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A note addressed to Larry Nassar, signed by “J. Epstein,” appears to claim that Donald Trump loved “young, nubile girls”

The note was postmarked three days after Jeffrey Epstein’s death and appeared to reference his intention to die by suicide

Epstein apparently wrote, “As you know by now, I have taken the ‘short route home,’” in the hand-written note

The White House referred PEOPLE to a statement from the Department of Justice that called claims against Trump unfounded and false

    • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      16 hours ago

      I’m willing to believe he killed himself to protect the organization, but someone on the outside created the conditions for him to do so. The idea that one of the most closely guarded prisoners in the country just happened to know exactly when the guards were negligent and when the cameras were malfunctioning is just absurd. He was given a window of opportunity by somebody, at the very least, or murdered at most.

      I have no doubt that the contract required to enter an international sex trafficking organization also includes exit obligations if you are caught. There are a whole lot of dead people around this case, and the chance of it being a conspiracy is way higher than the chance of it being a coincidence at this point.

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            Life in prison for a crime so despicable that it typically includes being beaten to death by the other inmates.

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          To protect the overall organization and potentially to protect other people in his life. My impression from looking at the documents is that this is a very large international network. I imagine there would be consequences for being caught, such as the torture and murder of everyone you hold dear. If your only options are to kill yourself or to get murdered and have everyone around you also tortured and killed, I could see a narcissist choosing the former option.

          I don’t know anything for sure, but the released files definitely gave me the impression that Epstein was not the top of the chain. Rather, he seems like the American representative of an extensive global cabal. Somebody out there was putting together those sample albums of girls for him. Somebody was running the brothels he seemed to be visiting. He was getting calls from all over the globe with descriptions of new girls. It seems to go much deeper than just Ghislaine trolling the local middle schools for fresh meat.

          So, if he did kill himself (heavy on the if), then I’d imagine it was partially because there is a scarier monster out there who is ready to take out the trash if anybody gets sloppy.

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            If anyone can’t imagine Donald Trump or Prince Andrew torturing family members, I do want to add a reminder that Israel’s Mossad seems to be heavily tied into Epstein and potentially the trafficking ring itself.

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              You misunderstand me—I can see them being ok with torturing family members, but if the options are to either die by suicide or die by murder plus they demolish your empire, I think there’s a chance that they choose the former.

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                Correcting you wasn’t my intention at all. Sorry if it sounded like I was. I was merely adding to what you were saying (or attempting to).

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                  It’s all good, friend. I, too, apologize if I misinterpreted your response.

                  Look at us—just two civil lemmings having a polite conversation. This really is the superior social media.

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        I’m willing to believe he killed himself to protect the organization, but someone on the outside created the conditions for him to do so.

        That’s the actual conspiracy. I don’t get why so many feel the need to manufacture an actual person that would have to physically murder the man and be kept silent afterwards. All they had to do was give an already suicidal man (did everyone forget he was on suicide watch and then taken off?) shoelaces or whatever and not watch him. That isn’t conspiracy enough? The chain of phone calls from powerful people funneled down to the orders to individuals at the prison who were instructed to provide him the tools and time to kill himself?

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        I tend to apply an assumption of incompetence before conspiracy as a sort of Occam’s razor and it’s never steered me wrong.

        Could the circumstances of Epstein’s death be explained by ordinary incompetence? Almost certainly.

        Is there any actual evidence that it was something other than incompetence? In this case, not really.

        It’s easy to believe that a guard fell asleep, that the prescribed routine of checking every half hour just wasn’t fucking happening, and that prison guard isn’t really a “skilled” position. “He didn’t seem like he was going to kill himself so I didn’t check.” Is a lot more believable than a vast conspiracy that has yet to be independently confirmed by any involved person. “I was ordered to look the other way while Epstein hung himself” sells a million copies in weekend. If anybody had any evidence that it was malicious in any way, that shit would have been front page news 5 years ago.

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          Generally speaking, I agree with you, but in this case, there is a massive amount of evidence in the released documents that suggests there is an international network supplying women to powerful people. Several of these people are still in office or hold aristocratic titles, and they will do damn near anything to hold on to those.

          Let’s say it was basic incompetence that led the guards to fall asleep and the cameras to malfunction—how did Epstein know that was happening to act at the moment that he did?

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      16 hours ago

      Wait, you mean the guy who owned a beauty pageant was part of the sex trafficking operation? Who would have guessed that?

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      Seems like a regular hat theory to me. Seems like an obvious pipeline from his Miss Teen USA beauty pageants to “industry opportunities” like modeling or access to good agents, and then “I’ve pulled some strings for you and I’ve got you an invitation to an exclusive party full of important people you’ll really benefit from meeting. Just wear this little thing and be one of many pretty girls in the room, enjoying a private party. Show how fun you can be, and then the way will be paved for you. Trust me, I know how these things work. The best thing that can happen for your future is that one of these guys asks to talk privately with you in a room in the back. Just go along with it.”

      I would be very surprised if there were evidence that this isn’t what was happening.

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          Imagine how it felt to write. I just finished watching 50’s documentary about Diddy last night, so I kinda get the thought process of a powerful, narcissistic, manipulative monster sex pest now. What a fucking curse.

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    I’m so glad I haven’t forced myself into a position that I feel the need to defend this gross fuck. Could you imagine?

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    As much as I want this to be true, it appears to be faked. It was postmarked 3 days after his death and didn’t have his inmate number which is required on all prison mail. Everything is spelled correctly which doesn’t match anything else he ever wrote, and it was posted from a Virginia processing station nowhere near either of them. Also, there is no (known) prior connection between Nassar and Epstein.

    Also, now there’s a highly publicized fake piece of evidence that implicated Trump, which is awfully convenient for the rest of the files

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      Just because the doj says something is fake doesn’t actually make it so. And no not all mail has to go through the doc if you’ve got a lawyer worth a shit. So the real question is where was Epsteins lawyer based.

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        I don’t believe the doj saying it’s fake, I’m looking at it from an objective standpoint. The doj is corrupt and can suck my balls and taint for all I care.

        JE was a very well known and reviled person by 2019 and so was Trump. Is it that hard to believe someone would post a super incriminating letter from “Jeffrey Epstein” to another sex pest who was prominently in the news at that time in order to try to link them and Trump?

        I think Trump is a rapist pedo and was heavily involved with the trafficking but I think this particular piece of evidence ain’t it

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      Hopefully they’ll slip up in their need to disprove this and leak actual information.

      I’m all for flooding the zone with bullshit to force them to disprove it by implicating him elsewhere. This is why discovery is so priceless to a lawsuit.