Nah, like usual, religion is solely to blame here.
Ah, yes, the genocide and its fascist underpinnings created by seculer atheists inspired by Renaissance and Enlightenment ideals are completely the fault of religion.
Conflating Zionism with Judaism is how you create antisemitism. One of the largest constituencies of antizionism is in the Jewish community itself.
All religions are evil. This specific one is causing the genocide in Gaza right now.
What specific religion? The majority of zios are christian. The only relevant “religion” is fascism.
Ok, there’s two religions causing the genocide :)
Fascism is not a religion, unless you have a different definition of religion than i know of.
Absolutely, religion is at the heart of fascism. But it’s probably not the religion that you’re thinking of…
If you think religion is solely to blame here, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. This goes back to the british mandate, WW1 and the arab revolt; not just religion.
This is settler colonialism, judaism != zionism.
Religion obviously does have some part in this, but to pin this genocide solely on “religion” is ignorant, and reductive.
For real. I genuinely like Israel and have many israeli friends still but the incompetence of Israel government is so staggering it’s imposdible to align with even if you think Hamas deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history.
You genuinely like an apartheid regime?
Despite that it’s the only country in the middle east where you’ll not be tortured and murdered for being gay so umm there’s clearly something to like here, no?
Israel has tortured and murdered more gay people than ever other country in the middle east put together.
You’ll get tortured and murdered for being palestinian, so no I dont think so. Pinkwashing apartheid just makes it more disgusting, not less.
Or you know more than one thing can be bad right?
The way people wash islam’s intolerance is honestly reaching satire levels.
You realise that Islam is not a monolith but one of the worlds largest religions? That there are LGBTQ+ muslims? Muslim allies? Honestly this idea that there is a “one true Islam” is as ridiculous for Islam as it is for any other religion.
Lmao this is the satire I’m talking about. No way these are real people leaving these comments.
There are literally thousands of people killed every year and they be like “BUT BUT THERE ARE GAY MUSLIMS SOMEWHERE”
Crazy. Simply crazy.
there are gay nazis and gay republicans as well what’s your point?
i didn’t read it like that… i read it in the same way that you might read that you like many american people, but their government are frequently massive twats… the country is not the people, and in both cases there was (is) genocide involved
Israel, the country, has apartheid enshrined in its constitution. And there never was a genocide of zionists. Indeed the zionists used the holocaust and other european antisemitic persecutions to their advantage
Recent polls show 81% of the Israeli population agree that Palestine should be ethnically cleansed. It’s not just the government, and it’s not “incompetence”, it’s deliberate malice.
And Hamas’s crimes are a drop in the ocean compared to Israel, so if you think Hamas “deserves nothing but be deleted and forgotten by all of history,” what do you think Israel deserves?
You explain it very well. However, I don’t think it’s necessarilly their opinion that Gaza deserves deleting.
Sure sounds like it
Well, it doesn’t to me. Without them telling us we won’t know.
What do you think ethnically cleansed means? Or du you think Gaza will remain once all the Palestinians have disappeared and settlers have taken their place?
Ok
They’re both terrorists, why try to defend hamas? A bad situation doesn’t excuse massacre. Both are guilty.
One’s guilty of genocide, one’s arguably guilty of going overboard in self-defense of said genocide, though I don’t know how much of it is hasbara and how much of it real so I don’t really feel like I’m in a position to judge if they actually went overboard and you can thank the Apartheid Regime of West Palestine for that.
Liberals just can’t get enough of that thought policing.
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This is like saying “well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?” in 1943.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
Killing 1200 people is still bad
For anyone seeing this comment this nunber also a lie. Last proven around 700 or 800 killed ignoring how many killed by Israeli themselves shilling homes where hamas had israeli hostages and cars that trying to get into gaza with hostages.
That makes it ok I suppose. And I’m sure Gaza would have been leveled if hamas decided to kill zero too.
Let’s compare the numbers, so far a 1200 Israeli’s were murdered on the opening day, and maybe 100 more deaths from combat. Total deaths 1300-ish. In the Gaza strip alone over 62,000-ish people have been killed. Using Israel’s numbers from before the war they estimated maybe 50,000 active Hamas members. It’s orders of magnitude different. Even assuming Hamas died first that still means Israel murdered 12,000 innocent people. Hamas is bad, but the state of Israel is a genocidal monster.
62,000 is the number of confirmed munitions deaths and it’s been frozen for months. The actual total killed has been estimated in the arena of half a million.
There will always be collateral damage even though it’s very hard to justify and basically impossible to justify when there’s children involved. I will point out that the line between Hamas combatant and “civilian” can be very grey. Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing they had a mandate to destroy Israel. On the oct 7 attacks Hamas were joined by non combatants. Imagine your army marching down your street on their way to kill your neighbour so you put down what you’re doing to join them and kill your neighbour too. This is basically what happened
Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Don’t Israelies have that right too?
