Police said a suspect was in custody after the shooting near the Capital Jewish Museum

A suspect is in custody after shooting dead two Israeli embassy staff outside a Jewish museum in Washington on Wednesday night.

The gunman, named by police as Elias Rodriguez, 30, of Chicago, approached a group of four people leaving an event at the Capital Jewish Museum and opened fire, killing Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim.

Metropolitan police chief Pamela Smith said the shooter had been pacing outside the museum, which is steps away from the FBI’s field office, before the shooting.

After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.

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    It sucks that more people died. It also sucks that I feel so…indifferent about this one.

    How many Israelis have to die before they stop killing Palestinians? What’s two lives compared to the hundreds ended daily in Gaza? It’s hard to be sad.

    These people probably weren’t evil. At worst, they were complicit after being fed a lifetime of propaganda. And nothing will change because of this so there’s no silver lining. It’s hard to be happy.

    If I feel anything, it’s dread at how the story will be spun. But even then…whatever happens isn’t going to be the worse than what’s already happening.

    So it’s hard to care at all. And that’s the sad part for me.

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      i know how you feel, it’s just like the thousands of other terrorist acts against Jews over the centuries

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          so you don’t want any more of these murders to happen?

          or you’re indifferent about that

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            Sorry, gloves off

            What kind of stupid fucking gotcha do you think you’re trying to catch me in here?

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              would you be indifferent if more israeli embassy workers are killed?

              clear enough potty mouth?

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      The government of Israel is evil.
      These people worked for the embassy.

      We can’t condemn people in broad terms. That is what started this. Killing someone because of their nationally, race, or job, is wrong. It’s more senseless killing, adding to the hundreds of Palestinians killed.

      Guard yourself against seeing individuals as the enemy, when their only sin is where they were born.

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        That’s exact what I’m trying to say - they didn’t deserve to die and nothing good will come from it.

        I will admit I WAS happy about the UHC CEO because he was directly involved in the decisionmaking that led to suffering. But this one doesn’t feel like vengeance - until I hear otherwise, these were just two people caught in the crossfire. Bullets should be flying at Netanyahu and his cronies, not embassy employees.

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        Guard yourself against seeing individuals as the enemy, when their only sin is where they were born.

        Kansas City?

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        i will disagree here as people in palestine have no choice, they are going to murdered by settlers and have their home of multiple generations taken away no matter what they do. so what alternative they have other than to fight back.

        these “delegates” on the other are rich and educated enough to work for anyone other than this disgusting apartheid state of who murder women and children for fun on daily basis. we all know what aipac and israeli lobby does in us to hijack our political system. they are the actual terrorists not gazan fighting for survival without food and water against an enemy that wipes out a family with drone strike for speaking the truth. these “delegates” might not have shot anyone but they certainly ensure that the terrorists who do it get all the funds and weapons they need.

        they intentionally murder doctors and medics so injured innocents die horrible death

        people like him and luigi are just normal people who are brave enough to do the only thing that is going to make a dent against these well funded parasites.

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        Killing someone because of their nationally, race, or job, is wrong.

        One of these things is not like the others.

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        They weren’t just born there (and given the number of settlers over there, that’s doubtful tbh). They took a state job representing, and lobbying for this genocide.

        It’s a tragedy that it has come to this, but it’s not wrong. It’s wrong that it has to be this way.

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          Killing is only justified if it saves lives. Anyone can see this act will cost lives on both sides. And 1000x as many on the Palestinian side.

          Let’s be real, this guy wanted to be a badass and get praise and attention. And he doesn’t care how many die because of that.

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            I have a hard time reconciling killing is justifiable. I can agree if your life is in immediate danger but then you have the cops who use it as a license to kill. I lean on the side that some things just can’t be justified and we have to mitigate/manage these instances.

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          You know not all embassy staff are ambassadors from Israel right?

          You can work at an embassy and be a US citizen.

          Which one of them was.

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            That’s even worse then. Not even the excuse of growing up there to fall back on. They chose to work there still.

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                  Much of Germany was working for the Third Reich, if you don’t recall from history.

                  Shooting random staffers doesn’t fight the Third Reich leadership, you just murdered some random people.

