Actually i guess the bigger issue is that we’re gonna be unemployed in 15 years due to a declining demand of human labor and then who pays back what?
Today you could afford the pay-back rate, but not in the future, and the banks are well aware of that.
Joke’s on them, I have a 15-year mortgage on my condo. (Lower interest rate than a 30-year mortgage, USA, ymmv)
There is no declining demand of human labour, and there is no indication that it will ever happen. The way the labour is performed is changing, just like it always does
Right? You don’t need to exist long term. Fuck off and die, meat.
Edit: by which i of course mean ‘i dont need you to exist’. Which is the same thing, right?
My issue wasn’t getting pre-approved, it was being able to actually afford the mortgage amount I was pre-approved for. A lot of these companies don’t give a damn if you can actually afford the mortgages they offer, because they know you’ll either figure it out or go homeless trying.
We probably live in different countries, but where I live it’s more like you can’t get pre-approved for anything unless you either have a large amount of money saved up, or your salary is high enough that it’s far beyond what you would reasonably need to get paid to afford the mortgage.
You live in Germany don’t you
Or any country with responsible lending rules.
Lenders are not your friends. They’d take your organs as payment if they were allowed. The rules are there to stop them doing bad lending and then hounding you to your death.
yes, as any good for profit company should
Oof bruh, I am starting to doubt my earlier offer…
Is it a thing to find German mortgaging standards whacky?! I finally feel heard! Basically everyone here seems to pick up 35+ year mortgages with seemingly low monthly expenses, but the overall amount of interest they accumulate over that time is absolutely insane! And still, everyone says that you shouldn’t pay more than 30% of your monthly income into your mortgage. It’s hard to even find a bank that allows you to pay for a decent Sondertilgung each year. And don’t even get me started on that whole Bausparvertrag system, because I have no idea what is going on with it or why anyone would ever do that
Yeah that was my experience as well. Mortgage companies were happy to pre approve me up to like 75% of my monthly income. Not even close to enough to buy even cheap food.
Fudging the numbers a bit, but let’s say I’m paying $3000/mo for a mortgage. Brokers tell me I can afford $10,000/mo.
I cannot afford $10,000/mo.
I hate to break it to you, but mortgage payments are not cheaper then rent anymore. Obviously depends on your mortgage and money down and all that, but if you expect to pay half as much for mortgage payments as you did for rent, you’re going to have a very bad time.
This isn’t true in my experience at all. Either rent is cheap where you are or you’re looking at expensive houses or not for a 30 year period. The rate currently is around 6-9%. It would only be more expensive if the house is. No other hidden fees
Well in my very recent experience it is extremely, painfully, unavoidably true. That’s why I said it. We just bought a house, 150k less than we qualified for, and our monthly payment is 33% higher than we were paying in rent. Rent is far from cheap, there’s just no such thing as an inexpensive house unless you want one in a terrible neighborhood or an hour drive outside the city. In the first case, not only is it a bad idea just to live in these neighborhoods, the chances of making money on the resale are next to nil. The burbs option of course offers more for your money, but that comes with more maintenance, yardwork, housework, gas money, transit stress, etc. We worked with very knowledgeable, trustworthy realtor and mortgage brokers and there’s simply no math in the current market that gets mortgage payments lower than the rent we were paying without buying a literal, active crack house.
And to claim there’s no extra fees involved with buying and owning a home compared to renting is either utter delusion or repugnant gaslighting.
Parents and brother went in on a house together so he could live near work. Rents out the main floor for $3750 a month (3 bedroom) and that covers the mortgage so he can afford to pay the utilities and lives in the basement.
Surely, this depends a lot on what market you’re in. If you’re in a very expensive area and need to take a big loan with a high fixed rate, I can see that being the case but renting the equivalent place would probably be extremely expensive too.
renting the equivalent place would probably be extremely expensive too.
Right, like I said, mortgage is not cheaper, certainly not half as cheap. The market I’m in is a metropolis, it contains every range of the market, it just depends how much gun violence you prefer.
The problem here is inability to read between the lines. The [bank?]'s message is pretty clear: “Stop polluting my sight, you filthy poor.”
