Doing my morning walk through the churches in my neighborhood and there’s two old churches side by side, both rocking out, one sort of blues riffs, one a little more traditional rock. And as I often do, I stood for a moment taking it in - this is the Southern culture I think is fascinating and rich and… then I realize the blues one is now just doing a call and refrain “I don’t need no - evidence” over and over, and my dog’s like “let’s get the fuck out of here” and so we did.
But it’s cute for a second if you don’t try to focus in on it. This is how religion should be taken in, and then hustle your ass along.
I’d hedge my bets too if I knew I had mere minutes to live. I stand to lose nothing and I gain comfort at the end, regardless of whether or not I am rewarded with some kind of afterlife.
I’ve been in a situation where I thought I might well die, and this point of view flitted across my mind, as it is bound to do. Followed immediately by the certainty that this would be the most wretched, hypocritical and worthless way to spend my final moments. If I had no survival strategies to consider or ways to contact my loved ones, I’d rather spend the time looking out the window and admiring the view.
Unless you pray to the wrong entity and suddenly don’t pass the “good person test” of whatever entity judges you.
If being a good person isn’t enough and worship is a must, you got a shitty God.
Couldn’t agree more. That’s generally the philosophy I live by.
Praying is wishing, It has the same effect. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don’t. It gives us comfort, because our brains are wired like that, if we can’t get what we want, maybe some authority can give it to us by asking nicely. Expressing it soothes us. It’s like screaming HELP! when you fell down a well. It’s not aimed at anyone in particular, it’s just a cry for anyone or anything to help you, because you’re desperate.
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
Yes, and even God can’t understand what is it that they want this time.
Easy, both to be inside and outside is what cats want
Schrödinger’s cat.
No, wait…
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
Why would cats pray to themselves?
It doesn’t ever work. It just occasionally coincides with reality.
And when you’re in a life and death situation, those odds are good enough.
In some cases it does work. Believe can cause wonder healings. Not because of supernatural but because of subconscious.
Is there evidence that that’s actually what happens and not just e.g. spontaneous remission? But even if it’s true, if a drug works as well as placebo then we usually conclude that it doesn’t work.
Also, people who know that someone else is praying for them actually have worse outcomes according to one of the most comprehensive studies ever done on this.
Praying is retarded.
It’s not aimed at anyone in particular,
But a prayer is directly aimed at one thing. I understand that there are literally hundreds of Gods, but each individual would typically only target one.
Is that the same god who chose pedo Antoinette the horse dick sucking Russian traitor?
It’s a non-denominational “generic” type god.
Gnostics believe that YHWH is a lower, malevolent being that plays an antagonistic part to the Supreme Being who is unknowable
So, El? That sounds an awful lot like the Canaanite mythology that Judaism sprung from. Yahweh was just a hotheaded war & storm god in a wide pantheon headed by El.
Isn’t there one whose final words are “ruh-roh raggy?”
That was the El Faro, a ship lost with all hands due to improper maintenance and poor decisions made by the captain. Lots of sailors from Maine were aboard.
El Faro VDR Audio Transcript 8510451 ver1 0 | DocumentCloud https://share.google/ssY87GllAqZqADCuF
I hate my phone for making share.google links, but that’s the transcript, pg339 for shaggy
Either prayers don’t work, or they make god super duper angry.
Ever read the Bible? God is a sadistic, genocidal monster. He probably laughs at plane crashes.
Since final reports are usually public, someone with enough time could go check.
Are you telling me that there are public unedited black box recordings? Because that sounds like something that would not be made public.
A quick search shows that at least two Federal agencies are involved [FAA and NTSB] in any investigation. You could probably do a Freedom of Information Act search.
The usual process is to release an edited version.
I’d think that unless there was a compelling reason, like an allegation that the pilot deliberately crashed the plane, they’d respect the crews privacy.
You are correct. The public only receives written transcripts of the relevant sections of tape only. Off-topic conversations, meaning anything that is not relevant to the air accident, are not released. The audio files are not released to the public.
