At least in my peer group, people hated Voyager when it was running too.
There was alot to like about Voyager but they also dropped the ball alot too.
I remember people hating on DS9 and TNG as well.
Pretty much every series has had plenty of people who just hate it for not being the previous series.
Which is why I ignored people dogging on Discovery and just watched and enjoyed it, same as the rest.
(I’ll admit to being harsh on Enterprise at first, but a lot of it was that intro… Plus, it did take a while to get its feet under it)
I didn’t necessarily hate it, but it was a significant step down after DS9 and TNG.
(And to demonstrate that I am not biased against new Star Treks: I am one of the few human beings alive who loved the first season of Star Trek: Picard when it came out!)
I considered putting Janeway’s head on the character in the background here
This is exactly right. Very well done.
Lame that people care so much what other people like.
Which new show am I hating on?
(Also I liked enterprise. Just skip the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef.)(discovery. Not so much.)
the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef
The upcoming Starfleet Academy most likely.
Discovery
The good news is the last episode isn’t exactly canon. The way it was presented as a holodeck adventure, any amount of it could have been made up, and probably was.
Really, all it added to canon was that Riker was hitting up the holodeck a lot during the events of a pre-existing TNG episode.
It truly was about as terrible and insulting a send off as they could have come up with.
What do you mean chef riker. Enterprise was cancelled after season 4, episode 21 and nobody can convince me otherwise!
Episode 22 wasn’t a real episode. Some loser made a deep fake fan fiction!
I can’t say I’ve ever seen that. Partly because my friends would never attack someone for linking something, partly because I’ve never met anyone who likes Discovery.
Entreprise are exactly like the first Musk’s rockets. Full of promises but blow over after a short while
Aside from the fucking God awful theme song, I actually liked Enterprise
I actually liked the theme song tbh. Its cheesy but has a charm to it and I think it fits the “early exploration” kind of vibe they seemed to be going for with the setting and timeframe choice.
I like it, but for some reason I don’t like it as the intro.
It totally fits the theme like you say, it definitely has an uplifting hopeful tone.
But it’s just out of place in my brain, so I skip it while watching the show.
Doesn’t stop me from jamming out to it in the car.
Of all the ST series, this is the only intro I skipped. Don’t even think I heard the whole thing even once.
I didn’t like the theme song at all at first, but near the end of season 2 it finally started to grow on me.
Then they changed it and made it more poppy in season 3 and I never, ever grew to like that version, it was just awful.
That’s what blew my mind. Like there was obviously a high level conversation regarding the theme song after season 2, and the solution they settled on was ’ what if make it even gayer than it already is?’ and everyone agreed
Is that the one that goes “ITS BEEN A LONG ROOOAD”?
cuz that part, only that part, has been stuck in my head since childhood from when my dad would watch
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I don’t hate it. Why would I? These fans need to in their own language ‘touch grass’.
Enterprise wasn’t my favorite but I understand how people like it. Strange New Worlds is weird but I understand how people like it. Picard was a shitload of fan service but I understand how people like it. Lower Decks has very generic animation, but I understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
was this before or after you saw the federation indulge in CIA like antics in TNG : The pegasus, or once you saw sisko violate the rules of war by bombing a planet full of civillians?
To be honest, Trek was never Trek, unless you select a specific bunch of episodes between season 3 and 6 of TNG.
Trek is science fiction not science fantasy. I am talking about suspension of disbelief not adherence to Gene’s impossible original vision.
OK, I thought the people complaining about Disc were complaining about ethics and how Starfleet behaved. I didn’t know it had magic BS too.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Yeah me neither, but I still sorta like the show in a popcorn movie kinda of way. What really really annoys me about the show is Michelle Yeoh. A major miscast. Great actress but she can’t really play a evil bitch boss convincingly, she just reminds me of the try-hard Asian tiger moms in my family. Just straight up cringe. I’m still glad Discovery exists so Strange New Worlds could get greenlit.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Have you watched past the reveal of Captain Lorca’s past?
The reveal makes many of the very not-Trek first season issues suddenly feel much Trek.
I can see how that reveal might not play well to some. But it worked for me, and helped me forgive a bunch of issues I had with Discovery season 1.
I waited for the big reveal that all took place in the Mirrorverse. That would have explained a lot!
Then have them travel to our Universe and adapt to it. But no, between Archer and Kirk Starfleet must have recruited just the worst of the worst.
Could have been a cool story.
But no, between Archer and Kirk Starfleet must have recruited just the worst of the worst.
All good points.
But I’ve done some mental gymnastics to make it work. We actually know:
Lorca and Saru backstory Spoilers
Lorca defied orders to recruit Burnam, and keep Burnam out of space jail.
I also assume Lorca recruited Saru specifically because Saru’s native culture includes lots of putting up with inane bullshit, which was useful to Lorca after disposing of original Lorca’s body.
And I assume that the same character in my spoiler tag recruited various dysfunctional crew, while Saru recruited those crew that actually perform like Starfleet officers.
So basically, with enough mental hoops, I can assume that only Discovery, itself, is crewed unusually for Starfleet.
Edit: I also feel that Archer’s bring-my-dog-to-work leadership could also shoulder some blame. And Kirk is still a low ranking officer at this point, so we haven’t reached Starfleets prime.
