This needs to happen!!! The start of the rebels
Maybe it’s time for the Senate to start forming a Grand Army of the Republic?
We can have Luigi head up the council of Jedi
Good! We can train THEM to Write Strong Letters INSTEAD of Forcing the Judges to! Which is MUCH More Preferable than RULING on the LAWS!
Isn’t that what US Marshals are? Or do they mean specifically one not under control of the DOJ?
Proposal would move security under judges’ control as justice department has vowed loyalty to president
It’s in the description… So yes, one under the control of the Judiciary, not the Executive.
Ah, thank you. Yeah, that makes sense. Good move.
What did it say in the article?
The second once, since the attorney general is a fascist.
Yes.
It is entirely possible at this point that the Marshalls could be ordered to arrest a Trump admin lawyer, who has been deemed being in criminal contempt of court, or some other LE official that’s been found to have committed a crime…
And then this person could then be defended by the Secret Service, or the other members of whichever armed LE group under the Executive branch…
We already have unnamed DOGE, ICE, DHS goons going around basically doing the reverse.
At somepoint, we could actually get an armed standoff or confrontation between two different groups of armed, federal personnel.
Its very uh… early 90s Russia, if you ask me.
Wasn’t that the US marshals?
They can’t. Congress has to do that.
You say that like you genuinely believe the law matters, consider reexamining that assumption
Sure seems to.
For you maybe
The mistake your making is looking at the subject. The courts won’t do something unconstitutional. TRUMP will
So until the courts play the game of “no law” they HAVE to do that.
WE don’t.
The courts won’t do something unconstitutional.
Why?
Are they stupid?
Because then, they wouldn’t be the courts
Who fucking cares?
you do you want something done that the courts won’t do
I don’t care that they “wouldn’t be the courts” - whatever that means. If they wouldn’t be the courts, what would they be?
I do care that they act before we fucking die.
Kind of different.
As long as Trump gets to break the rules without consequences the Dems should get to do that as well.
The courts is not the same as the dems
If they have a choice at all then no they do not have to, they are choosing to, that’s just what the words mean
No. See the courts don’t make law. They interpret it. But they can’t ignore the constitution or they wouldn’t be courts.
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better than yours
It bears no resemblance to reality, so no not really
Supreme court could just manifest the ability to fund a system of officers of the court from thin fucking air if they wanted to.
I understand and support your irritation and disgust at this administration
But this is not how the court works. They could , hire some contractors I guess, but they cannot unilateraly create a security service
The Supreme court manifested the entire concept of jurisprudence. I think they could do the same for a system of officers of the court.
Umm. I think you have your facts mistaken or are speaking of something other than jurisprudence.
Marshall laid out his arguments for judicial review in Marbury v Madison. At the time it was supported by Hamilton and others too. But it’s not explicitly stated in the constitution. Jurisprudence is entirely an unconstitutional (though consistent with other sections of the constitution) power that the courts granted themselves. It’s been a long time since my last us history class though.
Which threats? The ones from the POTUS?
Sure seems like they should start holding his administration accountable, right? RIGHT?
No, from the brownshirts who have been systematically threatening and murdering the judges and their families who oppose fascism.
If judges are being threatened by POTUS they need to issue an arrest warrant.
Deputize a citizens milita and arrest him.
Everything is fine. We’re completely fucked.
Nah, we need politicians to be able to feel fear, imo. If they never have to think “will this come back to haunt me?” then that’s going to enable a lot of awful shit.
So what happens if the thugs in the DoJ clash with this judicial security? Are they prepared to turn their weapons on the DoJ officers? If not, then this is only to protect judges from stochastic terrorism at the hands of tRump supporters. Dark passages up ahead, I fear.
The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary, regardless of what these assclowns are trying to cosplay.
The Judiciary is equal to Executive and Congress. That’s just a fucking fact. A Federal Judges ruling has the same weight as any bullshit Executive Order Trump can crap out on paper.
Those are only facts if someone enforces it at the business end of a weapon.
That seems to matter little to this regime. So, I ask again, what happens when they clash? We saw them stage a situation and try to arrest sitting members of congress and a mayor. In a sane world, you are correct. We don’t live in that world so subordination doesn’t matter!
If they aren’t ready to put down fascist jackboots they aren’t gonna be able to do the job.
So we are nearing the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession part…
Not quite.
Ok, i take it back then.
Or they can take responsibility over their actions? Lol who am I kidding.
The courts can take responsibility over their actions? They seem to be doing most things right. Even the SC seems to be making the constitutional decision a lot of the time.
It’s the president that is stiring up his base against the courts when they rule he did something unconstitutional. And that happens almost every day.
They’re not doing anything about the president violating the constitution.
I have recently started to learn how to use a firearm, because it feels like that the US is headed for a 2nd Civil War. Hopefully the money and time spent on that turns out to be a silly reaction…but if asked, I will serve the Free States, be it as a soldier or court marshal. Trump and the GOP is a tremendous threat to me and the other innocents of America.
You would best serve the “Free States” by helping and protecting your family, friends, and community of like-thinking associates- firearms may be required.
Can’t recommend a shotgun enough.
VR80. Semi-automatic 12 gauge, with magazines. If you live in a state like California, you can treat it as something like a split or lever action, which allows you to release the magazines. I figure semi-auto would be needed if combat becomes a thing, especially if drones start delivering pain. Shotguns are one of the more common options for anti-drone defense in Ukraine.
As they should be scared. They are currently dismantling the United States… did they not think there would be ramifications?
I’m sure there are a lot of court cases i don’t hear about but they seem to be siding with the constitution most of the time.
Honestly, I have the impression that they don’t. The 1% already won the game of life, but they insist on doubling down and gambling the nation for…line go up?
The wealthy are addicts without restraint.
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I was thinking that maybe the US could use three presidents - West, East, and Center, each heading up a major chunk of territory. SCOTUS could be expanded to have 50 justices, each state appointing a single justice to represent them on the supreme court. The presidents each could select a single head justice, whose job is to communicate the viewpoint of the executives, and to write up the conclusions that SCOTUS factions have reached.
That sort of thing should help maintain the intention of the Constitution, where branches - or rather, interests, constantly jockey against each other, thus being equal. The problem with our current politics is that too much power has been concentrated into the hands of too few people, essentially destroying the balance of branches.
West, East, and Center, each heading up a major chunk of territory
Fuck no. Don’t lump us minnesotans in with basically exclusively red shithole states.
Isn’t that what the states are for? The federal government is supposed to maintain basic security and then the states are supposed to do all of the actual societal work but it all seems to have fallen apart. To be honest it had fallen apart long before Trump.
Yes that’s how it’s supposed to work. People like to point at Trump but Trump would not have been able to do this were it not for the fact that every president before him has given itself more and more power. He’s simply an opportunist.
This is also the thing Republicans have been harping about for ages. They don’t want to tear down the federal government because they want people to die or because they’re “fascists”. They want to tear it down because its current iteration of it has far more power than was ever intended when the constitution was drafted and it empowers and makes tyranny possible.
The New Deal needs to be replaced with something new that decentralizes power from the federal government while keeping the social nets that were established.
Yeah I’m starting to think that a triumvirate is the way to go for the office of the president. Let’s have a head of state, a head of government, and a head of _____ idk. But the job is too intense for one individual and we need an escape hatch while also having stability. So we could impeach the head of state but keep the head of government so shit still gets done during that transition.
That’s been tried in a certain republic of the past, but the idea is fine generally.
That’s such an EU thing to do 😄
