Locking this post because there is a lot weird shit and reports coming from it.
No idea who this is, but they have a lot to unpack in therapy. 15 year olds don’t seduce adults…
I hate to tell you, but you and your grandmother’s trauma are valid, and not at all okay. The fact that they are trying to rationalize it tells me they know on some level that what happened wasn’t okay. Its a defense mechanism.
The 15 year old seducing adults was probably abused themselves
Yeah, thats kind of the point of my comment.
Well they shouldn’t successfully be seducing adults, but some will try.
Back in college at my place of work you’d have the high school freshman customers coming in and hitting on the college guys, pretty hard. Of course it would have been shameful to actually roll with it because what are you, some loser that can’t get a real college girl?
Also I recall my classmates in junior high and high school trying to flirt with some of the teachers. And of course you have the “get good grades from the professor” trope for college, which technically are adults but the power dynamic and creepiness is the same.
15 year olds aren’t exactly thinking well enough but they certainly have the hormones going.
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i actually looked that up and found that the median age of giving birth to your first child was around 21 or 22.
that was largely dependent on wealth though. the wealthier you were, the sooner you had children. that’s why most nobles gave birth first around 14 or sth.
That was because the age of menarche (first menstruation) in medieval times in Europe was in the 18-19 range. Malnutrition delays menarche. The vast majority of people then were peasants, and peasants were not wonderfully well-fed.
More body fat? More estrogen production.
do you have a good source on that? it sounds very interesting
My great-grandmother, who was born in 1910, may have gotten married at 13 (iirc her husband was 17-18 at the time) and had my grandmother when she was 14… but that’s doesn’t make it “right” that she was a teen mother. She married young to get out of an abusive home life and that was her only way out at the time.
Times have changed, that’s for sure. There are still huge, successful rock acts that are known to have engaged in that. I’m not excusing any of it but it was normalized, and to a degree we overlook it with varying levels of cognitive dissonance. My 16 year old prom date in 1990 went with me as friends because her boyfriend was 29 with the full blessing of her parents. Child porn wasn’t illegal until 5 years after I was born.
But also I look back on those times and see so many girls with what today would be clearly seen as signs of abuse (including my prom date). It was always wrong. It was always harmful.
That’s absolutely bizarre.
Also, there’s a lot of lyrics in older rock music that haven’t aged well, to say the least. Kinda disappointing actually.
I’m not sure who this is but the only thing I know about her right now is that she’s okay with pedophiles.
She’s a successful rap artist who’s made some of the biggest songs of the past decade, but also happens to be a deranged person with some extremely toxic beliefs. I’m not really surprised at her antics, and in this case it makes me believe she was sexually abused as a teenager but she has normalized and rationalized her abuse in her head
I’m like you. I don’t know who she is. But she has been forced into my feed.
Like when known racist Conner McGregor sends her dick picks. https://www.aol.com/conor-mcgregor-leaked-x-rated-003442730.html?guccounter=1
WTF? No, Ms. Banks, I was a teen in the 80s and no, my friends were not doing 40 year olds, eeeew. That was still called Statutory Rape. Girl, you are 34, do you find 14 year old boys attractive? I thought not. Those are children.
Don’t be too sure. She started out “in Trump’s defense”, FFS.
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10 states have a minimum marrying age of 17; 20 states have a minimum age of 16; two states have a minimum age of 15; and four states don’t have a minimum age specified at all.
So it’s not really illegal. You just need to be married first.
I’m not going to bother to explore what the pre-2018 laws were, but even for a lot of the laws where underage people are still allowed to marry, 14 is still younger than age of marriage in general.
And this is separate from age of consent. The four states that have no specified minimum marriage age have age of consent at 16 or 18, so technically you can be married but not having sex. Being a child spouse even without the sex part is screwed up, so it’s a somewhat related, but different concern to this discussion.
Incidentally ‘technically’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Someone under the age of 18 needs at least parental approval in those four states, and even in the worst of those cases if someone is under 15, a judge has to get involved and explicitly approve the marriage as well as parents. So again, a 14 year old getting married? In theory possible but unlikely even in the few states where it is technically legal.
