this dint start until conservatives,right wing groups started pushing the anti-trans narrative. which was pretty recent, like within 5-10years. nobody gave a poop about it til trumps 1st term. Now everyone is either afraid, or freaks out over names that should be ONE sex or the other, or gendered, plus this also applies to characther names in movies and shows. there was one trek show that made it forced and wierd, like that is making statement.
It is pretty arbitrary which names we consider masculine and which names we consider feminine. On Big Brother Canada, there was a man named Hope. A man named Ashley works as a writer for Marvel Studios.
Ashley used to primarily be a mans name
Ash from Evil Dead is a certified badass.
My wife knows my celebrity man crush is Bruce Campbell
And we cannot forget one of the best comedy actors of all time, Leslie Neilson
Who also has astonishing range, too. He was a serious actor before Airplane. Since halloween is coming up, watch the 1982 movie Creepshow. There was a short with him in it (it is an anthology) and he very convincingly plays a murderous wealthy Creep.
All businesses choose a fake name to suit their identity. All business managers choose job titles to suit their identity.
Those who have a problem with transgender people are arrogant egotistical full-of-themselves narcicists who see others as lower class animals that exist only to be managed.
What about people who have a problem with society moving quicker than science or medicine allows?
What is it about the trans community and talking in absolutes so often? I would think that trans people would be a more skeptical bunch but they are the ones banning people for asking clarifying questions on platforms like lemmy.
What do you mean by society moving quicker than science? Transgender people have existed before most scientific advancements. They existed in ancient Greece, they exist in Norse Mythology… They were persecuted in several government systems in the past such as Germany, they have always been here. It’s just that social media and the Internet brings more information to people than ever before. So instead of never having met a trans person in your life more people are being introduced to them than ever before. Which also means some people who may have never understood what was going on with themselves and why they felt so different than the boxes society around them was placing them into. I know I’m a guy, I was born one and have always been one. If you look at Women’s athletics, say the Olympics you will see many women that have naturally occuring high levels of testosterone that may be higher than your average male. You will also find men who have extremely low testosterone. So scientifically I see it as a blend that the hormones in our bodies have naturally created showing that what we define as man, and woman doesn’t encompass everything. Only when we try to put someone in a group do we start to think that there is something abnormal about a person having higher or lower testosterone. Then you can get into the facet of sexual parts. 1.7/100 people are born with intersexual traits. If we say a person has to be a man or a woman, then there is a 1.7% chance a person doesn’t fit into either box at birth. I see no reason that person shouldnt be able to live a happy life, not be treated the same as everyone else around them.
I’m not a trans person, I am not well educated on all of it because it isn’t something I had to educate myself on. But using that number there, scientifically there were 5.78 million people in the U.S. that were born outside the box of Man or Woman. To put that into perspective, 28 of the 50 states have less people in them, than the number of people born with intersex traits.
So when someone downplays them and acts like they shouldn’t exist, maybe it’s easier to look at it as saying all of a U.S. state shouldn’t exist simply because they were born there.
Note: most of this was focused on intersex, not gender… but I think it helps open the mind to understanding the world isn’t as man/woman as we often think of it.
I’m talking about whether we are actually helping trans people with science and medicine or not. We have moved too quickly and assumed too much and caused problems before. I know trans people exist, I dont know why everyone’s convinced the science is settled on how to make them happy and healthy though.
Try and bring up any negative side effects or analyze the risks of a procedure and trans people online take that as an attack against their whole community. I dont think trans people realize they are offending people who want to help them.
Damn, never thought about the fake ass job titles lol. I don’t even care what mine is. Good point. It’s all made up bullshit like country borders, people killing each other stepping over an invisible line.
I’ve never encountered or noticed this problem that you mention.
I can’t even see an issue with choosing a name that suits their gender, whatever that may be…
Is this really such a big deal irl?
Is this really such a big deal irl?
It is to the fascists.
Not really.
The people who have an issue with that, don’t have an issue with Rafael Cruz making up a white name.
They just don’t like people transitioning.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
I have an issue with Raphael Cruz making up a white name.
The people who have an issue with that, don’t have an issue with Rafael Cruz making up a white name.
Nobody is mad at Ted for changing his name. Folks are mad at him for pulling the rope up now that his family is here “legally”, then trying to white wash his identity so you don’t question him on it.
You’re implying transphobia is a common view.
It absolutely is. And it used to be a lot worse. Took a lot of people coming out at risk of their lives and livelihoods before we reached even this level of support for transgender civil rights.
I feel silly now for not realizing that was a stage name.
I straight up thought her actual name was “Whoopi”.
About every actor or actress you’ve ever heard of is using a stage name. I forget the rules, but the name has to be unique, never used before. Acting guild thing? I forget.
Change your name to make yourself more palatable to a wider audience? Good.
Change your name to make yourself more palatable for yourself? Bad, apparently.
Pen names are ancient, too. Mark Twain? Real name is Samuel Clements. Charles Dickens used the pen name Boz for some reason, and Stephen King used multiple pen names, especially early in his career.