You can’t starve children to death in self defence.
Agree. There’s a lot they are doing that is awful. Both sides are doing awful things is my point
One side is literally thousands of times more awful, let’s deal with that first
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No, occupied people have that right, occupiers do not.
Ah I see so the Indians should slay Americans who are immigrants? And perhaps those immigrants should slay the newer immigrants? /s
Indians aren’t forced into an open air prison and denied self determination or citizenship.
They didn’t kill 1200, and even if they had, that number is negligible compared to the amount of Palestinians Israel had already murdered before October 7th, and basically 0 compared to how many they’ve killed since.
You just only care about white people.
Jewish people are white now?
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You’re just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German “civilians” to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
Didn’t hamas march into Israel and were joined by non combatants then butcher and kidnap 1200? Seems different
The place they marched into is where their parents and grandparents lived before Israel ethnically cleansed it, driving them into the ghetto they’re currently in.
Still non combatants. Are you saying the indigenous people of your country should be allowed to kill anyone who lives there now?
There’s a difference in time scale here; there’s still living people who remember the nakba. But indigenous people are absolutely justified in resisting their own oppression. Also the immediate purpose of getting hostages was to get Israel to release hostages it took first.
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October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
Yeah didn’t OP know that it’s illegal to mention Israel’s crimes without also mentioning Hamas in the same sentence?
It’s a paragraph, not a sentence
truly the important thing
Cool.
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Thank you for an intelligible response. If we run the hypothetical of what would have happened if Israel allowed hamas to become its own country with its own military, how likely would Hamas have used that power along with help from it’s neighbours like Iran, to develop nuclear weapons or at least a strong conventional army? If there was ever a fork in the road it would be when the Palestinian people elected Hamas knowing their mandate was the total destruction of Israel. They carried out that mandate with everything they were given from Israel and the international community. They used it all to buy rockets and build tunnels for themselves for use for when Israel retaliated. The fact civilians are being killed is part of hamas’s plan to get more international support, no civilians are allowed in the tunnels. Judging by this website it appears to be working well. I really wish we could have seen what happened if Israel withdrew from the West Bank and allowed the Palestinians time to live their lives. There is absolutely blame on both sides.
You would have "both-sides"ed the Holocaust
Gonna state the obvious: Resistance to oppression is justified.
https://jacobin.com/2025/04/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-gaza-genocide
It’s a shitty situation. I’m not sure what you do when both sides are committed to the total destruction of the other. The painful truth is someone is going to be the loser
One side is trying to destroy an apartheid state, the other is trying to destroy children. Stop equivocating the two
You are aware that if given the chance, Hamas would be the apartheid state
I am not, how come?
Hamas have a mandate to destroy Israel. They were democratically elected to do so.
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How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide
Is it really propaganda when there’s thousands of videos showing all the horrible shit Isreal’s been doing in Gaza?
How is your propaganda that accuses Jews of committing genocide different from the far right’s accusations of Jews committing a white genocide?
Because one is real and not the other. Surprising, I know.
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Even Netanyahu himself says that the ratio of civilian deaths is over 50%.
Over 50%! From the horse’s mouth!
Most experts have it at 80%, but even Netanyahu’s figure is fucking insane. If not a genocide, it’s an absolutely negligent way to run a conflict, with zero value given for human life.
“BuT HaMaS hIDeS iN TuNnELs”…and Israel has one of the best equipped militaries in the world. How big is their drone fleet? If you can’t figure out how to take out 1 dude without disintegrating an entire city block, then you need to quit.
So the “best case” scenario is “The Israel government is extremely irresponsible with weapons and needs to stop”. Whether or not you think it qualifies as a “genocide”, it needs to fucking stop, we need to stop supplying them with weapons, and the world needs to apply more pressure. We can Nuremberg it up later, after the children have stopped being brutally and needlessly murdered.
Because you did your own research on the internet
Erm… Virtually every human rights organisation on the planet have done their research and confirm a genocide is being committed. As well as international courts.
Like the old adage goes, if one person thinks you’re a cunt you’re likely not a cunt, If everybody thinks you’re a cunt chances are you are in fact a cunt.
Or maybe you don’t oppose the “white genocide” because you know it’s an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?
Yes. That one. Obviously.
I respect your noble dedication to epistemology, but at some stage it’s perfectly reasonable to say that herding millions of people into an increasingly small area whilst forcibly starving and bombing them is a genocide, whilst having an immigrant population of barely 15% is not a genocide.
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
OMG, so antisemitic… /s
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An understanding of the Iranian regime (and it’s origin) is an important piece of the middle east puzzle.
