• AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    This is how Democracy works. We had an election and America chose Trump. Hard to believe but it happened. America comes together to let that person lead until the next election, this is how America is supposed to work. It is sad that so many people don’t understand how the system should work.

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      America comes together to let that person lead until the next election, this is how America is supposed to work

      After 4 years straight of former-President Trump actively campaigning on a platform built exclusively on vilifying the sitting President, it’s time for unity ya’ll.

      The Republican party may have transitioned its entire platform into “fuck the democrats” and actively supported an insurrection but now that they’re in power again we gotta stand together behind the convicted fascist, because apparently that’s how democracy works.

      Democracy is dead in this country. Don’t believe me? Strange. How odd that elections are rigged when Republicans lose, but democracy is alive and well when they win.

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        I never thought the election was rigged. Political rivals talking shit about eachother isn’t anything new. I’m not sure exactly what you are crying about but the election is over.

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          Oh, okay. Political rivals talking shit. That’s what happened on January 6th.

          Just the President that you want everyone to support, talking so much shit that people died. You didn’t think it was rigged, but you want everyone to support the man who spent 4 years calling it rigged, constantly saying that democracy is dead and only he could “fix” it. The same man who personally sent his supporters to “fight like hell” and assault police and threaten congress to “fix” it.

          It’s so funny how people like you are so willing to support things you disagree with.

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            I think everyone should support whomever wins the election as that is the will of the people. That is how democracy works. Whoever wins in 2028 I will do my part to support, that is my responsibility as a citizen that supports democracy.

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              Right, and when the President commits crimes, attempts to overthrow his own elections, and says “you won’t need to vote anymore” that’s still democracy working as designed. Totally responsible to support that. For democracy.

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    15 days ago

    Yes correct. Because fundamentally there is no significant difference between Democrats and Republicans. Money and favor buy votes across the aisle the same as it buys anything else regardless of political affiliation.

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      mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.

      When will people wake up and realize the Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil? They exist to give us an illusion that someone is fighting on our behalf, they exist to pacify us, they exist to allow capitalism to turn us into wage-slaves.

      They’ll take a knee with us, they’ll give record breaking speeches, they’ll march with us in the peaceful phases, they’ll be on the front line even. They’ll hold rallies and raise incredible amounts to “flight fascism”, and then they’ll step in line and vote to keep the wheel turning RIGHT.

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        mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.

        Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO

        I fully expect the DNC to launch a bigger underhanded attack against the both of them than the Republicans do.

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          Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO

          Both Sanders and AOC both support Israel. The progressive base may like them better than “the old guard” but they’re not exactly in love with these two. It’s a begrudging vote, not a happy one.

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              I mean, support for genocide is wholly evil, I don’t care what your other policies are. lol Evil is evil lil bro. There’s no such thing as a lesser degree of evil.

              It would be the same if like, Donald Trump was a perfect candidate, but he’s also a sexual predator. That should immediately disqualify him, otherwise you’re supporting that behavior.

              Bernie and AOC most closely align with my political viewpoints, but they’re also supporting genocide… If I support them, then I’m also supporting genocide. Is what it is.

              If that pisses you off, then maybe talk to Bernie and/or AOC about their stance on Israel.

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                  15 days ago

                  Yes. There are several recent instances where he’s “slamming” Israel. And then 3 decades where they’re best friends, including up to the end of 2024…

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            Hasn’t Sanders opposed Israeli military policy pretty publicly, including voting to block arms sales? [1] [2]

            Didn’t AOC accuse Israel of committing genocide on the house floor? [3]

            In what way do they support Israel? It hasn’t been my impression that they support genocide or American culpability in it.

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              They’ve only very recently begun to change their public opinion on it. Last year this time Bernie was catching heat for refusing to support a permanent ceasefire;

              Senator Bernie Sanders’s refusal to call for a permanent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas has put him at odds with many of the same progressives […] ^1

              Additionally, this is AOCs stance on Israel: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th

              As you can see, she strongly condemns Hamas, which is great. She strongly condemns Israel, and Netanyahu, which is great. And I totally agree with the entire statement all the way down until the last paragraph;

              None of this was inevitable. And it can still be stopped. Hamas, Israel, and Hezbollah should agree to a lasting ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon.

