The “visa integrity fee” applies to all visitors who need nonimmigrant visas, which includes tourists, business travelers and international students.
The fee is paid when the visa is issued, according to the provision.
Every international business meeting and conference just cancelled. Visits to Disney World plummet.
Who needs visas: https://brilliantmaps.com/visa-free-usa/
It’s only to prevent poor people from South America, Africa, Eastern Europe/Asia. Europe/Japan/Australia is still free to go there.
But also includes China, one of our largest sources of tourism…
Europeans still get harassed and randomly arrested. Even Canadians still does.
So a good chunk of people that would be interested in the World Cup…. Yet another reason not to come for them. FIFA is practically going to have to give away tickets to get people to show up at this rate
Being in the US even if FIFA gave me a ticket I’d burn it instead of going.
Apparently it’s a big thing in South America to go to Disney World. Family of 4 just added $1k. It’ll make you think twice.
When I flew back from Brazil last year to Orlando, almost the entire plane was families with kids, a lot of which were wearing Disney merch. I bet that flight will soon be much less full as $250 is currently almost R$1,400 per person. R$5,500 additional for a family of 4 is a LOT of money in Brazil.
Disney tickets are fucking expensive too. It’s like $150 a day most months, so if they still come, they aren’t going as many days (if at all).
It’ll make you think twice.
So will the lottery of a lucky few people being sent to their new home in El Salvador.
South Sudan, and maybe rwanda
So does that add up to 3 thinks, or multiply to 4 thinks?
That depends how many thinks it takes to get to the answer “it’s not worth going”. Some people will need a lot of thinks to get there.
Professor at a large Canadian university here- interest in our EFL study tours from Europe, Latin America, and East Asian countries has skyrocketed this year as MANY of our partner universities are cancelling (or placing on indefinite hiatus) their US programs.
Well well, my mortal enemy has reappeared. Jk, hope you have a great weekend.
Yeah other than Europeans and Canadians but they don’t need a fee to discourage them as it is
$250 is a rounding error for most international business travelers. That’s the cost of one moderately nice business dinner for 3 people. Between airfare, hotels, and meals, that’s less than 10% of the cost of almost all international business trips, with the possible exception of some quick jump from Toronto to Detroit for a lunch meeting.
Same for a lot of international leisure travelers.
This is a filter to keep ‘the poors’ away
A lot of company travel policies are strangely stingy on cost.
But even before this, business travel has been diminished. I’ve been a part of planning for a particular conference in the fall. It usually has a lot of European presenters and lots of meetings among international companies. There’s been a bit of a scramble because most of the people that were expected to speak are not going to travel to the US. Our company is spending a bit more to send people over to key clients in Europe near that time to replace the typical meet up at the conference. People were already nervous about Trump’s ICE enough to declare the US to not be approved for business travel.
International tourism is just being screwed all over the place.
For 1 person you could, but send over a team and it just added up. You’d do it only if you really need to woo a customer, something that directly adds to the bottom line. If it’s for training or a casual meeting, why would you? I know the perception is companies have endless money but they really don’t and they pinch pennies plenty. Travel adds up.
The percentage doesn’t change for a team vs individual. 3 people also need 3 plane tickets, 3 hotel rooms, etc.
The boss doesn’t care about the percentage, they care about the bill. The total amount.
I am one of the bosses. I’ve been around lots of businesses that do this kind of thing, including tiny startups.
I’m telling you for most businesses, if they’ve bothered to send someone on a business trip that costs $2500+ per person for an important reason, they aren’t going to cancel it over $250. That’s foolish.
Ironically cash strapped startups might not care like a big multinational would.
Travel expenses in a bearaucracy can get weird and people who don’t care about the business case are in charge of travel expenses, and they only get recognition by cutting costs, often in stupid ways.
I worked at a company like that and to give an example of the results of such a bearaucracy, they had this 20 thousand dollar product that shipped maybe 500 units a year. For some reason they became fixated on if they could delete a 25 cent part to reduce cost. The team sized the regulatory work needed to evaluator and presented the 60 thousand dollar estimate and figured that would be the end of it, no way you would spend 60k to maybe cut total company cost by 125 dollars per year. To their surprise the project was approved, they did the work, and confirmed the 25 cent part was still needed to be in compliance with some government regulations…
I already said it’s not about 1 person, it’s about a team. I see you’re finally adding the caveats “for an important reason”, that’s what I’ve been saying all along. Now you just have to add the other things I’ve been saying: For training and random conferences, it adds up. It’s about the total cost. Etc. Ok I think this has reached its end point, ciao.
Business travel elasticity has traditionally been around 0.4, meaning business travellers will tolerate higher fees with only a small drop in demand. But there would still be a drop.
What no one has mentioned here so far is that the $250 additional visa fee is refundable. But it’s not automatically refunded. You have apply for it after meeting some basic conditions. So for businesses, it’s really a much smaller administrative cost.