So the satanic government must be hiding the prayers to satan that all pilots are required to do by the satanic FAA!
And since prayer is not relevant to the air accident …
The very last words are often relevant to explaining the sequence. They are often “oh shit!” or equivalent as the ground appears in front of them. It can help tell the difference between a flight crew that knew what was going on but couldn’t fix it and one which lost situational awareness
Like the flight where the pilots got lost above Kathmandu and flew right into a cliff like driving into a wall.
(I saw an Air Disasters/Mayday/Air Crash Investigation episode about that one years ago and it really stuck with me. Recently Mentour Pilot did a good episode about it.)
I get all my air accident info from Mentour Pilot these days :)
He does such a good job. I wish he’d be a bit less clickbait-y, but I understand private equity investment means he kinda has to play the game, like many other very good YouTube channels (Veritasium springs to mind).
Only relevant sections are published, but I’m sure that’s plenty of material to draw a decent sample.
Yeah, there was a website that had all the unedited transcripts and some recordings from crashes. I don’t think I remember reading any real prayers, that’s unless you count something like “oh God, oh god” as a prayer. Mainly just a lot of swearing and a mix of panicked or resigned statements. Most are just a couple sentences long, seems like most crashes go from fine to catastrophic very quickly.
The ones who prayed to Satan were saved.
This mfer has never heard of selection bias.
What are the bets they’re in the US, and hearing about crashes mostly in the US?
Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but it’s a plurality, not a majority.
There’s a bias for everything. Maybe even one that contradicts the bias you’re precipitating. I dunno. Whatever
I dunno, seems pretty rock solid that the majority of people aren’t praying to the Christian god [edit: worldwide, which is my point], seeing as nowhere even close to a majority of people on earth are Christian.
There are all sorts of religions out there, and many who don’t believe in religion at all.
I do agree that all humans are prone to bias, that’s why it’s so important to be aware of it in order to mitigate it.
The OOP making some stupid religious claims, definitely is not aware.
Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It’s just another Tuesday
why is this being downvoted
Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There’s just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.
The comment is obviously sarcasm / a joke
Making the sarcastic statement that “we don’t hear about god saving planes at the last moment but it does happen”
That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I’m afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.
It’s because they missed the point of my comment. That it’s selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can’t be true, even if they are praying.
The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.
- I don’t even believe OOP’s premise. There might be a majority with prayers at the end but I don’t think it’s every single one.
- I think they only care about the US. It’s not selection bias but ignorance about the rest of the world.
That said, OOP’s argument wasn’t that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.
I thought about putting “/s” in my first comment but it didn’t feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.
Applying selection bias to the reply
Insert inception bwwwwaoww
Because of Poe’s Law. Sometimes I try to make my intentions obvious but sometimes I just don’t care
Did you mean Poe’s Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.
Did you mean Poe’s Law?
I meant what I said and I said Poe’s Law. I don’t understand your question.
And I didn’t mean that god selects. I meant that we only talk about those who crash. It was a thought experiment
A sarcastic thought experiment, then?
Surely if it was a miracle there’d be some supernatural residue left over. Holy ectoplasm.
The absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence
Yes, but absence of evidence isn’t evidence for anything.
It’s wild how many need to find them some scientific method.
I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I’m sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they’re only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).
Wow thats deep
Thanks.
(dunno if you’re being sarcastic)
It’s just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can’t prove a negative. It’s not anything new, and it’s not actually contributing anything. It’s a core aspect of “burden of proof”, and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.
There’s a complete absence of evidence for everything you can just make up.
I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.
But hey, no evidence of absence, right? So my claim is valid, right? And you suddenly don’t care how unlikely it is, right?
I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.
And I respect that belief
Yeah but respect isn’t proof, and you’re the one that made the assertion requiring evidence here…
And I respect that you are critical of what I said! We need critics to grow. A critical mind is a gift of God
so you didn’t know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)
so you didn’t know which god saved them either.
