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    This is bullshit. What people want is someone is willing gut the DNC of the old guard. They need people who care, but also someone whose willing to create a political program where the voters needs come before the donors and politicians. Everyone knows that the Republicans before 2016 and the the Dems of the last 50 years only saw the voters as an inconvience to what they each thought they were entitled to.

    a still from Ronnie Chieng's recent Netflix special

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      mamdani, AOC, bernie, even buttigeg isnt really what the dnc is looking for. Buttigeg mainly becauses hes gay isnt really meshing well with older Dem voters.

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    Push shit people care about? Idk you think that strategy would really work? I should probably ask the consultants about it first.

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      Bro we’re serious this time. We just need to work on messaging while not actually offering voters anything.

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        I’ll go get the Big List of Biden Accomplishments - all of which were wins of varying sizes from small to historic - for “voters” and draw out all the boo birds who don’t give a crap.

        “Offering the voters anything” how about NOT fascism and all the science, education, and aid stays properly funded? No? Maybe this isn’t the target market for that kind of thing. Maybe we need the soccer moms and whatever because the radical left won’t even support AOC for . . . what was it? Oh yeah “shepherding neolibs into the DNC”.

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          Biden’s biggest accomplishment is letting Trump win by fucking up the election and taking up bad policies.

          The blame is with the democrats for not appealing to their base, not with voters for not siding with them.

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            Biden’s biggest accomplishment is letting Trump win by fucking up the election and taking up bad policies.

            Nah, you’re just completely and utterly ignorant to all of his actual accomplishments because you never bothered to pay attention and have a fetish for whining.

            Fucking up at the end of your term doesn’t erase everything else you did accomplish.

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          Is this the list with all the duplicate entries that gives biden credit for Obama’s accomplishments and counts repainting air force one as an accomplishment?

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          how about NOT fascism and all the science, education, and aid stays properly funded?

          Biden didn’t off either of those, lol.

          Oh yeah “shepherding neolibs into the DNC”.

          ???

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          Everytime Biden could have had a big win he went the opposite direction, just like the Kamala campaign.

          Student loan forgiveness - > use weakest method, water down and drag out to pointlessly means test then say you can’t do anything after courts say no. With bonus we’ll let the loans start back up as a compromise for nothing with gop

          Gaza genocide - > say you’re doing everything you can to stop it while doing nothing but give weapons to those doing the genocide.

          Trump does treason - > out a republican in place who slow walks the investigation so it takes so long trump back in office to shut it down.

          Build back better - > continuously give in to 1 senator until it’s so watered down it doesn’t even do what it started out to accomplish.

          how about NOT fascism - > were going to do their exact immigration bill to prove we’re just as hard on minorities as they are.

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          trump and congress already set up THE dEMS TO fail on thier next election anyways, with the BBB, and department cuts, they will issue all MSM to blame Ds non-stop, conservatives, and low info people have memory of goldfishes.

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            Yeah. Maybe if we could get a majority in both houses that didn’t include Manchin, Sinema, or Lieberman. Maybe some people could run that were able to win?

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                No offense but the rate things are deteriorating, the new gestapo are going to have people like me and you in the guillotine within the next decade. Thanks for fucking us both over and ensuring NO ONE gets medical funding, jackass.

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                  I’m even more tired of taking the blame for “inciting fascists to fascist” than I am tired of excuses.

                  Your options are “Universal Healthcare” or “Guillotine”.

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                Universal Healthcare, or guillotine.

                Here’s the thing. You, and most Americans, don’t have the balls to put these people in a guillotine. Those are just big words you’re using on the internet.

                You aren’t getting Universal Healthcare in the next election. Or the one after that. Reality, especially in this country of fat asses sitting on their couches, is not going to be we get it all now or they get executed. The reality is we’re going to have to dig in and start the long process of reforming the Democrat party by primarying people that won’t get onboard with our demands. Conservatives literally just did that to the Republican party over the last decade or so.

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              You had a D president and D majorities in the house (39 seat) and the senate (7 seat). Best you could do was Obamacare. If a single guy can neutralize a 7-seat majority, and you can’t take away his power to do that (you could, but you didn’t) then the game is clear. It’s been a controlled opposition scenario for a long time now.

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                the republican neutered the original bill of "ACA’ and they wernt going to agree with it unless its watered down, plus there were a ton of DINOS at the time too.

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                Well yeah, 57 isn’t 60, so it couldn’t pass filibuster. They could remove the need for filibuster but that ALSO REQUIRES 60 VOTES.

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                  They could remove the need for filibuster but that ALSO REQUIRES 60 VOTES.

                  Ending the filibuster forever requires only 51. Don’t lie on behalf of the people who won’t do it just because you like the results.

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                  There’s a method of getting rid of the filibuster with a simple majority - the so called “nuclear option” we’ve been hearing about. Perhaps you agree that the public option wasn’t worth it. I don’t. And I claim that was a deliberte choice made by the controlled opposition to protect private capital. They could have passed it, but they didn’t and the story sold that time was bad Joe Lieberman killed it.

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    Too bad Pete slammed Bernie in the 2020 debates, following the script given to him by the DNC. If he had actually supported Bernie, we wouldn’t be in this fascist mess.

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      Reminder that Bernie Sanders lost both primaries by not getting enough votes from American voters.

      Hard Truth: Bernie isn’t as popular in reality as he is on the internet.

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        Yeah, the super delegates voting ahead of the public and putting their fingers on the scale to create a massive lead out the gate had no affect on the minds of voters whatsoever.

        The DNC is corrupt trash.

        At the same time, I’ll still put the majority of the blame on voters. Primary turnout is like 15% of eligible voters. Completely embarrassing.