In short, yes, it was broadly illegal, with some states giving green light at 16, and under more select circumstances earlier (I see the wikipedia table goes as low as ‘13’ ‘by age’, but unrestricted only goes down to 16. I don’t quite understand what the ‘by age’ and ‘by authority’ columns even mean, but I’ll assume ‘unrestricted’ is at least where you don’t need to find a weird loophole.
Marriage doesn’t change age of consent.
I think in several states you CANNOT prosecute your husband, regardless of the other laws
That’s only because they considered marriage implied consent. Statutory rape doesn’t consider consent since the victims cannot legally give it. So it only would apply to general rape laws.
Also, that hasn’t been true for more than 50 years. Every state has marital rape laws.
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Growing up in a state where the legal age was 18, we heard “16’ll get you 20” back in the 70s and 80s.
So no idea where this nonsense about the 90s started.
In California, the age of consent was 18 by 1920. In the 1960s and 1970s when I became sexually active, almost nobody I knew was 18 or over at the time of their first sexual experience. It was a widely-ignored law, selectively enforced. When I was under 18, most of my partners were of similar age (and on the Pill).
In the 1880s, the age of consent in California was 10. That was typical for most states in that era. The increase to 18 was driven by the same odd alliance of progressive eugenicists and Christian reactionaries who brought us Prohibition.
The widespread belief in the US that two 17-year-olds having a screw should be subject to prosecution seems insanely punitive and contrary to human nature.
It’s 16 in the UK, which in my view makes better sense. All of the EU countries set the age of consent somewhere in the 14-16 range.
When I was under 18, most of my partners were of similar age (and on the Pill).
Lots of places have romeo and juliet clauses for this. I.e when it’s two 16 year olds, it’s fine. If it’s 16 and 25, it’s not.
It’s 16 in the UK, which in my view makes better sense. All of the EU countries set the age of consent somewhere in the 14-16 range.
16 is bordering fine, but anything below that is too low IMO. Again, the so called romeo and juliet laws are important here. It means that even if the age of consent is 18, teenagers can still do it among themselves and if you’re 15 and your 17 year old partner suddenly turns 18, that usually isn’t a big deal either. Let’s protect teenagers from grown ass adults, but let them sleep with each other because that’s going to happen anyway, teenagers are crazy filled with hormones - so they should be able to get contraceptives and stuff without any worry of legal repercussions if anyone finds out.
The startling part for me, having grown up in an 18 state, is that the majority of US states are 16.
When I heard that for the first time I was like “Oh, that can’t be right…”
Yup. 30 states = 16, 8 states = 17, 12 states = 18.
Prolly she grew up in the 90’s, fucking older men, and only later has had people go “oh that doesn’t sound healthy” and presumes that there just was no judgement at all from anyone when she was actually doing it, just because she didn’t witness any personally.
Presumably.
So basically: “Yeah, he was raping 14 year olds, it’s no big deal. Everyone was doing it.”
Girl, no, we practically share a date of birth, and I remember distinctly that 18 has always been the age of consent, including many places outside the US. I was shocked to find out some places had lower legal limits.
The age of consent in your state may surprise you then. It is 16 for most of them. I grew up in Canada, and it was 14 until 2009, and is 16 now. As a father of teenagers, I’ve noted that age of consent is a double-edged sword, “protecting the children” not only from would-be sexual predators, but also from themselves when they choose to express their gender differently. Because what it really is, is an age of asserting bodily autonomy. Whether I like it or not, there comes an age when my teens should have a right to do whatever they want with their own bodies. In my opinion, it’s fine to pick an age to be a legal guideline for when a person is incapable of asserting their own rights, but we should immediately defer to the choice of an individual whenever a person is old enough to demand it.
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People are having kids before that.
that’s a very strange phrasing.
do you mean “people shouldn’t be having kids until they’re mature and comfortable financially” ?
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Grass
Touch it
You do realize that there are other reasons to fuck besides to have kids?
you do realize your comment doesn’t make sense in this thread ?
A girl having a child at 12 is different when the dad is say… anywhere from 12-15 vs when the dad is 40.
I was just talking to my wife about how MAGA will find some way to justify trump being a pedophile. They already try to justify rape…
