what ever happened to a people’s responsibility of self determination that y’all keep throwing in my face whenever i mention that the orange fuckface has become an international problem and it’s time to start employing economic sanctions to try reining in the united states? y’all stop your own genocides.
Don’t be late on your mortgage, tuition for any children, and taxes.
And if you keep your phone longer than 6 months you’re a loser.
70% of the world pisses and moans when america plays world police. 70% of the world pisses and moans when america doesn’t play world police.
Its because, much like the real police, they aren’t doing beneficial constructive things. If, they for example stepped in to stop what russia is doing to Ukraine most people would be happy, if they stepped in to stop what israel is doing, most people would be happy, if they stepped in to stop what is happening in Sudan most people would be happy instead they bombed children in Tehran.
Even if most real people would be happy, you can bet Israel, Russia, and the RSF + allies would astroturf the hell out of a “How dare America, evil world police, expansionist imperialism” campaign. And, just like how much of America is stupid, many people globally will believe it. It has happened before.
When has it happened before?
Thank you
What are you doing about the homeless crisis?
I have built 3 homeless shelters. You?
I work with the city housing advocacy board as a navigator who helps get people housing vouchers. Though I was mostly leaning into the doom posting, not really asking a question.
“3 homeless shelters”
that could be a tent you put up every summer at camp. We now need a more definitive definition of “homeless shelter” and “genocide”.
You got me, they’re actually a set of goalposts with a sheet over them - but it appears someone moved them.
The cheapest one cost 1.5 million dollars and was a 5 year project. Go bother someone else, poser
Why are you bothered by my post, and why don’t you use the word “poseur” instead? “Poser” is a poser term
You shouldn’t let responses bother you, it’s kinda sad
okay so let me get this straight. it’s up to me to sort out the fascism in my home country, stop the genocide in sudan, stop the genocide in gaza, stop the genocide in ukraine, stop the genocide in china,
Not only you but the rest of the population as well. And really, if we all cooperated together on this, these issues could be solved easily in a few years, if not months.
Not only you but the rest of the population as well. And really, if we all cooperated together on this, these issues could be solved easily in a few years, if not months.
If we really cooperated and agreed on the goals (that’s the hard one) we could fucking rebuild our society into a just and benevolent one practically overnight. I don’t want to go through eugenics wars to get there or whatever other horror science fiction says we need in order to do what we can intellectually conceptualize. The short version of that is “it works cause everyone who didn’t get it is dead!” and that’s one hell of a failure
Is there anything the rest of the world can do to help you with your orange fascist problem?
Because it seems to be in the way of solving a lot of the other issues.
stop the genocide in sudan, stop the genocide in gaza, stop the genocide in ukraine, stop the genocide in china
Is there anything the rest of the world can do to help you with your orange fascist problem? Because it seems to be in the way of solving a lot of the other issues
But Trump isn’t in Sudan, Gaza, Ukraine, or China; he’s not the cause of any of this.
he’s not a God, he’s just an old moron. when he dies, none of those issues will be solved or even improve in any way
Definitely. They just don’t have the balls to do it.
I have a list, ranging from targeted economic sanctions to explicit military actions though discussing the latter probably doesn’t just put me on a list, it probably puts me in a hole.
Targeted economic sanctions, specifically on US [-based multinational] corporations, specifically on Krasnov donors and investment vehicles Krasnov is known to have invested in: this is probably the strongest tool in y’alls arsenal without declaring war. Example: There was an oil embargo placed on Japan in/prior to ww2 and there’s good evidence to support that without said embargo, Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor. Basically, if you can’t target specific industries, cut the united states off from the world the way the world has cut off Cuba.
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A genocide anywhere is a huge problem. The US is playing a major role in the genocide in Palestine, so yes it makes sense that Americans are more concerned about that one than the one in Sudan.
What!? Do you not even care about climate change? Why do you hate nature?
A duck bit me once and now the world must burn
Now you live off oil stock dividends and named your children Hazel, Woody, and Deepak Horizon?
Deepwater Chopra
It’s up to you to bite the duck
I’m concerned if I bite it back I’ll get the runs out something. I hear they have worms
I think you should undergo duck conversion therapy so you can understand your enemy better
Noooooo I don’t want a ducking down
There’s much less direct military funding and support fueling Sudan so most people have no real outlet or mechanism for addressing it beyond support for humanitarian aid efforts and the UN.
There’s not an easily identified or direct policy that can be pointed at, as if an actor were receiving billions direct military aid and support. Like, even Israel is split on which side they’re supporting. Ukraine and Russia alike have supported opposition to the RSF.
It’s the UAE
When has the human race ever cared about a genocide, absent some material reason to do so?
