• pawnfuture@lemmy.world
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    The states that imposed these Draconian laws have terrible maternal mortality rates now and they’re trying to hide the data so they don’t have to acknowledge the harm they did. Same way it was during COVID where some state governments like Florida were attacking independent investigators for having accurate numbers when the state changed theirs to try and look better.

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    I highly encourage anyone that doesn’t want to ever have kids, to go get tied or snipped so that you won’t ever have to worry about it.

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      I won’t do this until we have a surgery that allows you to turn your sperm production on and off at any time with the push of a button.

      I don’t want kids but I may want them someday, and I rather not have to go through surgery twice and spend a bunch of money just because I changed my mind.

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          Uh, yeah, as an idea, lol:

          Since spring 2016, we have had the OK from an ethics committee of a renowned clinic in Germany for the clinical study on the Bimek SLV Model 4. Unfortunately, we have not yet been able to find the financial means to start the clinical study.

          For an investment of 600k € we could at best have the test valves manufactured. But then there would be no money left to push the study forward in compliance with all medical device laws. If no further investments were made then, the validity of the sterile packaging would expire.

          It is not easy to find investors for this project if one is honest and openly communicates known risks.

          Seeing “© 2018” at the bottom of the website doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either, lol.

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        Iirc they can extract sperm directly from the testicles with a needle for folks who don’t want to/can’t get a vasectomy reversed but change their mind about kids, not a fun procedure to go through I’m sure but still easier than reversing a vasectomy and a much shorter recovery time

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      And if you’re in a conservative hell state in the United States where doctors refuse to do a tubal ligation unless you have one child, are over 30, or “get your (nonexistent) husband to sign off on it”, find a doctor in Washington, California, Massachusetts, or really any non Republican dumpster fire, and they’ll likely treat you like an adult. Likely. Not bitter about that at all.

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        I’ve told my partner that if anyone needs my sign-off on any medical decisions, they are to inform the provider that I will be more than happy to do it, but I’m going to punch whomever is requiring it in the face first.

      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        One of my best friends had endo. She tried to get it fixed (she is not straight and never wanted kids) and she was told “no, there’s other options, we’re not doing a hysterectomy” multiple times.

        I believe it was her third suicide attempt after being admitted multiple other times for self harm that they finally took her shit out.

        She’s been fine since then. No suicide-inducing pain, no debilitation, no problem. You’re right—it’s fucking insane that it has to come to that.

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    Just want to drop this here.

    Birth control is great.

    Some methods of birth control are bad for you specifically. Not all birth control is equal. You are a complex piece of equipment. Birth control alters the way that equipment works. There are side effects, no matter what, and they are listed because the were well documented in clinical trials.

    That does not mean you should not use birth control. It means you should work with your doctor to find the one that works best for you.

    My wife tried a birth control medication that had an interaction with another medication and made her very drousy. My sister took one that made her feel suicidal. They shopped around and found something that worked.

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      Yeah. Summarizing this, BC has a lot of side effects, but pregnancy has even more.

      Frankly, I’m hoping that RISUG makes it to the US. I would get two reversible injections in the crotch to basically prevent pregnancy with zero side effects.

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        Or everyone can look at the variety of options and decide what’s best for them at any given time.

        Condoms are a great option, and they have the added bonuses of also protecting against STIs and being able to work alongside pharmaceutical contraception. That last bit is big because if you’re absolutely unwilling to have kids and abortion is illegal or something you’re unwilling to do you probably want to be using two methods.

        I’m the first to praise condoms especially with people choosing not to vaccinate their children against HPV and with the fact that they’re how one can be certain that they don’t impregnate anyone else. But they too have downsides including that most people aren’t very good at using them.

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        Condoms are fine if you want to protect from STIs, but they’re less effective than other hormone based contraceptives to prevent conceptions.

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        BC pills have usages outside of contraception. It can be used to treat various issues related to hormones.

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    The whole point of everything they’re doing is to create an uneducated population of easily manipulated fodder. Of course people are forgetting. This effort has been running for 20-30 years (or longer) at this point, and it’s working.

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      Yup, and it’s working so well they’ve shifted into next gear and are stepping up the plans.

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    There certainly are some side effects to taking birth control pills and depending on the person they may react differently or not react at all.

    In my case I got some heart issues which made sense because it was in my family history so I just switched to the mini pill which I have taken ever since. Fucking love it. I never bleed and I don’t get pms symptoms. Just get to live a normal life without all the gross stuff.

