• D_C@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    32·
    2 个月前

    Ok, when is this planning and organising going to start to happen?
    How about sharing these plans so others can see what will happen?

    Will these thing happen before tRUMP declares martial law and stops any more elections, or after?
    If after, then will it be before he dies of the inevitable obesity induced heart attack, or after?

    …it’s going to be after he’s dead, isn’t it?

    • zululove@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11·
      2 个月前

      Bro everybody is organizing have u not seen the protest everywhere we just had a no kings protest was millions involved what does that require well organization my friend

    • ThunderQueen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      2 个月前

      Have you comitted to the US General Strike? Have you joined your local SRA? Do you know the trades and skills of your neighbors? Do they know yours?

      Maybe start there.

      Edit: removed “next year” as they dont seem to have a set date until they are closer to the commitment goal. I must have been misinformed.

      https://generalstrikeus.com/

      • D_C@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        2 个月前

        I have done nothing. I’m just not committed… I’m also not american, and don’t want to be. Hell I don’t even live on that continent. Nor want to.

        I just hate the orange buffoon intensely, and want him to face some serious consequences once in his life. Just fucking once!!

        • ThunderQueen@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          2 个月前

          Then you should be asking your representatives to divest from America. Or at the very least, you should yourself; maybe also convince family/friends to join you.

    • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      2 个月前

      best i can give you is fuck ICE and fuck Israel.

      “support the terrorist state currently in the process of 100%ing a genocide” what the hell

        • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          2 个月前

          who are you

          edit: I guess same person, in that case, fair enough but the comment reads like a suggestion just fyi

            • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.caEnglish
              2·
              2 个月前

              It’s a troll named Antiyanks. They’ve been making accounts and getting banned for over a year now, with over a thousand accounts by now. Any new account from an instance with open signups that has an obsession with Israel and/or attacking anyone they consider “Western” can be safely reported, ridiculed and blocked as it’s nearly guaranteed to just be this one nutjob. They’ve “declared war” on Lemmy because they got banned too much and they took it personally.

  • iloveDigit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    191·
    2 个月前

    Arming yourself and organizing are both good. You probably don’t have to wait until you’ve found people to organize with before arming yourself in the US. It’s good to have a way to defend your home during a Nazi uprising

  • v_krishna@lemmy.mlEnglish
    11·
    2 个月前

    In case you haven’t seen, https://crimethinc.com/zines/calvin-and-hobbes-guide-to-daily-life

    Spent a great summer in the early 2000s hustling through the east coast on Phil & Friends + Gordon Russo Anastasio Benevento tour selling/trading/giving away these. I had a whole external frame backpack full of them and no other money, managed most of the tour and hopefully helped make a few more subversives.

  • Boozilla@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    352·
    2 个月前

    Lots of, uh, interesting comments here. My 2-cents worth of advice:

    1. Be highly suspicious of arguments that are essentially punching down on workers, all Americans, common people being lazy, stupid, etc. It’s class warfare (always has been) and the enemy are the oligarchs, not your fellow working class people.

    2. Calls to violence this early are pathetic. The non-violent activism is working and it’s only just barely even started. Calls to violence are from meatheads with zero patience (and likely zero understanding of how horrible that outcome will be for everyone involved).

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      2 个月前

      The #2 will stay behind their keyboards when TSHTF and then smugly criticize whatever failures of the actions, peaceful or violent, of those who actually took the risk and effort.

    • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      2 个月前

      Plus on your number 2 point: a LOT of the meathead types are just keyboard warriors with testosterone hard-ons trying to act like mister badass like it’s a flex. The crew of ‘Oh I wish they would try this shit at my house’ and the like, as if they aren’t some dude that would get absolutely put in the ground in 4 seconds or become a free loot drop if shit did pop off.

    • PugJesus@piefed.socialEnglish
      253·
      2 个月前

      Not the good kind of group project, where the others fuck off and let you handle everything. The bad kind of group project, where everyone wants their input to be validated as super-special and important even if it ruins the entire endeavor.

      • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 个月前

        Exactly. If I could just do the revolution it would be done by now. But noooo, we need to hear everybody and agree on everything even Jeff’s stupid idea that somehow got popular.

  • PugJesus@piefed.socialEnglish
    251·
    2 个月前

    Incredible use of the comic, I remember my mother having to explain this one to me when I was young and flipping through my Calvin and Hobbes books.

  • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
    134·
    2 个月前

    I don’t think leftists are telling you to revolt before organizing. That doesn’t make any damn sense. The organizing part is prep for revolution when it finally happens. No communist is telling you to take adventurist action.

      • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
        123·
        2 个月前

        Look I spend a lot of time with hexbears, they are the most vocal communists on lemmy and none of them are saying this. Perhaps you have simply misunderstood them. I’ve literally never seen anyone suggest we are ready for revolution and should do one right now in a serious manner.

            • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
              53·
              2 个月前

              I don’t have to strain too hard, my wife is a brown immigrant and I recently armed myself for that exact scenario. That’s not the same as just taking to the streets in a half assed, unplanned spontaneous “revolution”.

                • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
                  31·
                  2 个月前

                  You’re free to believe what you want, but I’ve had this conversation at least a dozen times. Yes I’ve engaged sincerely, yes I confirmed that that was precisely what they were saying. Your lack of belief does not a strawman make.

          • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
            94·
            2 个月前

            Have you ever spoke with them in good faith and asked what they mean and if they seriously believe revolution is possible under the current material conditions of the US empire? I am sure you can find someone who might say yes to this but it is in no way close to the consensus. I’ve personally never encountered it

              • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
                84·
                2 个月前

                It certainly depicts it as a norm which is where I found disagreement and honestly anyone advocating for that should be talked to and educated instead of shamed through vague posting.

                • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
                  56·
                  2 个月前

                  Not really? It just says “the leftists I met online”, that’s a sample not consensus

                  And I’ve tried talking and educating, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. And this post isn’t for them, it’s for the Calvins out there.

  • MotoAsh@piefed.socialEnglish
    453·
    2 个月前

    How does organizing start? It’s not by people politely discussing things and making a cordial agreement to go against their own freaking government… People need to be fired up enough to want to act in such dangerous ways in the first place.

    I’d bet people saying to, “grab your guns” aren’t flippantly saying, “yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don’t like!” They’re making a general plea for people to get ready for such actual, real world organizing and effort.

    This kind of flippant dismissal does less than nothing to help people organize.

    • toomanypancakes@piefed.worldEnglish
      83·
      2 个月前

      No, there are some users on here that try to agitate people into suicide by cop. Not many, but a couple. It’s pretty wild.

    • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      205·
      2 个月前

      Sadly I know plenty of tankies who do literally meant that, and get disappointed when people don’t.

      Heck the Socialist Party of the USA Chapter I was in was lead by a guy who called Bernie Sanders a phony because he, get this, did not advocate for violence against the police… He was completely serious to and basically told everyone we were fake leftists if we voted for him in the primaries.

      Guy was an absolute clown, he kicked me out when I refused to support a transphobic green party candidate who advocated for curing autism with crystals. See cause “Crystals” are “Chinese Medicine”, and “China’s literally incapable of doing anything wrong.”

      Because that makes sense

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
      2710·
      2 个月前

      I’d bet people saying to, “grab your guns” aren’t flippantly saying, “yea, go march out in to the streets by yourself and start popping off at things you don’t like!”

      You must be pretty new to Lemmy.

      • MotoAsh@piefed.socialEnglish
        918·
        2 个月前

        You must be pretty new to the internet if you’re taking what they say literally. They want you to be upset enough to do it, not to literally do it this second.

        At least the non-trolls, which again… Welcome to the internet.

  • niktemadur@lemmy.worldEnglish
    61·
    2 个月前

    And there’s probably a large overlap between those random internet provocateurs, and the same assholes who stoked the ignorant and self-destructive election year trends of bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe

    Supposed “Bernie Bros” who sometimes slipped their act, like referring to a Gulf Of Mexico city as “a warm water port”, a distinction that can ONLY be in the mind of some shit russian in some shit iced-in port for the winter, getting paid in vodka and meth/kokodrill wages by the kremlin to poison minds and democracies online.

    • Wilco@lemmy.zipEnglish
      41·
      2 个月前

      Warm water port? There is no way someone from the US would say that … most US citizens think the ocean is all the same temperature.

    • yogurt@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 个月前

      Supposed “Bernie Bros” who sometimes slipped their act, like referring to a Gulf Of Mexico city as “a warm water port”

      That was a Texas republican that wanted Texas to secede, not a bernie bro or a Russian. He just heard somebody say you can’t be a superpower without a warm water port and thought that meant Texas is a superpower because it’s warm in Galveston.