So… Why is this one getting reposted?
Men will literally menstruate 24/7 instead of going to therapy
If anyone is mentruating 24/7, I would suggest the hospital.
Fake news we also have 40k lore
Dude. No need to call us out like that.
Men will literally masturbate 24/7 instead of going to therapy
ftfy lol
OK, why do you think they need to masturbate 24/7 in the first place?
I mean…. have you tried it?
It’s pretty great!
In America therapy costs a lot of money and you get no guarantee you’ll see someone competent.
So is the answer to give up or keep trying?
The answer is to fight for a healthcare system that covers all health (including mental) instead of trying to be the most effective funnel of money from the poor into the coffers of the rich.
Sadly, the people who are most lacking in mental health support are largely the ones who actively fight against such a structure (because propaganda works).
Tell me how we do that exactly? Just keep voting and hope that some kind of policy goes through and hopefully before you finally blow your brains out?
You seem to think that box #2 is the last hope. I’m not ready to give up on that one yet. But if things get so bad that the ballot box truly doesn’t matter any more, we still have two more to defend liberty with. I hope we never again need the fourth box.
Throwing your hands in the air and saying “it’s too rigged, there’s no hope” is exactly what the opps want.
I am not giving up. But just shrugging and say ‘go see a therapist’ is useless.
A lot of people really don’t get it.
Therapists cost around $100hr where I’m at. It’s the height of privilege and tone deafness to just toss out “get therapy” at every depressed fucker out there. The same people screaming for empathy seem to lack their own.
yes, because I will be extra sad if I cant afford rent.
Very true and I speak from experience. Still worth it to try, if you need help. I did eventually find one that helped me a lot.
You’re not doing anything by saying “go to therapy.” If you really cared, pay for someone’s therapy.
Men will literally
menstruatefap 24/7 instead of going to therapy
Jeez, first the reprisal of the bear comparison with a hilarious amount of dudes feeling still it is a bad comparison because bears are so so much more dangerous, now this, what is going on with Lemmy?
I see more people speaking out against the comic than for. Just a lot of the same people repeating the for side.
Maybe because the comic itself is satisfying enough to not require further comment.
Lots of arguing here who has it worse. Hard to get objective comparisons.
I suppose asking post-op trans people might be the best way to come closest to objective information on the subject. Wonder if the data from transfemmes and transmascs would be significantly different.
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Depression from being forced to grow up the opposite gender entirely removes my objectivity on this topic. Cis men don’t experience that same feeling so I can’t comment on what they feel.
I can say I personally feel a lot better as a woman though.
Also, cis women can stop their periods. My roommate has a thing injected in their arm for birth control that also fully stops their periods for (iirc) ~5 years.
Also I saw online that if you skip a dose of pill birth control before your period you can also skip the period, but I don’t have a uterus so I can’t confirm if that’s true loledit: This topic is a lot more complicated than I thought it was. I apologize.
Saying cis women can just stop their periods if they feel like it is a vast over simplification. Birth control fucks with your hormones often in very unpredictable ways. My friend had a light period for like 3 months straight due to her birth control and the doctors said that was fine and normal. In me, birth control triggered treatment resistant suicidal depression that I deal with to this day. In my sister, it gave wild mood swings and general emotional instability. My other sister was just plain allergic to it.
It’s dangerous for women to go on hormonal birth control even though it’s so common and normalized. Women’s Healthcare in the USA is so hit or miss, and doctors are often uninformed or dismissive. Maybe you live elsewhere where it’s better?
Please understand that periods are absolutely not optional. Even a complete hysterectomy (not that many of us could be granted one anyway) would trigger early menopause which is its own host of issues.
I had no idea it was so different for different people. I did not mean to downplay your issues at all, I apologize
Yeah birth control is a real crapshoot sometimes, my sister got the arm thing and it sent her into menopause at 35 so it had to be removed
Menopause or perimenopause? Menopause is just the day that a woman hasn’t had a period for 365 days. After that day, they’re post menopause. Leading up to menopause is called perimenopause and it can last up to 10 years and start for some women in their late 30s. I hope I’m not coming off as rude, I just like to try and educate people about this sort of thing because for much too long women have not openly talked about perimenopause/menopause and us elder millennials and Gen xers currently going through it are no longer staying silent about it as our mothers and grandmother’s did.