But they are not forcing Israel into committing genocide. Genocide is a choice Israel is making.
Anything to draw the conversation away from pissrael huh?
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“don’t blame us, those dastardly Iranians made us commit genocide!”
Spare us the genocide apologia please.
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Yeah, Israel is slaughtering children by the dozen, but have you looked over here in a while?
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Caring has nothing to do with your paycheck, caring is about basic human empathy. I wouldn’t be surprised when lower income would care more than higher.
How can they have time to consume media that talk about Gaza?
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That’s one way to control the crowds, make them too busy to think outside the rat race.
This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.
Who will be ignored next?
Who will be ignored next?
- Sudan
- Myanmar
- Armenia
- Afghanistan
- Tibet
These aren’t next, these are already forgotten even though they’re catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it’s one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people’s minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they’re noble and righteous, but they won’t actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they’ll move on to that because it’s new and we have short attention spands.
I think it’s media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
I think that’s a contributing factor, but I don’t think it’s the only one. We live in the age of social media where anybody anywhere can post anything at any time. Anybody can be a journalist and post pictures, videos, or give live updates as events are happening. In fact we have a lot of people like this from just about every conflict in the world who give us updates just about everyday. Despite this, things like wars are still treated as trends by people. When the fad gets old, people get bored and move on to the next new thing.
How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
You are entirely correct. People like to think the war is over, but it’s still very much on going.
Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.
My entire school life there was so much pontification over what “you” would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?
Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.
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If you’re so insistent on Israel butchering children, join the IDF. It’d make it easier to know that you’re a piece of shit.
كل خرة, يا شيطان الصهيوني
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Hamas killed 29 kids on Oct 7
And the IDF has killed/injured 50,000 children - Gonna condemn them now?
maybe you should also join Hamas since you’re such a freedom fighter
Didn’t know Palestine was synonymous with Hamas now.
you’ve got the slogans down already. Good job number 1 habibi
Wow, didn’t know KHAMAS INVENTED ARABIC too! 🙄
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When the fuck did i say that? Of course it’s horrible to kill children, Israeli or palestinian. October 7th was horrible yet inevitable. Now, do you disavow the IDF?
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So it’s ok for Israel to kill 50,000 children? Just trying to understand your logic here. Do you disavow Isreal?
Yeah of course I’m not out here cheering for the IDF but at the same time they’re literally killing Hamas, Hezb, and dealing with the houthis and whatever Iranian backed groups that exist to destabilize
“that exist to destabilize” elaborate. I do not like Iran, but why/what are they destabilizing? So far, Israel has been way more harmful than Iran.
And, is it fucking worth it? Killing/besieging Gaza in the name of “fighting terror”?
And for fuck sake, hamas/hezb/houthis literally would’ve never existed if not for Israel/western meddling.
how was Oct 7 inevitable
After ~80 years of genocide, are you really surprised that an event like this happened?
Your reading comprehension is bad
So you’re a fucking psychopath, huh?
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You would have supported the annihilation of the Warsaw ghetto using the same reasoning.
So you have anything to comment that shows you actually read what you’re commenting on?
Edit: Or did I miss obvious sarcasm?
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Oh, so you’re an idiot. Thanks for clarifying.
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No, you didn’t. Definitely not sarcasm. Check their post history if you need confirmation.
“Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don’t deserve human empathy” - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
“Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”
And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:
“Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
I am for a 2 state solution, and a version of the Neuremburg Trials for both the IDF and Hamas for their crimes against humanity. Gaza should be a part of Palestine, as with the West Bank, with the settlers in both having to move back, and return the land to it’s owners prior. Palestine and Israel seperated by UN peacekeepers at both sides, is my solution for preventing further invasions. Free and fair elections for Palestine, should occur. Both those who think 1 state as Israel or Palestine are insane.
How do you split that baby?
I forgot to mention, making it easy to cross the border is another thing I believe there should be. Something like the 1950s agreement line?
You look at the ones who have been bombing historical sites and give it to the others.
Why historical sites? Why not living human beings? Are buildings more important than people?
I think because he’s talking about how to split land. Palestinians has been displaced many times before being slaughtered, so their deaths would be focused into smaller areas.
It still doesn’t work well though, because many Palestinians consider the current Israel region to be their home.
Thats a really good point. The palestinians come out on top as well on that one so it doesn’t make that much difference to my point, but no absolutely living human beings are more important.
According to a recent pen state uni poll, 80% of Israeli society support the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza. If we follow the reasoning in this post, the Israeli society is kinda locco ◑﹏◐
Either that, or the psychological abuse techniques that militaries do to turn normal people into obedient soldiers are effective. Israel has compulsory military service, so nearly all of the population of the country went through it. That’s how they get that 80% support.
NGL… Yuh