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                If you conveniently forget to mention where it is exactly they happen to work, of course it sounds silly.

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          How do you know they were lobbying for genocide? For all we know they were against it and working for a peaceful solution. Not everyone who works for a government is part of the ideology. That’s no better than saying every Democrat is MAGA.

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              Ambassadors are appointed. If they were not in favor of the administration they would be recalled and replaced by ones that were.

              I suppose, but they weren’t ambassadors. So - that’s wrong.

              It is beyond the shadow of a doubt that these people were directly involved in advocating for greater crackdowns on pro-Palestine antigenocide protesting.

              Damn, a shadow of a doubt?! Holy shit you must have the motherfucking receipts on these sumbitches, let’s see it! Whatcha got, facebook post? Tiktok? Some sort of cleverly disguised academic treatise?

              Yeah you got nothing. GTFO.

              These two people lived by the sword.

              Oh FFS.

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              Most Israelis support Israel which, until a few years ago, was a-ok on account of the previous thousands of years of persecution in every other country in the world, cresting in the unpleasantness of the early-mid 1900s which set quite the bar for evil and horror.

              Then Likud - like all republiQan, right-wing authoritarian regimes - seized power and started fucking everything up in incredible, outrageous ways. Americans should be familiar.

              I don’t know what they did for the embassy, but it could be something utterly harmless and treating them like enemy combatants when they’re in an entirely different country at a museum is wrong.

              I get the hate at the Likud/IDF for the genocide. Y’all are losing the plot by thinking this is ok though. It is very much not okay.

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              Maybe they did, which is why they were at an event to discuss delivering more aid to Gaza.

              https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

              These were young idealists trying to make a change. But the shooter didn’t care about the distinction, and it seems many others don’t either.

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            You just have to check Lischinsky tweets and retweet oposing a palestinian state because it would be a gift to Khamas

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              What about where to draw the line? Everyday the money we use is funneled to some corporation that has a hand in the human suffering that happens around the globe. When is thier evil transfered to me because I contributed to their successs.

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    It’s rather interesting that I haven’t seen anyone mention that this guy who was shot was almost certainly a spy.

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    After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.

    Certainly plausible…

    But I don’t trust the police or embassy officials from a country that’s spent years committing a genocide.

    They’re not trustworthy witnesses.

    If anyone is upset about that and wants it to change, you should go tell the cops and Israel to stop murdering people and then claiming it was self defense.

    When you lie about shit constantly, people just stop taking your word on shit

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      Video is all over the news of this happening. Suffice to say the conservatives/Israelis are now winning the propaganda war in the US with this event.

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        You’re not wrong, but it’s also an indication of just how thoroughly the Israelis have destroyed their credibility/moral high ground that my immediate thought after reading your comment was that maybe the shooter was Mossad doing a false-flag operation to manufacture that result.

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          It’s gonna be used as propaganda, yeah. This will be the strawman for all pro-Palestine sentiment in the US for the near future.

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          well you already used the term terrorist attack so it seems the propaganda is already here

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        They’ve been winning it for a long time because multiple governments around the world have outlawed dissent in a lot of different ways. This event isn’t going to change anybody’s opinions on the underlying conflict it’s just going to make everyone dig in deeper.

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          It makes it more of an uphill battle. This will absolutely be used to justify further criminalizing pro-Palestine speech and public demonstrations.

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    Well, fuck. This moron didn’t help the Palestinians one bit. Just reinforces propaganda about opposition to the genocide being antisemitic.

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      Sure but Israel can kill Palestine’s and aid workers from other western countries and nobody cares.

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        It’s not that no one cares, it’s that people who do care don’t want to be associated with others who care like this guy.

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      Ya only because idiots will read it that way.

      Embassy staff are basically political targets, not ethnic ones, but people will read it that way because anything against Israelis is being anti-jew not anti-israel.

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      I think only those who already/still support Israel will see it that way.

      Everyone else is sick of their shit and isn’t going to buy the “antisemitic” line because it’s been milked dry. We are well past the point where them doubling-down on calling everything “antisemitic” is going to sway any new people.

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    ITT: People fine with innocents being murdered because of their ethnicity.

    Fucking hypocrites.

