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That meme is outdated. The people behind those bots have moved into USA a long time ago already. All they do is glaze over Trump nowadays. Civil war or not, you do you, but don’t blame us for your choice of pedophile for president.
The people behind those bots have moved into USA a long time ago already.
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This is something that has been well known and well documented for a very long time now. We’ve had reports and evidence from dozens of countries, not just the US. We’ve even had both Russia and China publicly admit that they’re doing this.
The only people who deny this are either far left tankies who just happen to to simp for Russia and China or far right neo nazis who also just happen to simp for Russia and China. I sure wonder where Russia and China are focusing their propaganda campaigns…
This is the Liberal’s version of “blame the foreigners” similar to how the Fascists blame immigrants.
It couldn’t possible the fault of insiders, many incredibly wealthy including some who actually own most of the fucking Press, plus yet others in positions of power and influence.
Of course not, those are “our” people. The country couldn’t possible be fucked up because of “our” people. The only explanation is those filthy foreigners.
It’s the exact same tribalist bollocks being deploye to protect the real monsters which are very much inside the walls, it’s just that one group of right wingers blame immigrants and the other blames foreign states - one arse, two cheeks, same shit.
Even more funny when this bollocks is used for America as done here is that thr one single country which American politicians support unwaveringly even when it’s against the very interests of America - Israel - ain’t one of the “filthy foreigners intervening in our nation”. I would looove to hear an explanation of how Russia or even China influence America more than Israel.
Whatever those nations are trying to do to manipulate America and Americans, it’s nothing compared with what some specific Americans are doing to the rest, especially the ones which own parts of the Press - China and Russia have very little influence in the country compared with those extremely wealthy people towards whom the Liberals point no fingers.
Hey bud, both are possible.
Of course Russia and China are trying to interfere like crazy - they too want to get their desired outcomes and their governments are as sociopathic as the rest.
Yet, judging by the outcomes they’re getting, they’re minions at this next to insiders and even “allied” foreign powers like Israel.
Knowing that, ask yourself the question “why so much focus on messages that it’s China and Russia damaging America when those countries aren’t getting much from America compared to the likes of Israel or even more compare to very wealthy insiders?”
As I see it, it serves the dominating Propaganda forces to get the riff-raff distracted with the “usual suspects” (which have a long history as antagonists of America) and it’s a very easy thing to do because it dovetails with the usual nationalistic tribalism (“Americans” v “foreignes”) and America is insanelly big on Nationalism compared to all other countries but the overty Authoritarian ones.
So the Fascists in America are fed the “immigrants want your jobs” variant of “foreigners bad”, whilst Liberals get fed the “foreign powers are making our country worse” version - it keeps both groups looking away from those actually pillaging their country and undermining whatever little Democracy the country still has.
You’re find plenty on very wealthy and well connected insiders who gain from having the plebes - both those aligned with the Fascist Party and those aligned with the Neoliberal Party - focused on the “evil foreigners” rather than looking for blame in their own house.
There are several people in America with Means, Motive and Opportunity to push “foreigners are fucking up our country” narratives, both a Fascist-appealing version and a Liberal-appealing one.
So you’re saying that you’re an Iranian bot and you’re upset you weren’t mentioned in the meme?
LOL!
Keep up batting for the ultra-rich!
i’m a ukrainian bot, thank you very much
The truth is that the U.S. civil war never really ended, it just went into a “cold” phase. If you don’t believe it, just look at all the Confederate flags still flying all over the South. Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” was all about keeping the war going, under the radar. It has only gotten more obvious since then.
With both parties working against the most of the american people and most of the media being in the pocket of some rich guy I don’t know how this is going to change other than rewriting the constitution to change how the american political system works. And being defeated in a war seems to be one of the only moments in time where this can happen. And as a non american I’d prefer if they duked it out amongst themselves. Pulling others into it seems unfair and the US might actually win. I’d much prefer if an alternative to war though since its one of the worst things that can happen to a person. I don’t know how it would look though. Please enlighten me me if you do.
The problem is that our armed forces are specifically structured to prevent civil war, while there aren’t strong regional divisions right now. It’s an all or nothing where you’re either in control or you’re not, and that will take a long time to change.
That said, Trump is absolutely destroying the institutional stability of our entire government in a way no one has done before. This won’t allow for a civil war under him, but a decade or two down the road might be a different story.
If governors like Gavin Newsom are as sinister in their power grabs as I suspect, there might be an increase in regional divisions that could make battle lines exist. If other empires are smart, they’ll encourage ambitious governors and local officials to lay the groundwork for a regionally divided civil war in the future. That’d be how an American civil war can happen; in the aftermath of a dictator like in the century of unrest after Caesar died.
Don’t forget all the Europeans here on Lemmy
I’m Canadian and don’t really wish it because it would be a very messy thing, but in a way, I’m thinking, if the US is stuck in a civil war, at least the chances of it invading my country should be much lower.
Like, it would be shitty, but at least countries that are now threatened to be annexed or invaded by the US could maybe breathe a little easier, and see Americans killing Americans for once, instead of people in other countries.
Typically when a country undergoes a violent internal conflict that depletes the coffers, the neighboring country’s resources start looking really nice.
