• Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    That’s why we get a “co- pilot”. button? And that’s they’re answer? I hope beyond hope that AI kills them.

  • Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    In a way. I’m in the processing of switching over to Linux cos I’m just fucking sick of Microsoft and I know many, many others are way ahead of me

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      3 months ago

      Not reading that he thinks AI is a good thing, just that MS may get out-competed on that front, and that’s a legitimate concern. That’s why all these tech giants are all-in on AI. They know damned well the bubble will pop. They’re gambling on being the last man standing.

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      3 months ago

      i agree. microsoft still has a stupid amount of money printers spread out across multiple different parts of the tech industry. it seems unlikely that missing out on “AI” will be the death of the company.

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      3 months ago

      I will say this - I suck at coding. I’ve spent years taking courses, learning basics over and over, only to be novice level at best. I can read code and KIND OF understand what it is doing, but writing it? Absolute dogshit.

      LLMs have not raised my skill level in coding from a 15/100 to anything higher. It has, however, made it easier to generate code I want, can review, and use. It writes it at maybe 40/100, which is better than me. That’s the only thing it’s good at.

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        3 months ago

        If you’re going to use it, use it to it’s fullest.

        after it generates, aske it specifically what things do, ask it to go over the code and explain it’s decisions line by line.

        ask it to teach you how to do what it just did.

        It’s not the best code in the world, but for simple stuff it generates servicable code and can explain everything it all to you at a level to which you can understand.

        best part, if you ask it and you still don’t understand you can keep asking it and it’ll work with you as long as it takes to get the point across.

      • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        That’s not your fault! You aren’t bad at coding, and you aren’t bad at learning. Coding courses and tutorials are almost never assembled by anyone with any familiarity with pedagogy and they are famously bad at teaching. Tutorial hell is everyone’s experience.

        If you actually want to learn, like any craft, time with your hands on the tools trying to make things is number 1. Literacy and familarity with jargon will help a lot as nothing is ever as useful as just reading the documentation and that is always dogshit.

        Find a space you want to play in, like simple robots, maths puzzles, sound synthesis, simple games (godot is great for giving immediate visual feedback if you’re still trying to learn the basics), embedded systems/iot devices whatever. Then set yourself simple goals, first tweaking prior art and then building your own stuff. As you gain familarity work through a good textbook like The Art of Programming or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_and_Interpretation_of_Computer_Programs to get some ideas of the higher principles.

        And stop doing tutorials, you will learn nothing. You need to study principles not practices, practices can only really be learned through independent practise.

        I believe you can do it! and doing it yourself is really rewarding and playful. Don’t de-skill yourself and become dependent on a bunch of creepy fascist billionaires. Learning is a skill all skills can be improved to basic competence if you are sufficiently motivated.

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        Im a little bit the same. But I have more desire to keep learning the hard way than to use shortcuts. Using it as a learning tool is fine I guess. I just feel sick any time I use it and its not all that helpful vs finding something from a web search. Plus, its often wrong and teaches bad habits soo yeah.

        Im always wanting to take the hard road though. I feel gross taking shortcuts on any task.

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    3 months ago

    Various anti-trust commissions could have broken them up, but always fell short of that. Now they’re too big to fail, but still trying as hard as they can to do so anyway.

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    3 months ago

    Oh yay, Nadella has picked up Altman’s grift now.

    If we don’t build it, the bad guys will! If anyome builds it, it will destroy everything! You should give us money to solve the problem we made up to make our tools sound cooler, and that we directly profit from perpetuating!

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    3 months ago

    AI and robotics is going to destroy many established companies in the same way the Internet did. Some will adapt, but most will simply have run their course. Microsoft is the GE or this era. Will still be around in a decade or two, but once AGI has been achieved, who needs a software company when you own AI agent could literally develop your own OS and productivity apps tailored exactly to your needs.

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        2 months ago

        I am unsure myself. I am fairly certain that if all other current AI metrics were the same, but logic was significantly better, we would have the start of AGI now. Logic however seems to have been the one metric that did not show much improvement when training sets and compute scaled up. The AI industry is clearly avoiding talking about this massive issue in a meaningful way (some are of course), but you better believe this is the focus area right now as the first to crack will have an instant advantage. Will it be cracked and if so when? No one knows. Could be any day now, could be 10 years + or maybe we discover there is a hard cognitive valley that will be extremely hard to cross.

        Given how many companies, small teams and even individuals are trying to crack logic, I suspect we will have some progress in the years to come. If not, AI, and even robots will never really rise to the potential we are expecting.

        If logic is not cracked, a lot of people are going to loose a lot of money as the ROI is just not there with the current state of AI. Sure, AI is not going anywhere as it has its use cases in its current form, but the errors inherent in the current tech will hold it back in a big way.

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      Lmfao. Microsoft will be destroyed for embracing this idiocy. Not because they didn’t.

      AI in it’s current state is a farce. A limited tool with limited uses. It is not the answer. It cannot cannot create anything it hasn’t already been fed. It cannot conceptualize, it cannot ponder, it cannot wonder, it cannot innovate and it cannot and will not ever replace the human spirit.

      Trying to do anything with this experimental under researched area of computer science is a braindead move and you deserve your company to die for trying to rely on it.

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        I do not disagree with this possibility, but the one I presented is also possible along with many other possible paths, some unknown. There is even a non zero chance MS gets even bigger and ends up running the world. We just do not know as we do not really know where and when the next AI breakthrough will happen. No one knows.

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    3 months ago

    I guess his hands are just tied on this one, the scary AI gnomes are literally pointing guns at his children as we speak

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    3 months ago

    This is less of a Fuck AI post, and more of a WTF is MSFT strategy reply.

    OpenAI does not actually have that good of models, definitely poor value models, and a strategy depending on skynet contract from US military, which means having the absolute largest most trained most expensive model. MSFT has hedged its bets on decent alternative US model Antropic. But open source models, many from China, have genuine technical advances that make smaller (or larger) models that can be run within enterprise, or just you recent PC, viable competition.

    MSFT cannot possibly make money by repackaging paid models from other providers that offer direct access. Just because copilot is in your OS and your office suite, does not mean there aren’t great alternatives that cost less, If MSFT ever made profit from its outsourced AI bunding, surely its own partners would make better offers to you for you to use them directly. LLM access still has massive free access options.

    The US datacenter business is also massively energy constrained, with current administration only permitting expensive dead ender energy solutions, the moral of the story being datacenters being extra expensive. Local (smaller than openAI) LLMs in US will face similar electricity scarcity, but globally, local LLMs will prevail. MSFT being NSA/military/empire allies further prevents them from offering value to people/enterprise, and incapable of serving foreign markets.

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    Hopefully it leaves the building alone. C’mon AI! We used to be friends!

    But you know what teams said about you? Oh teams said you suck and you couldn’t possibly turn teams into Macintosh HyperCard.