• barnaclebutt@lemmy.world
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    You need to fly somewhere? Okay, fuck you.

    Edit: wasn’t there just a story about how they are going to offer first class seats with five windows? I guess it is just gods and slobs now.

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    How people can look at (mostly) state owned rail vs private airlines and still think the free market benefits the average person is one of life’s big mysteries to me.

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      I mean, Trump won the vote, and Brexit won the vote… Something tells me it’s as simple as most people are fucking stupid.

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    Not really worse than standing on the train for hours. But, standing on a train doesn’t make the ride cheaper. So, in some ways better than standing on the train

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      I’ve stood on the bus for 4-5 hours before. When I was younger I could sleep standing on the bus. Not sure if I could pull it off now.

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        Currently my strategy is to attempt to fold my legs under the seat and essentially kneel because it’s not physically possible for my thighs to fit. Between kneeling and praying to the God of capitalism to not give me a dvt vs crouching like the subhuman ogre I am: I’ll crouch.

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          Oh man, I (also 2 m) can relate. For me it’s always one of the emergency exit seats, that fit not too bad. But that luxury to be able to sit decently costs extra.

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    Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you’d save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.

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      Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don’t they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room… Just give them diapers! /S

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      Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats?

      Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.

      But it’s all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don’t fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry’s fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You’ll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.

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        Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.

        Wouldn’t the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?

        If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn’t be as physically demanding as standing up.

        Oh well.

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            Hmm…

            Well that’s one thing I can’t really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it’s been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.

            Anywhere there is public access, you’ll probably also find disabled access.

            Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.

            We aren’t the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you’re in a wheelchair, you’ll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that’s nice.

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      The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.

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          I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.

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        Just lean it forward and have everyone slide down and out of the emergency slide.

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        Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that’s how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don’t want to do that laying down. It’s a lose lose for the airline.

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          I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I’d be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it’s not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I’d get a long pleather vinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.

          It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I’ve sat in.

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            There is already a premium ticket price for lay down seats on large commercial passenger jets. Many of those first class seats go all the way down.

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        I’ve been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.

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          Remarkably, it has happened. People suddenly decide to pay attention to authority when they’re in a terrifying situation they’ve never experienced.

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            What I’ve chosen to glean from this is that I should inflict varied and new terrors upon coworkers to help keep us on track.

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        Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don’t want a fat shame But I definitely don’t want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don’t necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I’m a little chunky. I’m a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don’t have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.

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    What about people like myself who have POTS and can’t be in a standing position for too long? My heart can legit stop causing me to pass out if I’m standing for too long.

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        Why should I have to be forced to pay more for sitting seats just because I have a disability? What if all the sitting seats are fully booked or the plane has no sitting seats for passengers? It’s like intentionally designing a shop with several tall steps at the entrance that would make it impossible for wheelchair users to enter, and the wheelchair users have to pay each time they shop there to have a ramp extended at the entrance so they can enter. It’s an example of ablest design.

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          Life is more expensive when you’re disabled. That’s not news. But why should you be mad about changes that help other people save money? What you should be mad about is that the savings are turned into extra profits instead of going towards making your tickets cheaper.

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          I get your point and I believe people with a disability should get a sitting seat for the same price.

          However, this can actually reduce the price for the sitting seat as well. As now more people will be able to fit in the airplane. Meaning that more people can share the costs of the plane. The whole goal of this is to be able to offer lower prices by lowering the costs.

          In countries with a high amount of competition this is a good thing, of course in places where there isn’t you already have a situation in place where you are already being screwed, and then something such as this won’t help.

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          This extreme capitalism is absurd and needs to end. People like to pretend that the state taking over industry is some radical thing, but it’s the only way to make it function correctly. Capitalists have not demonstrated an ability to handle anything, they’re like toddlers.

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            No, the problem is consumers buying the products.

            If everybody refused to use the standing seats, they’d eventually HAVE to get rid of them, there’d be no point in having a chunk of the plane empty.

            Communists be like, “we must unite to stop capitalists destroying the planet! Now where’s that planet destroying steak I paid for…”

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                What? What does union organising have to do with consumer responsibility?

                My point is that communists love sitting around WAITING for someone to take drastic systemic overhauls, whilst being seemingly unable to control their own consumer habits.

                Communists will destroy the planet idly waiting for capitalism to end because “I’m a slave under capitalism, I have to drive everywhere, I have to eat meat”

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                  I never said anything about unions. I was talking about an organized boycott. That’s the only way to achieve what you are talking about.

                  I really don’t understand what you’re talking about with regard to communists. Are you talking about random people you know?

                  Maybe you mean folks who say “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism”? I really don’t follow.

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    Honestly, that may actually be more comfortable for me than trying to fold my legs into the tiny rows they have now.

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      I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says “the NERVE of these fuckers” and post-back-surgery me is like “Well that WOULD be nice yes”

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      Thats outdated thing, Polish trains now require You to play tetris, stack layers, that somehow doesn’t disappear. It’s like first person do sit on floor, then 2nd person sit on 1st, then 3rd sit on 2nd, and so on. Lucky ones who sit on toilet instead.

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    There’s an idea. Flights that people can make standing, should be banned, except when there is a body of water between the destination.

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        Oh, yes corporations. I guess body of Liquid water then. 😂

        Edit: 2x2 Km minimum size.

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    Next step - put bicycle seats, reducent material for backs. Then add bicycle pedals for engines, to reduce fuel usage. None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.

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      None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.

      Standard ticket if you generate at least 1KW, otherwise the price goes up if you generate less, with a fine for less then 50W generated during the flight

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        Bet You will have to pay max price front. For security reason.

        Possible overpaid (in case You return some electricity), are returned in form of credit points for next purchase!

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    These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.

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      I think we should relax rules on how quickly it is to evaluate a plane, and focus more on keeping the plane in the sky. (looking at you Boeing)

      I’d love sleeping pods or bunk beds on a plane and accept the higher risk of not being able to get out quickly.

      Cars and probably even train are infinitely more dangerous and we accept those risks every day.

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        I don’t think loosening regulations in one place will help in other places.

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        And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we’ve arrived at the gate

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        Pilots were asked about the problem and one said “I sen guards to the exits to help with the evacuation.”

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      Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario

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        “Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?”

        • Yes.
          “Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?”
        • What?
          “Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?”
        • I would like to leave the plane now.