Neither do you.
note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement
That’s demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.
If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan’s book “YHWH divine images” chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.
Neither do you.
Yes, but importantly you can’t demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We’ll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.
That’s demonstrably false.
Er… Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.
Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.
There are also the records in countries that have vehicle registration…
Yes, a large percentage of the population is religious, that doesn’t make their religion true
Actually, I’ve seen a compilation of plane crash last recordings, and literally all of them are pilots screaming at each other to maneuver and/or cursing at the top of their lungs.
What’s hilarious is proof that religious propaganda is wrong is always extremely easy to find. Yet your dipshit demented christian grandparents or parents will regurgitate that trash non-stop anyway.
“I have no evidence for any of this but I know in my heart it’s true!”
These facts don’t align with my feelz.
“I don’t know it for a fact… I just know that it’s true”.
Sums up all major religions in one sentence.
My favourite part is how people thank God for surviving a disaster. Like, your God put you there and you’re thanking it for saving you from the disaster it put you in? Lol
They probably blame the devil for putting them in the situation.
Yeah. “This violent tornado missed my home so close! Oh thank you, god!”
Noone ever asks why their god created the tornado in the first place. Not even the neighbor whose house has been obliterated. He’s probably thanking god for being alive. It’s bizarre.
I remember seeing an SUV that had this in vinyl on their back window (paraphrased, I don’t remember the exact wording): “RIP so-and-so - God cured his suffering and took him to Heaven.”
So, God either gets credit for killing the guy, or he gets credit for saving the guy. No matter what, God comes out as the good guy!
I have no idea how people live in this mindset.
It’s purely emotional, irrational thinking, solely serves the purpose of giving a weak mind an easy way to feel better about bad things that happen.
My mind doesn’t work that way, I can’t auto suggest myself out of logic - and to me, that kind of thinking is what is fundamentally wrong about this world. It makes people susceptible to all kinds of intellectual dishonesty.
If you can lie yourself into believing obvious bullshit just because it’s comfortable, you will also be easily influenced by liars, charlatans and demagogues.
I highly doubt that people like Trump would be possible In a predominantly atheist society with people who are used to scientific scepticism.
it’s like removing the tariffs to reduce grocery prices
HiS wAyS aRe MyStErIoUs
Yeah. It’s like doctors ; they really love it when people thank God for saving a patient. Usually it’s the dumbass family but it’s really a special moment when it’s the dumbass patient themselves.
What’s our opinion on thanking God for blessing doctors with the talent to save your life/lives of others? A bit more empathetic?
(I’m not suggesting this is necessarily my belief, but for those who profess a love for God/Allah/etc, I think it is fair to both thank the creator they believe in as well as the people who work on them on earth).
“it” is crazy work lmao
It is always either “God works in mysterious ways” or “It was a test from God”.
I used to tell those types of people that gay, Trans etc was a test. Except it’s not the gay and trans people being tested. And they failed.
That’s what is called codependency
Satanic media, how old is this?
The asiana crash was in like 2016 or so?
Hail Satan!
Hail yourself
IDK. I’ve been unironically referring to LLMs as “the Devil’s machine” or simply “The Devil” lately. :D
I mean, if you use them, they do steal your soul, so it checks out.
It’s 2025, mister
You’re right! If it was today, they’d call it Woke Media.
Ok it’s funny but black box doesn’t record audio from the cabin. Pretty sure it just has like flight data. From the airplane sensors. And logs of actions. ?
That’s what satanic media wants you to think. But actually, everyone on a plane has a microphone and all the audio goes directly to the big black cube in the middle, to be recorded and stored forever.
They ask you to stow the tray if something happens because the microphone is on the underside of the tray and hears you better that way
that makes sense
That plus pilots’ mics.
“Black box” usually refers to both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder as a nebulous whole - some FDRs are also configured to record pilot mics as well but that’s not standard.