The mirror universe episodes of Trek are my least favorite. Making that an integral part of a show that had already retconed a bunch of crap and added the force but mushrooms was the final straw for me.
If you mean something further than that then no, but frankly I shouldn’t have to watch a dozen or more hours of a show to get to the good part.
I am glad you liked it though.
Yeah. If you didn’t care for mirror episodes,
spoiler S1 Discovery
A season of “Oops! All Mirror Universe” wouldn’t be a nice reveal. Haha.
I had the opposite reaction to the Lorca reveal. He was the only interesting character at that point and they just threw it away.
It was such a relief, to me. He was interesting and compelling, but his achieving a rank of Captain in Starfleet, and then throwing it away to Mary sue with Burnam, felt silly to me.
The reveal fixes this. Although they could have been more explicit that
Spoiler S1 Discovery
It seems like Mirror Lorca killed and disposed of original Lorca, after original Lorca became a Captain. And then relied on people’s trust for original Lorca to not get run out of Starfleet before accomplishing his plans.
I didn’t find him to be the only interesting character, but I agree. They sacrificed depth and nuance in favour of a shallow shock twist. One of the bigger missteps of season 1.
Airiam was also an interesting character. Unfortunately,
Season 2 spoiler
She was basically just Background Crewman #6 until the episode that actually featured her. The episode that finally explained what the hell she actually was, then promptly killed her off.
Probably my biggest issue with the series.
That part really set it astray from most Trek. A full ship, with more than a handful of people on the bridge set alone, and they only focus on maybe 4 for the full run.
Agreed completely. Discovery and Picard both had an issue early on where they couldn’t plan ahead to save their life. Discovery at last had the excuse of shifting creatives behind the scenes. But all they needed to do was sprinkle that character work throughout the season and it would have made all the difference.
I liked Scott Bakula in Quantum Leap but he really did ruin Enterprise. Watching an episode like Coal Creek with essentially no Bakula is like a sad reminder of how good that show could have been.
Same. And I LOVE Bakula and I’m one of the rare people that likes Ent, especially the first seasons (I know!)
He was the worst fit of all the main cast IMO.
Shit… this means I might end up enjoying STD in like 10 years. Please don’t tell me I’m gonna be an STD fan.
STD grows on you.
STD will make you all warm and fuzzy.
STD is a viral sensation
STD will make you scratch your balls clean off.
Happy to have first watched Enterprise more than ten years after its initial run.
Let me watch it objectively without too much influencing from outside…I’m watching it for the first time, almost at the end of s3. Honestly it’s pretty decent. The Xindi stuff was on shaky ground for a while, but they recovered. It’s good, but I haven’t had any episodes stand out as particularly excellent or terrible
The one where they’re naked in the blue room or whatever
The one where the dog might die
That’s it: Overall pretty solid.
E.g. definitely better first season than TNG.
Xindi was crap imho, but some really good stuff in season 4.
I was sad that they didn’t produce more after that.I’m just gonna say it. When writing things, you should never fuck with time. There are very good shows that do a good job of it, without it becoming the answer to everything.
Star Trek is not one of those shows. (Dr. who, comes to mind.)
Still over all enjoyed enterprise.
The time loop episode of TNG (Cause and Effect) is one of my favourite things I have ever watched. But that doesn’t affect the overall timeline so I don’t think it counts against your argument, which I agree with.
that’s part of the problem with screwing around with all the timey-whimey stuff.
At the end of the day, it changes nothing. Like the year of hell arc in Voyager, with the krennim. the other species. all of that was just filler.
If the year of hell had been the entirety voyager it would have been the best star trek series ever
I swear, you can check the IMDb page for just about any sci-fi series, and there is about a 50% chance the top rated episode is a time loop episode.
In the case of Voyager, the top is s6e12 “Blink of an Eye” which involves a time-dilated planet. So, close enough.
That first season of tng showed us how functional data is I wouldn’t change it for the urge
The Xindi arc has value as a snapshot of american mindset post 9-11. Justifying torture as an answer to terrorist act in a Star Trek series was wild.
Justifying torture as an answer to terrorist act in a Star Trek series was wild.
fucking hell. I thought the pegasus was bad. Then I saw Sisko bomb a planet , section 31 in DS9, and now this.
They might as well have thrown Rodenberry’s bust into a woodchipper.
I’m glad they covered it but disgusted they leaned into it.
Yes, heard that take before!
Probably the reason I hated it.
Just not what I am watching Star Trek for…
I wish I had watched it when it first came out. I was one of those who lsitened to others saying it wasn’t good. Since I was deployed I couldn’t watch it live so I never did watch it until about a decade later. Now it’s one of my top ten favorite trek series.
I kid, it’s #4 behind VOY, DS9, and TNG
it’s #4 behind VOY, DS9, and TNG
I largely agree with you here, with the exception of VOY.
Only Trek series I had to force myself through (even omitting an especially bad season almost completely - I think it was season 2…?).
Didn’t watch Discovery yet, though, and not sure if I should… ;-)
New stuff always draws fire because of the hypothetical great thing the creators could be doing instead. Time will pass, it will become old and familiar, the hate will burn out, and people will start to eventually appreciate it for what is actually was instead of hating it for what it wasn’t.
I like DIS!
I went to the series finale screening.