Not buy a house, inherit a house from our boomer parents.
They’ll sell it to pay for the elderly homes.
You’ll only inherit the clay ashtray that you made for them in 3rd grade.
Boomer parents: emotionally abuses you for your entire childhood/teenhood
Me: Has severe depression
Boomer parents: “WHY ARE YOU SO LAZY AND UNGRATEFUL, USELESS EATER, BURDEN ON SOCIETY” then proceeds to threaten to leave me out of the will.
Funny thing is, she also threatens to leave my older brother out of the will. Basically she tries to make us hate each other, and we do hate each other. My entire family is dysfunctional. They are all conservatives, racists, LGBT+ phobic, has the toxic masculinity mentality, ableist af. They think anyone with a slight disability deserves to get executed because its “a waste of resources”. This is why I dislike my ancestral homeland, it reminds me of hatred and intolerance.
Edit: Technically they aren’t boomers, but I’ll still call them boomers because they share that same boomer mindset.
Who didnt reverse mortgage it to pay for extravagant vacations. Taking the last spots to see shit like the coral reefs they murdered.
Three kids, one house, we hunger gaming this shit?
'Cos two of us are married, there’s kids and that house only has three bedrooms and no land for extensions
(I kid of course, my sister is inheriting my house when I inevitably explode)
People don’t want to twerk anymore!
We have back problems now, Lauren.
At this point, yeah I would twerk on OnlyFans just to get a mortgage…
Come back with some inheritance and then we will talk.
You can’t even get an apartment here without making a ton of money. Cheapest studio apartment here is $1,500 a month. I have to prove i make $4,500 a month just to barely qualify, which i don’t. Then they charge you so much for application fees, and then utilities they overcharge for, it’s all a scam.
Going to be wild when people just give up on society and just start eating the ruling and ownership class. I tried warning these assholes if they didn’t give something. Then they would doom their existence. And now you have more people radicalizing everyday because they are being put on the streets.
To be the devil’s advocate here. Rental payments vs mortgage payments is not an accurate comparison of the true financial burdens.
With many rentals some if not all utilities are included in the price of rent, whereas homeowners must pay the full cost of utilities. There is also the additional cost of home insurance and property taxes. Most rentals have the majority of their maintaince covered whereas the homeowner is responsible for lawn cutting, gutter cleanings etc. The cost of repairs and maintaince is not negligible. While renting if the heat quits or an appliance breaks, the landlord is supposed to cover the cost but owning means you must take that full cost.
In the posted example, having double the mortage payment in rent payment is probably adequate to cover the additonal costs but the comparison of renting vs owning is not black and white. Several financial managers have even studied that depending on your needs and income, you can actually be getting ahead financially by renting if you don’t actually need the full benefits of owning and are able to maintain a store of wealth through other investments. This is especially true if you are in a rent controlled unit.
It seems like you are assuming an apartment rental and not a home rental. In my experience home rentals work very differently. Utilities are not included and you do end up paying quite a bit to maintain the home.
Where y’all finding houses for 500/month with a 25k downpayment?
Seems cheap af. If you only did a 25k downpayment the mortgage would certainly be more expensive than rent where I’m at.
There will be shitholes in bum fuck nowhere but in this area rent will not be 1k lol
I bought a 2 bedroom single family home in South Carolina last year for $86k with only $11k down, 7 minute drive from the city center of the capital city (Columbia). Mortgage is $480/mo. Cheap houses absolutely still exist if you’re willing to live in areas where “nobody wants to live”
My house was cheap in a shit area (like knuckle draggers shouting at hotels shit) and that cost me £800 a month 20 years ago.
And that was with a massive deposit. Still, paid that shit off now.
Would have been standard fare in Sweden until recently, but that’s obviously an outlier
Yeah saving the money to buy a house is terrible.
i swear my pancreas, the hospital and my bank account are conspiring against me
It took me starting my own business and throwing every dollar into savings to get a house. I advise anyone looking to get a house especially younger people to live at their parents as long as they can and save money that way too. But the standard if living keeps going up while pay stays crap too. It’s really hard. Every conspires against us. Life blows sometimes. lol
They don’t actually need regular payments for 10-30 years. They need you deposit that down payment cash ASAP so they can lease it to billionaires and crypto exchanges.
