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Well, given that the correct statement in that situation would be “We should run for our lives”, the 🐑 on the right is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Run to get slaughtered?
Or take down the slaughterers?Whatever will produce the best outcome in both the short and the long term. Trying something and failing would be demoralizing, but still better than just getting slaughtered. Proving that escape is an option may encourage others to try and escape.
So there’s no real definitive answer to your question.
History proved otherwise…
Forgot where I read because it’s been years ago, but someone said that humans should be blessed being born human and not as sheep, as sheep can be led anywhere without question including for slaughter.
Has the sheep made any plans for this resistance? Have they made any preparations for it? Formed any organizations? No? They just expected all the other sheep to suddenly form themselves into an army, do all the work themselves, and then praise the guy who said “we should mount a resistance” as a great visionary hero?
The second sheep is right. That isn’t the time to say “we should mount a resistance”. It’s the time to actually resist using whatever means you have available. Of course, that would take actual effort and sacrifice, so they’ll just march to the slaughter wondering why the revolution never came.
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and with such vast power and influence… name the victories the US has had verses an insurgency on their own turf?
and that’s considering untouchable industrial military complex, logistics pipeline, more numerous, better trained, and armed forces, unlimited money, and no real push back from the american populous.
if one appeared within the US… it would be absolutely devastating to the military
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since the 1770’s i know of two wars the US has won against an insurgency.
the US has been in a LOT of wars though. and one of the things they learned was that bombs were not very effective, and the us would have a much worse time off it bombing their own cities. A-wall’s and desertions would go through the roof, they would be out gunned a thousand to one, with literally more guns then people. Isfulstructure they would rely on is vulnerable from every angle, the government would be prisoners in their own bunkers.
it would be devestating if the us has an insurgency
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For all of your sakes, I hope you’re right, but what is happening right now is literally every single right is being stripped away. Even the right to vote is in a thin line. Is it worth fighting if you’re no longer allowed to vote? If not, the american people are as spineless as I always thought they were.
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Weapons are for the weak.
America didn’t win in Afghanistan, and you think it would win a war if the military was forced to turn their guns on friends and family?
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commanders don’t really matter if the soldiers revolt
The soldiers are people who looked at this and said “sign me up”.
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Disagree. There’s too many Americans to carpet the whole 🇺🇲. Trump doesn’t want a pyrrhic victory.
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But… they don’t have enough missles to kill even 1% of the population (no source) Unless you include nukes… So they don’t really matter if the resistance is large enough.
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I did say unless you include nukes.
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Two non nukes per city would be barely a scratch. Maybe a few thousand people per city if you hit the most densly populated spot.
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Everything I see talks about it being nuclear. So no source on what it can do with a non nuclear payload. But I feel confident it is less than MOAB. And that can’t kill to many.
Thats like salting then bleaching the plants in your garden because butterflies disturb you. You can do it to show how powerful you are but you’re really doing more damage to yourself.
Yes. And the second best time is now.
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This again.
bring themselves to check a box for genociders.You’re absolutely fucking stupid if you think this is better. You get a genocide plus an erosion of every facet of your life, reducing your potential impact to affect said genocide.
Genocide started underBlue MAGA, they supported it.
What happens to the US and their erosion is deserved, they onlu cared about themselves anyway.
Now they get a taste of their own medicine. Enjoy
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I’m European, seeing you go down is winning
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some sadistic joy from the suffering of other
LOL
The majority of the world wants you violent imperialist mass murdererd gone.
It’s a joyful event.
No crocodile tears for any of you or your kind.
But rolling over is not an option. The military isn’t going to kill all the workers. The workers are more important than any other group. If the workers strike, the rich suffer.
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When the resistance in territories occupied by nazi germany and imperial japan killed a high ranking official of the occupying force, the occupiers would round up innocent people and shoot to kill them on the streets. “Reprisals” is what it’s called. But do you think the resistance should’ve given up? Surrender to nazi germany and imperial japan just to avoid the “reprisals”? No, because if they had done that, the whole world would be speaking german and japanese.
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Yeah guys! It’s very important that we learn nothing from history and that we ignore the signs of fascism rearing its head once more. /s
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Obviously. What do you think happens to the workers once they’re enslaved? The workers need to unite NOW, if they’re ever gonna have a chance to pull the rich and powerfull down into the mud.
But what is your solution to the current issue then?
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If you did have a time machine, how would you get everyone to vote?
trade stock tips? with the time machine you could even go to an earlier time to exploit knowledge of economic trends, and then make multiple trips to the day before the election… every time you run out of time, just go back 24h again.
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You know how you could change it? By convincing the DNC they will 100% lose on the platform and actions that made them lose. Nothing else, going back and trying to tell millions of people that ICE will send people to concentration camps and deprive them of due process and give Israel unlimited logistical and diplomatic support as they commit a genocide, and they will say “…like theyre doing now?”
