If Biden did that, it would have been anarchy right now
They’d just have rolled it all back on Jan 21.
You’re not wrong but would have still had to layout the ground rules somewhere along the way. That and biden would have forced something through.
I mean, there was plenty of time between November and Jan 21 to rendition 3 justices, anyone in Congress tied to Russian money, the entire trump campaign and all of the Republican money middlemen that launder Russian money for political campaigns
There isn’t going to be another government or another free election until the current regime is put to the sword.
If it isn’t entirely obvious that’s the next play, I agree.
Agree. But who will do that?
Can’t say.
There’s no need to cancel elections when fascists will easily win again.
At this point the main priority for the democrats has to be reforming the American voting system.
First past the post needs to go away, permanently.
It is ridiculous to have situations where a state population votes 51% for one candidate and 49% for the other, while the state as a whole gets to throw out the 49% of the other candidate.
Once that happens, other parties will spring up and actually have a possible way to get elected.
I’ve always agreed, though some have needlessly stood in opposition. The fact is someone else has to take the wheel, and win, for it to happen and democrats at large aren’t creative enough to get it done.
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… have gone, my dude.
They would need to grow spines first.
Lol he doesn’t know about controlled opposition
We can manipulate the dems to our own purposes. But in order to do so, we first need to admit that the dems are fucking stupid and can’t take hints.
AOC has the right idea, she’s speaking their own dumdum language to manipulate them into not sucking.
If we manage to have another presidential election, I will be behind any progressive or Democrat that promises to use the presidency in the exact way as Trump.
We’re due for some public executions
Forcing an rewritten version of the Constitution that eliminates flaws and loopholes, enacting term and age limits on all elected offices and the judiciary, deleting the electoral college, and so forth?
I am in.
That’s literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.
Neoliberals don’t change the system, they ARE the system. You’re not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d’être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.
Nope.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Pubs don’t give a shit
That first part is kinda what I’m saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they’re supposed to represent want.
Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.
It’s like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.
Well this is the bitch: you can’t play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.
Don’t play chess with pigeons
So how it usually plays out is that destroying is usually much easier than building.
So if the oligarchs destroy the rules, you will not win by trying to rebuild them. You will only get back to some sense of normal by shooting back and making them understand why the rules were there. And I don’t mean threats.
The moment the office of the president was given complete immunity from everything, Biden should have had Musk shot. More realistically, Dems should have fought judicial appointments the same way as Reps did, and actually appointed activist judges instead of trying and failing to appoing Merrick fucking Garland.
The eleventh hour of the “system” was prosecuting Trump. That system does not exist anymore, there is nothing to defend at this point.
That’s a false dichotomy.
You’re assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today’s circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.
I’m not advocating for Dems to do either. I’m advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it’s necessary and justified.
Following rules for their own sake even when it’s clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.
Not assuming a falsity at all - the rules in question are due process
So THAT’S where you want the goal posts now?
Sure, due process is an inalienable human right that should never be infringed upon.
That obviously wasn’t what I was talking about, though.
Sorry, should have been clearer: due LEGISLATIVE process
And that attitude is how we got here:
They’ve got dozens of excuses for failure, that’s just one of them.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Tell that to Nancy’s stock portfolio… Or is that “legal”?
Either way they’re 2 rich 2 resist.
old guard dems are just GOP in disguise, because they often work together behind the scenes making deals, they both of the same megadonors, additionally they hope to get by being “not-republican” candidates.
Presidential immunity gives a democratic incumbent the right to slap a republican senator daily
Dems would have to oppose fascism first. Good luck with that.
Smells like fucking Tankie in here.
Sorry, I get the spirit of the meme and it’s nice to daydream but fuck no. I don’t trust the Democrats to do anything in the interest of the people.
It’s not whether you trust one absolutely or not.
It’s always, as ever, relative. You pick between the options for the best bad option or you abdicate your vote and then must suffer (potentially) the worst of both worlds.
What I mean is I don’t want the Democrats to go hog wild with the law the same way the Republicans are because they are also owned by the Capitalists. Since I don’t have another choice of course I’m very likely to Vote Blue No Matter Who™️ to my great displeasure, unless a more progressive party takes the lead by a landslide and actually has a good chance of winning
Ideally they’d take over the Dem party since it would solve multiple problems simultaneously: a relevant progressive party + existing infrastructure + no neoliberal faux-progressive party that would split their vote
And that’s why you have Trump destroying lives and sending the world in a vector towards endless war. Because people like you don’t trust Democrats, in spite of their legislation and vote history.
I don’t trust them but they’ve gotten my vote consistently so I’m not sure why my trust has affected anything other than the calls I’ve made to their offices
You’re not exactly out here in public promoting them.
I don’t trust the Democrats to do anything in the interest of the people.
If anything you’re telling people not to vote for them.
Correct. They have not earned my vote. I will not promote them. They deserve my vote and my support as much as someone pointing a gun at my head does. “Hey, at least I’m not pulling the trigger like that other guy” is not a platform.
I will tell other people to vote for them when there is literally no other option because that’s all that they are - better than the alternative - but they have earned none of the suggestions I give.
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“If” doing some heavy lifting there
As a dem voter I’m use to betting on precariously placed ‘ifs.’