Idiocy.
The bank doesn’t get the down payment. The person selling the house does.
You pay that person the down payment, and the bank pays them the rest.
Honestly there’s loads of great reasons to hate banks but lots keep it real and avoid making up nonsense.
Banks typically ask for you to have cash in hand (deposited), or equivalent leverage, to qualify for loans in the first place.
The bank I used actively tried to get me to go with less down payment, and subsequently take out a larger loan.
But yes it is the height of idiocy to say, ‘down payment deposit’ when ‘qualifying assets’ is a more accurate term for the transactions function.
They need you deposit that down payment cash ASAP so they can lease it to billionaires and crypto exchanges.
No, this is patently false and borne of a misunderstanding. Idiocy.
When providing a mortgage, how does a bank get money to lease to billionaires and crypto exchanges?
Banks do leverage mortgage debt. Essentially the same process, in turn.
So why do they need your deposit in order to lease it to billionaires and crypto exchanges?
The deposit is to cover expenses/losses that arise out of defaults. Housing loans have been lile this forever. Not everything is a conspiracy.
the deposit is the keep young, inexperienced and glowy-eyes people from making commitments they don’t have the stamina to handle.
it happens a lot that 20 year olds want to buy a house with their new partner that they think they’re gonna be together with for the rest of their lives, only to have it all fall apart 5 years later. forcing to you save up a bit before actually buying the house means you go through a lot of experiences before you actually buy a house, which makes it more likely that you’ll have the far-sightedness that’s needed to actually buy a house. :)
Not necessarily young but inexperienced yes
That’s one thing, but there’s definitely a factor of “if there’s a market downturn AND we have to foreclose, we don’t want to lose too much”.
The house you’re buying is the collateral for their loan. If you took out a loan for 100% of the value of the house and are immediately unable to make payments, the bank then owns the house. For them to simply break even, they’d have to sell the house for more than you paid for it to cover the various costs (lawyers, agents, etc.) If the reason you’re unable to make payments is that the economy crashed and housing prices tanked as a result, the bank couldn’t hope to break even on their loan.
The down payment is basically a way to ensure that in the bank’s worst case scenario they still don’t lose money. In theory, the bigger the down payment, the lower the risk for the bank, and the better a rate you should get on the loan. Multiple banks should all be trying to be the one to give you a mortgage, and should be trying to compete by shaving their margins as tight as possible given their risk tolerance. Of course, it doesn’t always work out that way, but there’s a reason for what they’re doing and it’s not just to screw over their customers.
They can’t really ensure a positive worst case scenario. 15% is the minimum down payment where I live unless you use extra collateral, but a home could lose half its value if there’s a major economic downturn.
They’re just mitigating bad scenarios, not anything close to the worst case.
The worst case scenario is that the Earth is hit by a giant asteroid. At that point what does a little risk hedging in a financial transaction matter?
I went from an apartment that cost ~$1250/mo. To a mortgage that costs ~$4300/mo. Just got the “privilege” of owning a home (and paying for all repairs myself).
I can only afford this because of the people I’m sharing that cost with. We’re all on the deed, and we all have a stake, and claim to, the house. Four of us.
My payment didn’t really change.
The only way we could get to the point of a down payment is that one of the four of us has been saving for something like this since they were in highschool. Because of their effort, we had enough for a down payment.
And I’m lucky to be in this position.
What a fucking crock of shit.
Despite all of this, I’m hoping the market takes a dive so the rest of you can do the same at a much more affordable rate. I’ve already spent the money and I’ll be spending years paying it off. I didn’t buy a house up objectively save money, I bought a house for stability. I never want to move ever again. There are good reasons for that which I won’t get into. I promise that I will have ZERO issues if you all get a better deal than I did. I hope you do, and I hope the housing market, specifically the rental/flipping/“income property” markets crash, hard.
In the same way, I’ve paid off my school debt, I’m in favor of school debt forgiveness. I also enjoy pretty good health, I’m in favor of universal healthcare. I’ve never caused, not been the victim of a fire, I’m in favor of fire departments.
I could go on.
