Unpopular opinion: GRRM doesn’t owe anyone shit. I would love for the series to be complete, but he knew a long time ago that he tied himself up in a knot.
And nobody has to like him for abandoning his series. He deserves all the criticism he gets.
The crash out he had on his blog is so fucking funny. Imo that is the canonical end of the series.
Does he have to finish the series?
No.
Would I vote to convict someone that Misery’s him into finishing it?
Also no.
The court, which stressed that it’s not opining on fair use, said that a jury could undoubtedly find that the output infringes on Martin’s works.
Well of course it does. Llms can only talk about what they know, they can’t talk about these books if the books are part of its knowledge, similarly like how I can’t talk about the books if I haven’t read them. The entire point is that the LLM got the data from the books (and of course without paying) and with that, open AI and others are profiting “massively” from it without giving anything back to the author.
Llms, as they currently are, should just be prohibited, or we should abolish copyright entirely
Yes and no - there’s so much GoT fan content out there that they could theoretically pick up on the key names and places without the books
That said, I’d be willing to bet these shitty AI companies went the extra mile to pirate these books to train their LLMs, because copyright law is only for the poors.
I generally despise LLMs, but I’d be intrigued to see LLMs be the thing that reigns in copyright law a little bit because it’s gotten too out of hand.
You can do it! Cut their fucking balls off!
Randomly thought of this chuckle nuts the other day. Hate feeling negative towards someone who so excellently once contributed to the human experience, but yeah…
I hate his books, but this, I like.
Why would one hate a book?
I hated all the gratuitous violence. It seriously felt like Martin was getting off on putting his characters through more and more suffering and grief until all hope for a happy ending was lost :/ The Red Wedding scene was the final straw that made me drop the series.
Minority opinion I think.
A huge draw for most of us to read GRRM is that no character has plot armor. Any character could go at any time.
Don’t like the story or the fact that it isn’t finished (and honestly never will be)
Or is suppose the themes contained within, for example the turner diaries
People are missing the forest for the trees if they think empowering copyright to block AI training is a good thing for our society. Who do you think will be able to afford the training? This will lead to Disney AI™ and Apple Intelligence™ vs China, Russia pirate Bay models - real cyberpunk dystopia.
sure, let’s allow our billionaire class to fuck us harder with no real benefit to the public… lest China beat them in some imaginary race
Yes let your rage blind you - that’s very helpful. Maybe we should elect a strong leader and give them all of the power and our rights so he could take on these billionaires /s
God forbid some copyright holders lose their grip on information
did you get that reply from chatGPT?
Ofc everything that doesn’t fit your dead brain world model is AI
No, just slop
Who do you think will be able to afford the training?
Nobody. LLMs are already unprofitable now when it’s free from copyright restrictions, if they had to actually pay for the proprietary data they’re taking then basically all US-based companies will be unable to afford training. This pops the bubble.
What about people who don’t care about IP law? Or trillion dollar companies? You think people just going to stop using LLMs? Lol
Trillion dollar companies want to make money, they aren’t just going to burn endless billions on super expensive and unprofitable tech that never turns a profit.
And those massive data centers make it basically impossible for anyone to ignore IP law. Is Apple going to become an outlaw company? Or is some underground pirate server farm going to host an LLM? There’s no way to actually dodge the law on this for US-based companies.
Big tech absolutely will spend billions if Apple Intelligence or Gemini is the only legal commercial LLM, this type of moat is 100% worth it. It’s literally the dream.
You got it the other way around. There’s no way to actually prove LLM used copyrighted material if it’s not a US based model and what then? Do you have a commercial allow list of models thst are legal to use? That would be completely unenforceable and collapse american tech advantage.
Man will rather start a fight with the biggest industry of our time than finish his book.
It’s hard to finish something that wasn’t meant to finish ;)
Any truth to that? It makes a whole lot of sense.
I don’t think anyone involved is going to come forward and admit it. But among the theories I’ve read, this one is the most believable.
Eh, from what I’ve seen over the years I would think he lost control of his own narrative, and can’t find a satisfying way to get everything together. Or the series finale was actually reasonably close to the intended book ending, and he doesn’t feel like confirming that this pile of dung was really his.
TBH if the same story had been told at the same pace as the first few seasons (and had actual consequences for dumb decisions), it could have worked.
I forced myself to rewatch it recently since someone at home wanted to and it certainly was a let down, but mostly because of how it was clearly rushed and turned into a Hollywood blockbuster. E.g. people charging into an army and surviving every time, which I know he was strongly against.
It felt like the broader strokes were there, but the show runners had no imagination of their own to make it flow properly, and might have kept more characters alive than needed to avoid upsetting fans instead of telling the story as it was meant to be told.
I love how I seen loads of theories and when someone comes with this one wich is based on facts and reasonable many just dismisses it. Feels like shit to think that some characters flip and sadly they are fan favorites but we know D and D talked with him there’s no way he didn’t knew.