Uh, Boz was the illustrator for Dickens.
I was mistaken. Thank you for your correction.
And still affects no one. People bitching about stuff that has literally nothing to do with them, worrying about everyone else’s genitals.
That’s the problem.
Gender change is a premium feature, how dare ypu, peasant!
Not a gender-identity thing, but I met my best friend when I was 12. We didnt have any classes together so I never heard his name called out in the register.
Wasn’t until we were having a drink at 18 that I realised I didnt actually know his real name.
This one is a hard one, as a cis-gender male, I don’t go by my real name. If someone calls me by my birth name I wouldn’t even know they were referring to me.
I think its more to do with gender rather than names, that and the will to be cruel, of course.
Yeah, I go by my middle name and nobody thinks it’s weird.
The only people that call me by my middle name are my… estranged family. So its sort of an insult in a way. Weird how that works out.
I get it. There’s a nickname only my estranged family uses.
Honestly, I’d rather go by ‘Malcronax the Ultimate Destroyer’ but Harvey works well in most cases. That’s what most call me.
I was only ok with the fake name of Guynan.
Whoopi suck. Guyana, helped picard saved humanity.
Ugh this is all wrong. It’s GUINAN. :)
Guyuna is also the name of a country and region with slight spelling differences.
chooses a name
Whoopi
Gotta hand it to her, it’s done wonders for recognition. No one’s mistaking the name.
Does it ever make you think that when her parents were having sex that one fateful night, they would later be able to look back upon it and say that they were making Whoopi?
I recently learned that Charlie Sheen’s birth name is Carlos Irwin Estévez.
Stage names are common for marketing something catchy. Book author aliases too.
JK Rowling used her initials because the publisher thought the books would sell better under a less feminine name. She now uses an even more masculine pen name for her detective novels. There’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but it’s kind of hypocritical given her outspoken anti-trans viewpoints.
She now uses an even more masculine pen name for her detective novels.
Hilarious that a TERF is using a masculine pen name for her book sales.
People should start calling her Book Trans or something and call her the fuck out
Robert Galbraith Heath (May 9, 1915 – September 21, 1999) was an American psychiatrist.[1][2] He followed the theory of biological psychiatry, which holds that organic defects are the sole source of mental illness
Indeed, he has been cited as the first, or one of the first, researcher(s) to have placed electrodes deep into the brains of living human patients.[15][1] It has been suggested that this work was financed in part by the government, particularly the CIA or U.S. military.[16][17][18]
In 1972, he attempted using DBS to change a homosexual man to heterosexuality, which caused temporary arousal, but did not lead to long term change in attractions.[19] Heath also experimented with psychosurgery, the drug bulbocapnine to induce stupor, and LSD,[20][21][22] using African-American prisoners in the Louisiana State Penitentiary as experimental subjects.[23] He worked on schizophrenia patients, which he regarded as an illness with a physical basis.[24] Today Heath’s work is considered highly controversial and is only rarely used as reference material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath
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Yep, he adopted the stage name of his father, Martin Sheen (Ramón Gerard Antonio Estévez).
Everyone always forgets the brother who kept his name, Emilio Estevez.
I remeber when the first Mighty Ducks movie came out, I thought the main dude was Charlie Sheen.
Related American Dad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAn4aO3EKrY
LOL! Emilioooooooo!
The main difference is that nobody considers referring to Whoopi Goldberg as Caryn Elaine Johnson a hate crime.
I don’t think anyone considers calling someone by another name a crime, it’s just considered rude and non professional/business like. If I went into work and called someone I didn’t like by another random name all the time until the point it was making them feel uncomfortable, HR would come ask me to stop creating a less than ideal work environment and making my coworkers uncomfortable. If I refused to do so, I would expect the HR department to end my employment for that company. None of it is a hate crime, but people have a right to exist and be not be treated in a way you wouldn’t treat others.
I think the issue is people getting hung up on the gender identity, not the name. I have known lots of people who go by preferred names, whether chosen themselves or given to them by friends as nicknames. Hell, there are a few people I knew for years only by their preferred name/nickname without realizing it wasn’t their given name.
And stage names make a lot of sense from a practical standpoint. Being famous by your given name can make it hard to separate professional life from personal life.
100% agree. If whoopi goldberg had chose their name for gender purposes, i could see them getting hate and being told it’s a stupid reason etc.
Don’t know if it’s the case in her situation, but there’s also the thing with stage names where Guild rules require names to be unique. Like Michael J. Fox’s middle name is actually Andrew. There was already a Michael Fox on the books so couldn’t use that, Andrew or Andy Fox didn’t feel right, and Michael A. Fox felt presumptuous (Michael, a fox. Fox having recently come into play as a synonym for attractive) or Canadian (Michael Eh? Fox)
This is why in The Simpson you will see David S. Cohen and in Futurama he is David X. Cohen. I think in a Futurama commentary he told about confusion in a guild or royalty payments that made him change how he was credited.
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