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        Hard truth: he polled better than Clinton among the demographics that voted Trump into office. Shame the DNC railroaded him by publicly announcing that delegates wouldn’t vote for him. Shame they strategically pulled other candidates from the race to shore up votes for Biden in 2020. You can also thank him for meeting with Biden’s team during Covid and crafting a joint platform to help them win votes, since Biden barely has a progressive bone in his body. Shame about the surrounding elections, who knows what went wrong there?

        Hard truth: Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren gave public statements that the 2016 primary was rigged before they walked it back. That Donna Brazile, the one who gave two questions to the Clinton campaign before the debate. You’re free to speculate as to why the former chair of the DNC and another railroaded progressive voice in the party would have knowingly made such a statement on the record.

        Hard truth: Bernie’s policies are popular. The ones the Democrats have adopted are the only things keeping them above water, and unless you’re looking forward to a Democratic Party that chases the white male vote by being hard on crime and immigration again—and those strategy meetings have occurred and you’re free to read about them—you’re going to have to change your tune.

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        Hard Truth: You’re mistaken. That’s not actually how things played out. Many of us remember it well, and those who are too young or were too busy can easily read the details in the history books.

        … But hey, I don’t blame you for trying. Pro-corporate Democrats and their supporters should be scared of candidates who advance real left-wing policies. Your policies are failing the country, and your power is waning.

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      I think people misunderstand. Pete is saying that Democrats should pretend to care about people while not actually doing so.

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    No i also care about the policies.

    Idk if I’m the minority but there shouldn’t be a “middle ground” between making money off owing homes and people’s ability to live in one.

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      Fuck Pete, he helped stop Bernie Sanders, you know the guy who was running on a platform that people liked.

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      You are not in the minority. Housing is a human right, although apparently not an American right.

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    All y’all miss the point?! Mamdani’s proposals are focused on what New York City voters told him they want. How can Democrats anywhere get game like his? Get their happy asses on the street and talk to everyone.

    Mamdani interviewed Trump supporters and listened to them. He’s fascinating to watch, a politician that listens closely and responds to exactly what he heard, doesn’t spout a list of talking points.

    All he’s saying is that Mamdani’s ideas may not be applicable to all Democratic constituents, but the listening part is the secret sauce.

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      Mamdani’s proposals are focused on what New York City voters told him they want.

      I’d go a step further. He’s championed some very popular local policies, but he’s also trailblazing into territory that progressives still just have on the drawing board. The trick is that the progressive policies hinge on the municipal leadership providing real, tangible amenities to city residents.

      Mamdani interviewed Trump supporters and listened to them.

      Did Mamdani do well on Staten Island? Seems like that was Cuomo’s turf. Seems like he was much more tuned in with Brooklyn, Uptown Manhattan, and the Bronx. One reason why Richie Torres has completely flip-flopped on Mamdani is tied to how well Mamdani did in Torres’s district. Also why Jefferies is running scared.

      But rent freezes and cheap groceries and free buses aren’t terribly popular with the landlords and the car owners way out in the 'burbs. His failure to jerk off the NYPD is probably his biggest vulnerability, outside pissing off AIPAC by running as a non-self-hating Arab. That’s where all of Adams’s and Cuomo’s supporters still live.

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        At the same time, the people hate the NYPD, those dirty fuckers. If you want the popular vote, you need to tell the pigs to go to hell, especially in New York where they’re some of the worst human beings around.

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    One of the most unlikeable politicians pushed on us this decade, who’s been flatly rejected by the voters at every turn, thinks he has a clue about what people want.

    Pete would’ve thrived 20 years ago, but arrived just in time for the death of liberalism.

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      Lol.

      Buttigieg went from mayor of a random city to one of the finalists in the Democratic primaries for President of The United States and ended up as Secretary of Transportation.

      In the last 6 months, since the Biden administration ended, he briefly suggested he might run for Senator but then decided not to because he has a baby and wants to try another presidential run in a few years.

      He hasn’t been “flatly rejected by voters at every turn”. The fact that he made it to the final stage of the Democratic primaries when he was just a mayor of a mid-size city is a major accomplishment.

      This guy is a success story and you’re making him out to be a failed politician.

      I’m sure that doesn’t have anything to do with a personal agenda.

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      He knows what people want more than the entire GOP. Donald J. Trump is a pedophile, so he thinks people want to have child brides.

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        So why hasn’t that translated into better polling and winning elections? If he knows what people want, why does he choose to distance himself from ridiculously popular leftist policies?

        If you’re going to claim a notoriously out-of-touch politician is secretly in tune with the populace, the burden of proof is on you.

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          Donald J. Trump: the pedophile only knows what the unearned wealthy want: non-resistant children. And I said Pete knows what people want more than Pedophile J. Trump.

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            Cool astroturf, bro.

            Classic pro-Pete comment. Can’t ever articulate what he’s actually for.

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              I am directly addressing the Nazi in the room: the wealthy class that have been exploiting the workers. It’s about wealth devide and always will be. Fill in “Pete” with anyone who is not an out of touch rich person.

              Edit: I was responding to the meme. I honestly feel that Pete is an example of how Democrats are actually a right-wing party, and repu licans are far right authoritarian. Dems sabotaged Bernie.

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                wealthy class that have been exploiting the workers.

                Like by fixing the price of bread?

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    Oh Pete, you’re so cute, but no one believes you because you’re totally full of shit.

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    Pete was a shit transportation secretary. He’s a prime example of the “Peter Principle”. In fact, I’m going to refer to him as “Peter Principle” Buttigieg from now on.

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    Democrats are the perfect illustration of “it’s very difficult to make a man understand something, when his job depends on him not understanding it.”

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    “If people are wondering why this guy is popular, It’s because he does this outrageous thing called listening to what the people want”