But if the US is in a civil war, the EU will accept war refugees… right? Right? 👀
(pls lemme in 🥺👉👈)
The EU is totally going to align with Trump, officially citing his election but, in reality, based on him controlling the nukes and (probably) most generals.
I would very much like for USA to be much more stable than it’s currently so that it could help us with Russia. And this is of course why Russia is trying (and looks like succeeding) to make USA into a internally bickering cesspool.
libshits never beating imperialist allegation
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Do you know anything about the civil war? The military was built off of WWII, not the civil war, lol.
The rubes keep falling for it and they get all emotional and violent about it rather than getting informed.
What choice do they have? You think they can just wake up one day and like… not be a useless stupid tool in society?
Nah. We can be more surgical than that, you hamhanded barbarians
Its crazy that we have literal proof that these countries have tens of thousands 9-5 employees who’s entire job is to fuck the internet with lies and its just so normalized an accepted.
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and yet some instances get triggered when you state this fact
People still get mad at me when I point this out to them, like I’ve just told them the Earth is flat.
No, Biden didn’t lose just cause he was old. No, Labour UK isn’t tanking in the polls just cause they’re disappointing (the Conservatives were awful for 13 years and still won plenty elections). There’s more. There’s foreign meddling. And these people just refuse to believe it, as if their countries are impenetrable bubbles.
I used to work in organic growth and it’s crazy what you could do in astroturf or brand growth as just a normal person. To think that governments that cannot be challenged would restrain themselves from using this weapon is sadly too optimistic.
The reason why EU and US arent so blatant because they can’t just start a troll farm with publics approval.
The reason why EU and US arent so blatant because they can’t just start a troll farm with publics approval.
Doesn’t reddit use heavily correspond to US military bases?
Why would it correspond to military bases? They can pay their people to shit post and host bots from home.
Cus with the military you already have a readymade pool of labor to work from, with basicaly zero democratic civilian oversight. Plus, a lot of them live on base.
Why would the U.S. need public approval for a troll farm? That shit is highly classified. If you think the U.S. doesn’t do the same thing we accuse Russia and China of doing, I gotta bridge to sell you.
You can’t really hide thousands of employees under some maticsl “classified” seal.
Yeah you can, they do it all the time.
Nope
The meddling is foreign and domestic and it comes from $$$$$$$.
There is definitely foreign meddling but Keir Starmer ain’t making it any harder too
These countries don’t typically do 9-5 but yes…
who’s entire job
I agree. Who IS Job? Entirely. Just a fictional man or the basis of a remade Sumerian fable repackaged by the Greeks for the Essenes and their conquest?
True, but question: do you believe the US is doing the same or not? Whether it’s the actual government or companies
It doesn’t matter if its the US, Russia or China.
Leading governments launching campaigns to destabilize countries of millions of people while promoting their preferred fascist takeover has ultimately the same effect.
The working class suffers and loses while the elite endlessly benefit.
It’s an irrelevant question. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It just makes things more toxic. It’s wrong when the US does it, like anyone else. None of these governments with corrupt centralized power should exist. And this sort of propaganda doesn’t help people.
Agreed!
Of course not! The US is probably using LLMs.
They’re indisputably doing the same, except that the flow of instructions and money follows the US model instead.
You won’t find a government-signed paycheck anywhere (well… maybe), but the people who Congressman and Senators and their PACs have to beg for money, are the same people funding dark astroturfing movements.
American bots:
Everything is normal
American bots:
Keep doing nothing. Resisting is what the Russians and Chinese want.I’m not Russian. I’m not Chinese. And I don’t think I’m a bot. All I want is for that orange kiddie fucker to be imprisoned.
If the lazy fucking americans do that then all is forgiven on my part. Until they come out and officially acknowledge that he’s a disgusting blob of human scum then I’ll never forgive or forget.
There are as many different American factions of influence farming as there are foreign, and likely equally in opposition of each other.
Some day the internet is just going to be this entirely dead realm of soulless bots screaming nonsense corporate and political ideology back and forth at each other which nobody will ever see, while humans are too busy trying to grow potatoes in their yards to stay alive.
Lemmy users 🤝 governor of Utah
“I wish we could blame foreigners”
clearly everyone who says something you don’t like must be a Russian bot, Wikipedia says it
clearly unless Putin himself says it, everything is a lie.
I don’t care what Putin says, just pointing out xenophobia when I see it
Nice of you to equate Putin and the Russian Government with a complete foreign culture. I am sure he appreciates it.
not sure what you’re trying to say here, many Europeans and USians will act like they are. the ‘russian bot’ accusation is an automatic response to shut down dissenting speech that taps into that xenophobia.
I don’t blatantly accuse a person of being a bot. In fact I might not have done it once in Lemmy. However it is by now an established fact that many countries use bots to stoke extremism in far right, spread disinformation and meddle in foreign elections/referendums; Russian government spearheading it and countries like US, Israel, Turkey in close pursuit. So fuck all those power hungry leeches who would kill half the world to live forever and see no problem in fucking up the world with right wing extremism. I hope they die suffocating in their own shit. That is what I am trying to say.
If you’re not familiar with where this image came from, here’s the White Ninja archive. One of the most insanely great webcomics ever.