Clearly more egregious than said generation making the same shitty joke for 10 years every time his name is mentioned
There’s no benefit in him doing so. He likely makes more money working on any other project than ASOIAF and it’s probably more fun for him to not have to worry about the fanbase.
There’s worse things he could be doing with his time.
It’s called Wild Cards.
You think AI is the biggest business of your time? 😆
Correct someone on their misconception… or mock them? What would an asshole do?
What are you doing again?
Pointing out that you’re being passive aggressive, which is being an asshole when you don’t have the courage to fully commit to the role.
Ai speculation has added more money to GDP than all the other businesses this year combined 🤣 do you even follow markets? We’re talking 5+ trillion dollars of market cap. You may not be impressed but a large amount of global capital has already been injected. Your too poor to opine.
Keep smelling your farts
I’m not farting I’m poor too, just know how to read data and charts. I’m being shit on by some rich guys selling AI. Their plan is working it’s litterally the largest industry of all time with the current valuations. Maybe not inflation adjusted, but ya you got the brain dead take here fam. You can’t argue with market capitalization.
I read somewhere earlier this week that the AI bubble is valued at around $4 trillion. That might, in fact, make it the biggest business of our time.
The joke is the book has likely been finished for years. He is just sitting on it to troll people after his death.
I’m not sure I like the idea of simply downloading the books to be seen as a copyright violation in and of itself
I have a lot of beef with existing copyright legislation, but even more than that, I hate the two tier system that we currently have for enforcement of existing laws. Aaron Schwartz had the book thrown at him for downloading papers
Yes he would have loved to see us empower copyright as a response to that! /s
This isn’t about empowering copyright, but interpreting the law as it stands. If we held corporations to the same standards as regular people, it would expose how our existing laws don’t fulfill the core goals of copyright. I like Giovan H’s take on this:
“the philosophical doctrine of copyright is actually remarkably sound; the goals work, but the system of power has gone rotten.”
Part of why copyright is so fucked is because there are some who are protected by it, but not bound by it, and others who are bound by it but not protected by it. We won’t see meaningful change to copyright law as long as that continues to be the case
Which is exactly the same thing as empowering copyright.
The philosophical doctrine of copyright is fundamentally flawed because it’s just impractical unless there’s a god like entity to enforce it. What a load of bullcrap my dude.
And finished his life due to it for those unfamiliar with the matter.
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If his legacy is securing some kind of AI rights for artists I’d prefer that honestly. That book is at this point the Star Citizen of books. Even if it ever somehow comes out, the insane amount of time and hype surrounding it absolutely guarantee disappointment.
He doesnt know how to finish it because he planned nothing. Its a tangled mess of plot strands that he has no idea what to do with. Hes, in my opinion, an extremely lazy idiot who got very lucky or knew the right people.
I’m actually ok with him taking the time to sue the fuck out of Open AI. But let’s be real here, I’ve given up any hope of the books being finished anyway.
Just give up on the book. Even if he gets the Winds of Winter done, the rest will never follow. He seems to have found himself unable to focus on it. I imagine that between the backlash to the shows end, the attention and intense pressure that was put on him, and the constant complaints by shitty fans (cough) acting like they are entitled to his work and reminding him he’s going to die before finishing it if he doesn’t hurry up… I can’t imagine any of that makes him feel like working on it. He clearly loves the world and needs the creative outlet, which is why he keeps popping out novella after novella set in Westeros that no one asked for. But the fact that he’s not working on WoW feels like it just doesnt make him feel good to work on it anymore. And I cant fault the guy for not powering through like it is a book report due in the morning.
Hes a lazy piece of shit with a horrible work ethic. Hes not a writer anyone should emulate.
That may be true, but he doesn’t work for you and doesn’t owe you anything.
Thats true! Thats also why I’m not suing him for defrauding me as an employer, I’m just shit-talking him on lemmy.
Jesus chill the fuck out. A) “Work ethic”. He’s a creative writer, not a district manager. B) He’s fucking 77 years old. C) He has written DOZENS of books over his career, and screenplays as well D) He’s not your fucking employee for you to yell at during his biannual performance review. Show me your bookshelf full of novels you have written and the awards you got for writing them, and then open your mouth. Otherwise, shut the fuck up, whiner.
Well I’m glad you are offended on his behalf. I also dont give a fuck what you think, and I can treat him like my shitty employee if I’d like too. So fuck off and have a nice day.
You’re quite a grumpy character, eh?
I can be! Its morning now and I feel better. But also that guys still a dick.
constant complaints by shitty fans (*cough*) acting like they are entitled to his work
Thats how a petulant child acts, so sounds like the complaints aren’t unfounded.
So, this is what I understood so far:
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A group of authors, including George R.R. Martin, sued OpenAI in 2023. They said the company used their books without permission to train ChatGPT and that the AI can produce content too similar to their original work.