Damn thank you for sharing that. I can’t believe how little we all know about menopause considering almost half of humanity will eventually go through it!
I appreciate your explanation! My mother and her generation never spoke of perimenopause, menopause, or even periods and their issues in general. I’m an elder millennial with a Gen X friend and we talk about it pretty often. My older colleagues have also started being open about their experiences, we pass info along to each other via email.
It’s so nice to see the information becoming more talked about, especially since I’m getting into the perimenopause phase of life.
I said what I was told by my sister you pretentious ass
Cis man, lifelong treatment resistant depression here, I might not understand disphoria, but I sure as shit know depression. It’s why my primary emotions are empty void and the repressed rage from a lifetime of being told to “get over it”
I’ve noticed a trend (at least in online spaces I’ve been in) that trans women are much more present and vocal about their experiences than trans men. Do you have any observations on that topic? I wonder if trans women are simply more numerous, or perhaps trans men have more reasons to not be so vocal, e.g., ingrained shyness etc.
I know that on Lemmy specifically the number of trans women is significantly higher than the number of trans men, iirc Tumblr Pinterest and bluesky are places that trans men tend to be more dominant.
There is also a point that there’s not much about men that women don’t already know compared to the VAST amount of things that men don’t know about women.
So when someone switches gender the transfems tend to have a lot more learning and will overshare their experiences to help prevent the struggle for the next transfems that come along.though obviously that’s not to downplay the issues that trans men experience, there’s a lot of things that I thought were obvious that my transmasc friends had no idea about
I’m going to HARD disagree on women knowing more about men, I was raised surrounded by women, two sisters, single mother, three aunts, all cousins but one are women in my generation too, and they had no idea what to do with us, plenty of women still think an erection means consent for God’s sake
*tips fedora*
Man can’t even explain why he understands her pain without shitheads like you mocking them. He never said her pain was lesser, he was explaining his own pain, grow some empathy
Edit:actually I’m not fucking done. This is why men suffer in silence, this is why we avoid therapy our problems are mocked, emotional trauma and mental illness are character flaws instead of something to be treated when men have them
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Woman: I am experiencing pain.
Power: Bah, you’re just complaining because you’re a woman.
Man: I too am experiencing pain.
Power: Bah, you’re just complaining because you’re a woman.
Transwoman: I too am experiencing pain. Hunh… Maybe I am a woman.
Power: Nope, you’re just complaining because you’re a wom-, uh… man…? Er, wait… how do we patronize you? What the…?
Transman: I also –
Power: Stop! Just… Stop thinking and feed the machine that makes us powerful, damn it! Fuck’s sake, this was so much simpler when we could just claim divine right.
Yeah no that has nothing to do with the comic
The comic is seemingly intentionally ambiguous as an attempt to provoke consideration.
Definitely filters sexists out that’s for sure
He says that he feels like this all the time, while she only feels like that five days a month. Sure, he is not saying that her pain is lesser, but he is saying that he is suffering more. And that is what (most) people here mock. That this comic suggests that men suffer more than women. That responding to someone explaining their pain with “actually, I suffer like that all the time” is childish behavior. This isn’t about men sharing their pain, it’s about the one-upping what she is saying.
You wouldn’t say this if it were reversed and you know it, this entire thread is a screaming example of the empathy gap towards men
You’re not going to salvage this one. Neither of the characters are being good, and we both know the guy is assumed to be the bigger asshole in this comic. Regardless of what realities exist, most people are going to read what is presented as misogynistic.
The truth is, they’re both failing to communicate, so anyone using this as a sexist cudgel is only revealing their own bias. Because, again, they both suck in this comic. There are no heroes here, so anyone claiming otherwise is… ignorant at best.
the last panel should say “I also suffer in similar ways, let’s share how we cope” instead of saying “You suffer less than me”
It’s an unfunny edgelord comic. I get the point, it’s just not funny.