              Hamas is a terrorist organization which was quite literally created by Israel by their systematic abuse of an entire group of people. There’s nothing about this entire situation that wasn’t inevitable. You can’t abuse a people for decades, encroach on their lives, livelihood, murder them, strongly police them, continually treat them like shit and sub-human and expect them not to retaliate. Much like the US is directly responsible for the situations leading to terrorist attacks against the US, Israel is also directly responsible for Hamas.

              Even aside from all of this, her views on Israel again, just like Sanders are relatively new. Just last year she was about to be censured by other party members for being too soft on Israel ^1.

              “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” – Elie Wiesel

              So yeah, it’s great that they’re just now coming around to the plight of Gaza and the Palestinians it’s not like they actually believe it. It’s all politically motivated. They’re beginning to understand that unless they condemn Israel they won’t be elected–which is pretty fucked up IMO.

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                Sanders didn’t even show up or rally for mohsen mahdawi, who is HIS CONSTITUENT, after they were illegally detained for speaking out against Israel.

                Nobody is coming for us.

                Nobody in power is going to risk losing their grip on it to advocate for real material progress and dismantle the institutions that give them that power in the first place.

                Nobody in congress deserves to lead the people. The workers do.

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        And just to be clear, you think The Grifter Party cares about you? Sorry, Green - the Green party.

        Sometimes I get their name and their actions mixed up.

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      The last three months should have been a stark reminder to everyone that after a certain amount of time in their positions, politicians stop seeing non-politicians as real people and everything just becomes a game.

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    16 days ago

    I keep hearing project 2025 was a decades plan and the Dems had nothing planned to counter it. Now I’m guessing they are part of the plan.

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    It’s not like the guy they voted for is a rare qualified pick from the Trump camp.

    It’s David Purdue, a failed pillow company CEO, as well as ceo for other textile companies. More recently he dabbled in politics as a Republican senator from Georgia, failed gubernatorial candidate, 2020 election denier, climate change denier, and generally an idiotic sycophant.
    The textile experience gives him a small amount of plausibility as a choice, but everything else far outweighs that. Just another loser grifter in Trump’s orbit.

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    So who will you vote for the next “election?” Supreme Führer Trump and his league of cartoonish evil, or the spineless cowards who will do nothing to make things better?

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      dems are as crooked as the rest. nancy does insider trade since decades and chuck schumer is just evil ignoring what israel does. or remember the black fig leaf obama? nobody has ever ordered more deadly airstrikes in countries you are not at war with. i think this entire “american dream” thing was just metaphoric for a modern form of slaves and kings. just think of it: who were those that left europe for the new world? sleezebags, greedy goldsearchers…just ppl who were bad anyways. and thats what their entire fake culture is built on.

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    Hmmm, it’s like they’re all rich and know that in the end it’ll be fine for them under a fascist regime?

    I’m not an American, but I have to give the Trump supporters they are right about one thing: the Democrats do not seem interested in fixing their problems. Trump’s just honest about it 🤷

    It’s utterly baffling.

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      The Democrats fix the economic damage after every Republican administration. Reagan, W. Bush, Trump… going all the way back to Nixon and before.

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      Democracy needs capitalism.

      Capitalism does not need Democracy.

      Edit: some context because this triggered a few people: it’s a quote from Robert Reich.

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        Could you walk me through why you think democracy necessitates capitalism?

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          Capitalism on its own is very anti-democratic. Given enough time, most industries would become a monopoly.

          A strong Democracy should have sufficient guard rails for the population to counteract the influence of capitalism: strong unions, solid worker protections, limitation of money in politics, higher tax rates on wealth, and so on. The Nordic countries are a good example of this.

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            Ok, I think we’re miscommunicating. Either my question was’t formulated very clearly, or I misunderstood what you said in the first place. I took what you said (“democracy needs capitalism”) to mean “if you want democracy, you need capitalism”, or alternatively “if you don’t have capitalism, you cannot have democracy”. My question is why you believe this (if you do, that is; I may have misunderstood).

            Your answer I completely agree with, but it just argues that capitalism is harmful to democracy and that at best democracy is like a guard rail for capitalism. If anything it shows that capitalism and democracy are kind of incompatible.

            And it’s a side track, but the Nordic countries are not a good example of democracy counteracting the excesses of capitalism. They’ve just outsourced the worst of the misery to the global South. And domestically the situation for workers gets worse year by year (although they’re a long way from dropping to American levels).

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        It does if you want people to afford to buy your stuff. Or to have your stuff on the shelves. Happy tariff day. I heard another boat returned to China with no toys dropped off.