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      The guy was killed because he was a German Christian? That’s crazy, I could’ve sworn the killing had something to do with him working for Israel or something, and because Israel is committing a genocide. But if you say he was killed because he was a German Christian, I’m not one to argue with that.

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          Did I say that? I’m just expressing my surprise at the fact that this guy was killed for his ethnicity, which, again, is German Christian. Never knew folks had so much flak for German Christians. Weird that the killer would yell “free free Palestine” right after killing a guy for being a German Christian, but I guess he just felt like yelling that, an it’s wrong to assume him yelling that had anything to do with his motivations for the murder.

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        Lischinsky “I’m an ardent believer in the vision that was outlined in the Abraham Accords and believe that expanding the circle of peace with our Arab neighbours and pursuing regional cooperation is in the best interest of the state of Israel and the Middle East as a whole. To this end, I advocate for interfaith dialogue and intercultural understanding.”

        Milgrim organised visits and missions to Israel. She was also a volunteer at Tech2Peace, an advocacy group training young Palestinians and Israelis and promoting dialogue between them.

        Tech2Peace said Milgrim was an active volunteer who “brought people together with empathy and purpose”.

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          What does that have anything whatsoever to do with this being about an “ethnicity”? (It doesn’t)

          But anyway

          What a fun, peace loving dude.

          More recently, Lischinksy reposted a message from Ambassador Amir Weissbrod, which stated that the UN lied about 14,000 babies being at risk of dying in Gaza.

          Oh wait

          Lischinksy wrote, “Significant strikes against the Houthis today. Despite what they say, the group suffered heavy blows in recent months.

          “These efforts must be sustained and continued. If they keep shooting, Houthi leadership + QF operatives in Yemen should be next.”

          Of course, they’ll occasionally go for some super soft “peace” initiative that realistically goes nowhere and conveniently supports the normalization of Israel’s existence on occupied land instead of a peace which involves the dismantling of the Zionist state, Palestinian authority of the zone, and massive reparations.

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            Is there a problem with taking out Houthis?

            You know the pirates shooting at commercial shipping?

            What about the girl? Anything you dig up about her buddy?

            No?

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              Nice deflect.

              Anything you dig up about her buddy?

              Yeah she voluntarily signed up to be a representative of a genocidal settler-colonial state. Pretty damning stuff.

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              Is there a problem with taking out Houthis?

              You know the pirates shooting at commercial shipping?

              Ah yes, because pirates blow shit up instead of taking it and selling it for personal gain.

              Also, pretending like the Houthis situation is 100% independent of the Genocide in Gaza is disingenuous.

              Israel has been an antagonist in the region for much of its existence. I’m sure the Houthis would take any excuse to fuck with Israel. However, their official line recently is basically “We’re going to fuck with shipping until you lift the blockade on Gaza.”

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                  Ah, yes, terrorist. I can see now. I envy you and your simple, nuance free worldview. Just use that magic word and it all makes sense. No need to consider any other factors - they are terrorists so obviously you just kill them, right?

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    So, there’s a lot of things happening in Gaza other than what’s on the nose. Like starvation can cause neurological issues in the brain, in the body. It can even make your hair turn gray. All the stress. During World War I, soldiers came back with a thing called shell shock, and they would just constantly shake all the time. The kids in Gaza are showing symptoms of shell shock. So I could care less about two people getting killed.

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    A woman who attended the event, Katie Kalisher, told CBS News that she encountered the alleged shooter right after hearing gunfire.

    “Then this man comes in … but he was covered in rain and just looking really distressed and scared,” Kalisher told “CBS Mornings.” “We were comforting him because we thought that he was just somebody out in the street looking for a safe place to stay because he heard some gunshots.”

    She said she talked to him to try to help him relax. “I asked him, ‘So, do you like the museum?’ And he’s kind of playing dumb with me,” she said about the interaction. “He goes, ‘Oh, what kind of museum is this?’ I told him, ‘It’s a Jewish museum.’ He asked, ‘Do you think that’s why they did this attack’ … referring to the rounds that we heard.”

    She said she told him she didn’t think so and asked if he was OK. Then, she said, “He reaches into his bag and pulls out a keffiyeh and says, ‘I did it. I did it for Gaza.’ And, just starts shouting, ‘Free Palestine.’”