Just like man/bear, the difference is this one can be interpreted as pro-men in its sentiment which tends to shake the tree, making examples of the Empathy Gap fall out
If you’re a piece of shit, it reads the way you read it. You probably don’t wonder why that is.
*loud farting and shitting sounds*
Bro what, at least use words.
I did use words bigot
No u
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People yelling misogyny are not comprehending shorthair’s unresolved mental health crisis. JimBenton is exemplifying someone who has the bloodlust, depression and self-disgust and needs a therapist to help tackle the issue.
It’s legitimately amazing women can endure a flaw in our biology and have emotional endurance NOT to kill, feel disgust, and depression ALL the time. But most other mammals do not have periods. We fucked up our evolution along the way.
Hopefully we can fix those genetic errors next CRISPR research. In the meantime, if you find people like shorthair, intervene, and recommend them a good psychiatrist.
Lemmy: MISOGYNY!
Meanwhile, me, a dumdum: Damn the author has experienced critically low self-esteem…or the joke is as fun as a rock in the field.
Like, either it’s self-depreciating/edgy humor or it’s not humor at all lol.
I immediately understood it to be a description of severe depression. If a neurotypical person suddenly experiences a low from a period similar to a depressed person’s average day, why is it suddenly misogyny?
Because the depressed person is a man, there are many people who still treat mental illness and emotional trauma as character flaws, but only when men have them, otherwise it’s all about listening and believing. Tl;dr: sexism against men is far more rampant and casually accepted than people think
The patriarchy hurts both sides
I’d be more willing to listen if y’all didnt insist on naming your ideological evil after men then wondering why so many are skeptical everything you say, it demonizes half the population.
Patriarchy? It’s not named after men, it’s named for “patriarch” - it means “rule of the father”. It is very present in many typical households, where a male father figure makes and enforces the rules of the household. This serves as something of a microcosm of society at large.
I think you are seeing this as some sort of “battle of the sexes”, like women vs. men kind of a situation - that’s not what it’s about, it just has been a historical fact, in most societies, going all the way back to the concept of dowry payments that a “father of the house” makes the decisions, up to and including decisions for women and girls, such as who they will marry, and so on, but in return this means that men have to perform a specific role and have a lot of pressures and expectations placed upon them, which can lead to very harmful effects on men too.
Feminism is fighting for men and women against a harmful ideology that primarily benefits the men of the ruling class.
I feel like if this was a specific character going “wait that’s not normal lol” the joke would land better. But as it is the only frame of reference we have is one representing women and one representing men.
And it just all falls flat because women can have mental illnesses too? And yes men are forced to repress it more often but women often have their physical or mental health dismissed or ignored so it’s not much better either way.
I’m trans so I’ll never face a period but I can’t imagine the agony of going through one in addition to a mental health crisis or other sickness. And it’s not like women get “period days off” of work or school so you’re just expected to push through it.
I’m grateful you will never have to deal with it, it makes me a little jealous. If you ever want to imagine what bad cramps feel like, imagine a power drill plunged into your belly, whirring at full speed. 😭
what
I love the comments demonstrating exactly how men’s mental health issues are marginalised, ignored and treated with contempt.
BTW, international men’s day is November 19th, and no one gives a shit.
I give a shit. Stop saying no one gives a shit, it’s not true. The media powers put those words together, stop repeating the lie they sell you.
Give a shit
Having once been a part of reddits /menslib. I can safely say that if that is the best we can do then its hopeless.
Menslib is a cesspit, pure controlled opposition.
Did you see any posts on international men’s day on Lemmy? Because I didn’t, and I also forgot. No one fucking cares. The only time it gets bought up is on 8 march because of douchebags. And doesn’t even get mentioned on the fucking day it happens , even by people who know about it, because we also forget
Now all together: Feeling bad and being sad are things you do not compete at
One man’s trash
Yeah, yeah. What do you think the origin of the word menstruation is?
It’s men + frustration.
booo
Agreed
Misogynistic drivel.
Woman: I’m suffering
Man: I have it worse!
Shut the fuck up and listen. If someone says they’re suffering you pay attention to their problems not make it a contest.