    But with all that said, I too believe that the anti birth control wave online was propaganda. It just came about a little too conveniently after the US made abortion illegal. It is just a tad bit too coincidental.

    I followed it a bit when it began getting traction some years ago and I felt very confused and disturbed by the narrative being passed around about birth control. It felt like fear mongering and I just felt confused by the symptoms women were reporting online. I have literally never in my life heard of any woman talk about how birth control made her depressed and I have after all been in the game for awhile and known many women who have been in it too. That was the first thing that made me lift an eyebrow.

    Then I watched a video where some expert was talking about how birth control pills make women less attracted to manly men and more attracted to feminine men. I forget the name of the expert but I do remember that she was associated with conservatives and had their interests in mind. I thought it was very funny that she was essentially blaming birth control for women being attracted to unacceptable men.

    And honestly, I have a question I would like to ask that expert, because when I was a teen girl, before I got on birth control, I was VERY attracted to scrawny men with long hair and eyeliner. Manly men did nothing for me.

    I got on birthcontrol at 19 and wanna know what happened to my taste in men over the years? It evolved to being more focused on men with more masculine traits. Instead of scrawny I began finding men who were filled out, more attractive. I began thinking that beards were hot when I had always found them kinda gross. I thought that men who looked a bit gruff went from being gross and boring to being cute and attractive.

    I’m pushing 40 now and my spouse is the exact opposite of what I was attracted to as a teen. There is nothing feminine about him.

    But I think I know what that expert meant. She’s blaming women choosing partners who treats them as their equals on birth control. Because here is the thing about my man: he may not look feminine nor does he particularly act feminine, but he’s also not a brute who thinks he’s the head of the household and I am his servant. He doesn’t act like he is better than me nor does he feel entitled to me at all. He cooks and cleans. He is very good with emotional talks and being attentive and empathetic. He is very encouraging and has basically no control issues besides claiming the kitchen as his domain. That’s mostly I might be one of the worst cooks in the world.

    Women want men who are emotionally intelligent, who are their equals and who are good partners. They don’t want a slave master. And I think that is why American conservatives are trying to blame birth control. If you can convince women that they are taking a pill that mind controls them into wanting something unnatural and wrong, then they may be more compliant than of you flat out blame them for having higher standards for their men than their mothers and grandmothers had.

    There are definitely side effects to taking birth control but there are also side effects to taking pain killers.

    I have no doubt the anti birth control wave is orcastrated by the very people who are trying to take away women’s autonomy in the US and beyond. I see the anti abortion movement starting to take root in Europe too and I fucking hate it.

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      We haven’t made it federally illegal (yet, I fear) but ended federal protection, which made it possible to ban at the state level. Many of our more conservative controlled third-world states have made it illegal or are throwing fits that they can’t for state constitutional or judicial reasons.

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    It’s being pushed by the TERF/radfems on tumblr (covert alt right movement) as well. Birth control messes up your goddess energy or something.

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    I knew a woman who stopped taking birth control because of occasional headaches, and she and her husband both ended up with one that didn’t move out until 23 years later.

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      This actually happened to me. The doctor said the birth control was raising my blood pressure. I said “I don’t think so” but turns out she was right. So I quit them and immediately got pregnant.

      But when you say “occasional headaches”? The other thing I found out when I quit them is that they were amplifying my migraines quite a lot. Occasional headaches does not adequately describe that pain, vomiting from the pain.

      (ETA - the copper IUD was also a nightmare for me, but eventually landed on the hormonal IUD and that was fantastic, those got me through to menopause - Birth Control doesn’t have to be the pills, and not all of the ‘hormonal’ methods are the same. And an IUD will last longer than the current administration)

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        I’ve used hormonal IUDs since I was 16, and they’ve fantastic. You can just have one inserted and then not have to worry for the next ~6 years. Completely stopped my period too (came back briefly before I got on T, then T stopped it again, and now it’s still gone even after being off T for several years). I can not overstate how amazing not having a period has been for my mental health.

        When I first tried to get one, my doctor tried to convince me out of it because I was “too young” and hadn’t had a child yet. I’m so glad I stayed firm in my decision and got a gyno who would work with me.

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    There’s an open source period tracker called drip that doesn’t collect your data. Everything is kept local. My wife used it for a while and learned some things about her cycle. It was also cool being able to know almost exactly when she’d be on her period 2 months ahead of time.