Good luck everyone.
In the same way, I’ve paid off my school debt, I’m in favor of school debt forgiveness. I also enjoy pretty good health, I’m in favor of universal healthcare. I’ve never caused, not been the victim of a fire, I’m in favor of fire departments.
That’s commie talk son. We pull the ladder up behind us in America.
I’m glad I don’t live in America then.
aren’t you lucky
Damn $4300 a month. I thought my $2600 was steep.
Right before we moved my rent had gone up to $2500 so it was a push. Now when we first started living there the rent was $1400 and the landlord had even refied so his mortgage was cheaper at the end. When we were moving out and he drove up in a brand new Rivian that I’m pretty sure I basically paid for…
Yeah, I went from $1200 rent to a $1300 mortgage but the city added $50k more value to the assesment so between taxes and insurance it’s going up to $1700/mo next year so that’s fun. I don’t know how many more years of that I could afford cuz $2600 just isn’t doable for me :/
To be fair, it’s a pretty large home. I’m living with my SO, my brother and his wife and there’s a couple of offspring that needed space too. Our house has ~5 ish bedrooms. Considering the number of people who live here, it can feel small. If it was just me and my SO, this would be humungous.
But that also means that we have four fully grown adults helping with the mortgage. So my share of the mortgage is around $1100 ish, per month, and we split most of the household bills, so I usually throw in about $400 more to help with that. I personally pay about $1500/mo.
My SO does the same, and we’ve encouraged my brother and his wife to also do the same. If everyone pays $1500 towards the house every month, we have more than enough to cover all the bills (electric/gas/water), as well as shared things like the Internet. Also that’s enough to cover the house insurance.
Yeah that actually sounds a little better than me. I’m the main bread winner and I’m responsible for almost all of it. It can be a little stressful at times
They did this before it worked out really well around 2008
Lemmy: blames capitalism for making loans too hard to get.
Also Lemmy: blames capitalism for making loans too easy to get.
What we have isn’t capitalism those banks should have gone under
I would agree. Or really, those banks shouldn’t have existed in the first place in that form - a “too big to fail” institution should be broken up before they can fail with a prudent economic policy.
But to lemmings, it’s still capitalism.
Whatever system America is, is capitalism.
It’s almost like capitalism is bullshit
More like blaming capitalism for the fact that it’s necessary to get a loan just to afford something as basic as shelter
I mean, imo people should be allowed to buy a piece of land and then live in a tent there as long as they arent dumping raw sewage on the ground in a metro area. But you can’t do this almost anywhere due to a number of factors which aren’t capitalist, so much as they are just bad ideas. Eg, minimum lot sizes, which mandate you must buy a lot of land, rather than only the amount you need. Or setback requirements, which mandate that you waste a substantial portion of that land, increasing the incentive to buy more land so a larger percentage is useable. Or absurdly low maximum occupancy limits (eg, in my city it is illegal for more than 2 unrelated people to live in the same home). Or sfh zoning, which restricts dense housing development to an absurdly small portion of land. Or using property taxes rather than georgist land value taxes, which allow speculators to sit on land indefinitely, waiting for the value to go up, rather than selling it to someone who would put it to good use. Or auto oriented infrastructure, which ensures that you will have to own a car to get from one part of town to another.
Remove these barriers, and basically everyone would be able find an apartment to live in, or can buy a small patch of land. On these small patches of land, individuals could start living rent free with just a walmart tent, a jug of water, and a 5 gallon bucket to poop in. Homelessness would be solved almost overnight, and it would cost basically nothing. From there, individuals unburdened of the need to pay rent or mortgages, could save money to put towards paying the city to install water, sewer, and electric infrastructure; pour home foundations; build framing, roof, and siding; etc. And once a minimal home was built, they could build additions over time, also without taking out loans.
This process would replicate the way cities were traditionally built for the last 5000 or so years, and after about 30 years or so, we would start to see these areas become some of the most attractive and desireable parts of our cities.
You’re describing slums, favelas, and shantytowns.
I’m describing the way humans lived and built cities since the dawn of civilization. Start small. Improve over time.
Hwy. How dare you blame systems. Only proximal causes can be addressed!