LOL “wait it out”
What a bunch of pathetic weaklings.
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So just don’t do anything, and hope your slaveowner will be nice? Got it. He won’t, and a lot of people will die because you don’t give enough of a shit.
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Voter turnout is always highest for presidential elections, and the last two have had the highest in decades. Yet that is still in the low 60’s. Any ideas for how to increase turnout?
vote harder!
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There was no box with a non-genocide collaborator.
No one is coming to save you, my friends. Strength, as always, lies in community building.
Also better written: “my friends: Strengthen yourselves together, you can achieve miracles when you bond.”
Then the sheep mounts a resistance by doing the best it can (killing the farmer or shouting very loudly), see that whatever it has done hasn’t changed anything and that nobody is joining or paying attention to it, and then it’s an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.
Mounting a resistance is much harder than “just doing something”
Have you tried the French Method
If Americans aren’t even willing to protest, truly protest, they’ve already lost their country to the first tinpot dictator that came along. It’s horrifying seeing someone downvote a post like yours that urges them to defend themselves.
America is lost and it’s because of Americans.
French method is how we got in the situation we are in, it literally led us from the rule of aristocrats to rule of capitalists
Putting them in a dumpster isn’t enough
Giving up before trying is the best way to help the enemy
It’s better to not even try. Sounds very American.
It’s more of a critique of the “just do something” culture. Killing one farmer will just result in that farmer getting replaced with an identical cog in the machine, it also won’t magically inspire all the sheep to kill their oppressors as seen historically with humans - that kind of thing is only found within books.
Pretty much the only kind of effective action if the goal is to change things rather than merely feel good in the moment is organization, but it is a slow, tedious and dangerous process - it’s not something that can be achieved immediately or individually.
I grew up playing baseball. I’d rather go down swinging.
I used to think that a good death would be in my sleep, in my old age. Now I think of that as a waste. I’ve come to the conclusion that my end will have a twist ending, and I intend to make the best of it.
Cool, we’ll wait for you to do something instead of being edgy on the internet.
Damn! I thought the OP ignited a flame and you’d join the fray. I’m the same as you I guess, being flippant to the folk who are concerned but helpless. Let’s all wait!
I highly reccomend the book ‘Blessed is the Flame’ for a more in-depth take on this mindset, and how it breaks. It’s a short read, but quite incredible.
lmao this is dark… And a very good comparison of the world as it is now.
Reality is worse: 90% of sheep bred for meat are lambs slaughtered at less than 2 years old. Mutton (adult sheep) is cheaper and less preferred.
what’s so bad about any of that?
You have one specific meat industry largely organized around killing baby animals.
why should baby animals matter more than any other? one that’s had longer to live and develop relationships surely is worse to be led to slaughter than one with hardly any understanding of the world and their place in it.
With how industry has changed chickens… I am always surprised they haven’t managed to modify sheep so that the adults are as desired as the young.
Why should they? Adults are more expensive to raise per kg of meat.
I assumed the adults were a lot bigger.
Not a lot. Growth slows down fast when an animal gets older.
So they are slaughtered at between 6 and 12 months, because that’s the time where the growth slows down too much.
No point in having a 30% heavier animal if it takes 2x as long to get to that point.
Totally, I didn’t realize they grew so fast. And in my head a lamb is like a baby. Guess not really.
Yeah, it’s like with the human term “child”. A child is anything from birth until age 12 or so. There’s quite a bit of a difference in that age range.
For sheep, a lamb is anything up to roughly a year.
In fact, sheep enter puberty at ~3-4 months, so a lamb will usually be slaughtered during puberty.
America is not the world, and Gaza has been in a constant state of resistance.
Yeah I don’t think they were talking about keyboard warriors that would never actually do anything.
If keyboard warriors aren’t effective, then why are they among the first people that dictators go after?
If keyboard warriors aren’t effective, why do MAGAs put so much effort into the Conservative Propaganda Machine?
They are ineffective. Dictators tend to suppress all dissident speech, not keyboard warriors specifically. Also, they can’t go after anyone not in their country. Obviously, the internet gives people that ability.
Most of the keyboard warriors I’ve seen are non-American. Trying to egg us on into indiscriminate violence.
Even if the keyboard warrior won’t actually do something, that doesn’t excuse you from doing the same.
I’m not the one calling for indiscriminate violence. Sheer stupidity playing directly into Trump’s hands.
Who’s calling for indiscriminate violence? I’m all for carefully targeted violence. Let’s make it count.
Thyme
With some garlic and olive oil.
Blacks, women and LGBT folks have been the largest gun buying demographic for several years. You suburban white boys didn’t get the memo?
It’s a commitment for sure, NOT to be taken lightly. You do you.
If not now, then when?
Tomorrow
later