What is the world supposed to do? Invade?
Yeah I feel the article has kind of a weird take on other countries not being involved. Americans have strong opinions and cares on Israel because our country works with Israel. America has more or less nothing to do with any of the factions in this Sudan issue. Same for many countries.
I would even take the issue getting equal time with gaza amoung internet slacktivists. Unfortunately the propaganda value for US politics is low, so it is what it is, I guess.
Uhh, yes, actually.
Fantastic. Do you have anyone particular in mind?
Or do you reckon the entire world should just send 2000 soldiers each and have them figure it out once they arrive?
Oh yes, because that worked so great in Somalia.
What exactly are you referring to?
Are you suggesting world nations intervened in Somalia to satisfy their obligations under the genocide conventions? Because that didn’t happen.
So you’re suggesting that invasions in order to prevent genocide work differently than all other interventions? You invade, say “Hello, we’re here to prevent genocide”, everyone makes peace, situation stabilizes and you can leave? Because ‘normal’ invasions (Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti…) tend to result in a shitshow and don’t improve the situation much. Even UN’s own research say that those only ‘sometimes’ work and domestic cooperation and consent is the most important factor in success [1]. So basically if you have a recognized government that asks for help intervention may be effective. Throwing more troops in the middle of an ongoing civil war most likely won’t.
- Donine, T., Khan, M., Landau, A., Solomon, D., & Woocher, L. (2025). Using peace operations to help prevent mass atrocities: Results from interviews with experienced practitioners.
You’re just mixing two different topics and trying to make them fit your argument.
You name examples of them never doing what they agreed they would do as a reason to not do it…
You’re just mixing two different topics and trying to make them fit your argument.
I’m citing report about prevention of mass atrocities in a topic about preventing genocide. What do you think doesn’t fit here?
You name examples of them never doing what they agreed they would do
What is that supposed to mean?
Iraq invasion was about regime change and did exactly that. Then it gave us ISIS.
Haiti was about stabilization and tried doing exactly that but turned out locals got angry about losing sovereignty, having their kids sexually exploited by peacekeepers and catching cholera from them.
Afghanistan was about removing the Taliban and tried doing this for 20 years without success.
Somalia was mostly stabilized but country is still one of the least developed in the world and in danger of massive famine.
The genocide convention obliges signatories to intervene to stop acts of genocide. Not to occupy and engage in war for decades to install a new regime of your liking and ensure your interests.
The US using rhetoric of Saddam being genocidal as one of many rhetorical reasons to invade Iraq for oil and securing Israel and to genocide Iraqis instead IS NOT what I’m suggesting. You naming it as a reason for genocide convention signatories to not act to prevent genocide is either really silly or really maliciously misleading.
What are other African nations doing about it?
Not sending weapons to the RSF
So, nothing. Gotcha.
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How can you talk about this, when there’s an ongoing genocide in Gaza? /s
It’s actually very sad, that a lot of harm could be prevented here, if it got even a tenth of the Gaza media coverage. But here it’s not Jews killing Arabs, but Arabs killing Africans. For some reason the left often turns a blind eye to Arab violence. And the right doesn’t care because they are killing Africans.
At least that’s my theory. It certainly also has something to do with Cameras and free press being a lot less common in Sudan. That leads to less pictures and videos, which leads to less social media engagement.
Maybe someone should tell trump that there is gold in Sudan. Maybe that’ll get some intervention. He seems to be very trigger happy as of late.
It’s talked about because Israel’s genocide is being done with our support and our weapons, and that support is clearly because of bribes and blackmail.
People protest about the genocide in Palestine because there is a demand for the imperialists to leave, meanwhile protesting about the genocide in Sudan would do nothing but convince the imperialists to come in thus making it worse.
Bro, I’m Palestinian and I can say the Sudanese people are as arab as anyone in the peninsula. When it comes to the Gaza genocide, sudanese people try more than any Arab nationality to aid, whether it be boycotting or donating.
If they could currently be doing anything about the massacre in their country, they would be. Most are going back and getting their family out of there, if they hadn’t already don’t that.
So, because governments aren’t listening to protesters about an unrelated genocide, this genocide is somehow protesters fault? Feels like you’re just reaching for a way to be racist towards Arabs.
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Jews are not being hunted in Europe or America.
Countries don’t really care about Gaza either, they care about Israel and because they care about Israel there is a counter-movement to care about Gaza, some of it financed by geopolitics, which makes it into the news cycle.
Imperialism, or a sternly worded letter? Choose your preference. The UN is present and has condemned what is happening in Sudan, and this article literally cites them as a source. Presumably they are no one, so no one cares.