So far the process for applying for the refund hasn’t been established. So it’s all a bit of a hot mess still.
Fun part is that if the fee is refundable, but requires a process, then some company travel policies might stick such a fee with the employee if they fail to correctly do the process to get the refund. In such a company it might be one more thing for an employee to think about declining travel because they might personally get stuck with the bill.
I work for a company that has 6 figures of employees.
We travel to the USA regularly. This will immediately get flagged and bump the overall travel cost.
Still won’t protect you from being whisked off the street, sent to an internment camp for months, then being deported to a 3rd country, and being banned from ever coming
vanback to the US.The way things are going, US will enact an optional $1000 “anti-deportation” Visa fee for tourists that want added safeguards against kidnapping.
We already have “TSA Precheck” which is just a bribe to tell the authorities to not look so closely at your bags and shoes.
A van you say…what van?
This fee is paying for that service.
I don’t call it the ‘land of the fee and home of the easy payment plan’ for nothing.
I have a feeling they are doing this for people applying for visa for the world cup next year. Last world cup, Qatar saw 3.4 million fan.
With this in place a d we assume third of that number attend the government is looking at maybe 250 million.
Which is paltry. Even if we get the same numbers, that’s only $850mil. That’s not even enough to fund the fucking cafeteria at the Pentagon.
Actually, it’s enough for building the Pentagon for its original budget (43million in 1941) adjusted to inflation: 767 million. Though building materials and labour are starkly cheaper now, so maybe 2 or 3 Pentagons
Even if they would pay me $250, I wouldn’t want to go there.
See - everyone who’s new to the exciting play-by-play of a trump administration - this is how it goes. They do something like this - so boneheaded, so outrageous, so confoundingly incompetent you think, “That’s the stupidest thing there ever could be” and then tomorrow - NOPE! New stupidest thing!
We did this already. It was four years of fucking insane hell. Many, many people died.
We’re doing it again. I guess we’re the stupidest motherfuckers to ever be.
…do you continue to visit the uncle who has willingly covered himself in shit and lit his house on fire?..really?..
For every traveler who does pay the $250 fee, this is enough to scare away a dozen more who would’ve spent hundreds or thousands. Good job!
You can just use that $250 to get pegged by an escort and have a better experience.
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Boy am I looking forward to the World Cup next year. If things keep trending this way it will be one of the most enjoyable cluster fucks I’ll have ever witnessed.
It should be interesting to see the attendance numbers for similar events in the U.S. vs other North American countries
The attendance numbers will be:
“the biggest ever. YUGE. We have so much… The people.” - official FIFA statistics
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Nice track record at FIFA
Russia 2018
Qatar 2022
USA 2026
Morocco 2030
KSA 2034
2038?
What is KSA?
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Gaza 2042
Pyongyang
Yemen 2038
Here’s a reminder that the Olympics was held in Nazi-controlled Berlin, and a team of 18 black athletes from the US thoroughly trounced Hitler’s “master race” talking points by sweeping the medals.
The black athletes then had to return to the US, where segregation was still the norm; many of them struggled to support themselves afterwards, because racism kept them from being hired into any decent jobs.
Anecdotally, they were treated better in Nazi Germany than 30’s America.
Really tells it all.
Anecdotally, they were treated better in Nazi Germany than 30’s America.
Because they were US citizens. While the US has some pretty… ugly history. If you think Nazi Germany would have treated a random black citizen better than what they got in the US you are absolutely delusional. The only reason they weren’t sent to camps with the Jews was because the population was deemed too insignificant to be worth the effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany
It’s still irony. Like rain on your wedding day
No, you’re thinking of rai’iain.
Thanks to wwii and the experience of black soldiers, Paris became a hot-spot for jazz because so many us musicians would come play there to escape the racism at home.
And the French back then were fucking racist, just nowhere near as bad as the Americans.
The Nazis got their methods from American segregation laws
…and eugenics.
Department of tourism doing the lords woke. Braise jeasus.
The headline is misleading.
- It’s a refundable deposit
- It’s not for all travelers but only for those on non-immigrant visas. Most notably, does not apply for ESTA travelers
what if i don’t have another 250 bucks? Jail? or Venezuela?
You just don’t get a visa if you don’t have 250 bucks. Actually, you need a proof of funds to apply for the visa anyways
Well the article clearly says there hasn’t been any implementation of this so it is unclear how you even pay let alone get a refund. It says it may be years before refunds could happen.
Do they say when it will be refunded though? Will it be refunded in cash or in TrumpBux? Isn’t Trump going to add a 200 dollars tax on it, because reasons?
How many countries are going to add reciprocal fees? I hope all of them 😕
Why would we? If someone wants to visit from the US and spend their money here instead of at home, I’ll let them.
Is this also from the Nazi playbook?
Let’s see, we got gestapo kidnappings, unlawful detainment, concentration camps, sycophant loyalists…
Cha-ching! There is nothing more to america than money. It’s money all the way down.