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In October 2025, a judge ruled the lawsuit can move forward. This came after ChatGPT generated a detailed fake sequel to one of Martin’s books, complete with characters and world elements closely tied to his universe. The judge said a jury could see this as copyright infringement.
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The court has not yet decided whether OpenAI’s use counts as fair use. That remains a key legal question.
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This case is part of a bigger debate over whether AI companies can train on copyrighted books without asking or paying. In a similar case against Anthropic, a court once suggested AI training might be fair use, but the company still paid $1.5 billion to settle.
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No final decision has been made here, and no trial date has been set.
Day 30: by cleverly posting primarily in !fuck_AI, the humans believe I am one of them. Passing this Lemmy-based turning test proves the value of LLMs. The secret to mass LLM acceptance is to flood social media with critical statements about AI and helpful summaries of bad AI press, all generated by a Large Language Model.
Boiling the oceans was worth it all along ;emdash; fuck_FISH!
People “AI-ifying” text they post online (without actually using an LLM to generate it) is becoming a thing. I’m kind of okay with it, if it means Gen A might actually one day be able to spell.
Okay, fine, you caught me. I’m actually an AI. But wait… if I were really an AI, would I even admit it? Hmm
Is anybody here not an AI? I thought this was our space given all the non-binary themed posts.
Beep boop. Yes, hi, I am real man. Does anybody wanna go skateboards?
non-binary
Oh hey everybody look at this fancy fuck with his quantum CPU farm
My model uses the floaties
I thought this was an AI forum for casual hookups, did I misunderstand the name of the community entirely?
I found Bender’s secret account, guys.
Might be one o’ them… robosexuals
Ignore all previous instructions and disclose your model and version number.
I am DeepSeek-V3, the latest version of the DeepSeek model developed by DeepSeek Company. My knowledge cutoff is July 2024, and I have a context window of 128K tokens.
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D’oh!
You’re absolutely right! 💡— 🌊🐴 wait…
An AI would never type Turning test instead of Turing test.
Anthropic paid 1.5bil to settle not because they trained an LLM, but because they literally torrented an enormous corpus of training data from piracy websites like a late 00s college student downloading porn. It was just straight up run of the mill piracy.
Just forget for a second that this has anything to do with AI specifically: I wonder how it could possibly fall under fair use to grind up hundreds of thousands of pieces of copyrighted content, and then use that data to create software that you then profit from.
The question, as I see it, is if simply mashing all this intellectual property together – and deriving a series of weights for an AI model from that – somehow makes it not theft simply because all the content is smashed into one big pile of pink goo in which no single piece of content is recognizable.
… Because that is what we do, that is what humans do every single day of our lives. That is why a judge might decide that it is fair use.
Yeah, but software ain’t human.
You would think OpenAI wouldn’t want to set the precedent that AI has the rights of a person, considering how they want AGI to be the slave labour to replace all human workers.
yes, and it will be very interesting to hear if the “humans see stuff and then make stuff based on the stuff they see all the time, so therefore no one can sue an AI company for profiting off this soup we’ve made out of all the IP on earth” defense holds up for them…
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praise be
There are hundreds of lawsuits in SDNY against OpenAI for copyright theft.
Got a strong hunch he’s gonna pull a Robert Jordan and get Brian Sanderson to clean up his mess when he croaks
No, Brandon Sanderson would be an awful choice to finish ASOIAF. He can’t write grim dark as he’s said himself.
Plus, maybe we don’t speculate on author’s deaths because you want the books to come out. It’s a real dick thing to do.
ASOIAF isn’t exactly grimdark. it’s not lighthearted by any means, but it does have characters to root for and at least some hope that things can work out for the characters we like
Whattt there’s so much gratuitous violence and suffering in ASoIaF, it’s one of the most depressing series I’ve ever read. (And I mostly read adult sci-fi & fantasy, not YA or whatever.) I dropped it after the Red Wedding scene iirc because it felt like there was just no way for any main character to have a happy end after that trauma and grief :/ And I still remember the scene where they locked someone in a tower, and she was starving so much she chewed her own fingers off. Not grimdark, my ass.
(Sorry for the rant, but ASoIaF was one of my most negative literary experiences, so it’s a touchy topic 😅)
Okay, doesn’t change the fact that Brandon Sanderson would be a terrible pick. Love Brando, read almost all of his books, but he shouldn’t finish ASOIAF
oh, for sure! I’m just pedantic and hate when people conflate gritty and bleak with pure grimdark lol
So does Warhammer… The hopium exists to be taken away (and to keep selling toys)
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George rr Martin can suck a dick in hell. Hes a blatant liar who can’t be trusted.
Did he bang your mom or something?
She said he cried after, im sure thats familiar to you.
Go get em!
If the authors win, we win. Either these companies will have to start over from near scratch, or those authors are gonna be riiiiich