It’s about depression you git. Does he have “all men” tattooed on his fucking forehead? It’s one dude. You sound extremely hypocritical
This is how I interpreted it as well. He understands because depression makes him feel that way all the time.
You do undermine your own point a bit by trivializing men’s suffering in the same breath as demanding nobody trivialize suffering.
The comic is bullshit for sure but you did exactly the same thing it did.
There is no real life situation where the proper response to a person crying in your presence who claims they have it bad is “I have it worse”
A rich teenager crying about how they’re not getting the brand new car they wanted for their sweet 16.
ah okay you got me, but that does not at all make this comic not mysogynistic. There is none of that context here. I dont care about this dudes opinion
He ignored her suffering and diminished it saying that for 5 days a month she feels what he deals with every day. He’s ignoring her point and one-upping her. That’s toxic behaviour that doesn’t help anything.
That he is also suffering is a separate conversation that also needs to take place but that’s a different conversation. The first step is resolving conflict is by listening to the other person’s point of view, not dismissing it as less important.
They’re both being toxic in the comic, so trying to play it as if either is more correct is being disingenuous and is a massive source of the confusion in this discussion.
… it is that “toxic” mental health that the author is trying to emphasize needs to be met.
both issues are valid. but shorthair‘s mental health problem is what’s being highlighted.
It’s precisely shorthair’s dismissal that needs to be intervened.
there maybe some underlying ASPD that needs to be resolved.
So you’re just ignoring the part where the woman says that the man doesn’t understand? That’s the whole reason why he says how he feels. He’s not just saying that to undermine her struggle. He’s explaining why he thinks he understands her better than she thinks.
Conversely, empath the fuck up and don’t push your problems on someone who also has them. Both struggles, as minor as they could be, are valid.
Unless they are a man, of course, then they should just get a therapist.
Also OP is a new account with only posts and no comments. Lots of red flags.
Why would we listen, you just did the opposite. No empathy for those who don’t show any.
What the person you replied to is correct regardless of the genders involved. When someone brings up a problem to you, it’s a rude thing to immediately respond in ways that make it about you and your own pain. There’s a line between sharing your own experiences to establish understanding and empathy and making it the pain Olympics.
Especially in this comic, the man couldn’t possibly understand how it feels to have the unfortunate symptoms that come from having periods, and he instantly equates putting up with his partner during their period as equivalent. It’s eye rolling on multiple levels.
He never made it about him. You made it about him. Where did he equate it to putting up with her? He didn’t, you did. He only explained how he could in fact understand her pain. You are saying he can never express his pain, he can only agree with her, pure bigotry
I never said he couldn’t express his pain. I said, regardless of genders, this way of expressing it is simply rude and not a good way to communicate in any kind of relationship. When someone brings up something that is bothering them, and your immediate response is “yeah, but me”, you’re being a jerk. Since this seems to be escaping you, this doesn’t mean the other person isn’t allowed to talk about their feelings. They simply need to be an adult and do it at a more appropriate time or in a more appropriate way. Conversations like this aren’t a battle to be won, they are a tool used to solve a problem or simply vent frustration.
You seem to be looking at this in a very black and white way. Therapy can help with that. It’s not a fun way to go through life.
You’re a misandrist and deserve to die like the rest of your subhuman caste.
Heheh, I’ve been checking out your comment history and you’re on quite the crusade! I don’t know if I agree with everything you say, but I can get behind the determined fury. I can be like that too, and I’m not gonna downvote anyone else for doing the same, because this place does get a bit kumbaya and dissent-averse at times, and I think it’s fair to call shit out.
That’s all.
Oh my, I think you need to talk to someone. If I suggest therapy, should I die twice?
Did you consider that the comic is making fun of misogynists?
I had not considered that, so thanks for pointing that out. Upon checking the comic more closely, I don’t get any hint that it’s making fun of misogynists, but it’s certainly possible.
If so, it’s shockingly ineptly done though
Longhair: explains problem they insist short-haired can’t understand
Short hair: explains he does and why, revealing deep emotional damage underneath
You: MY SOGGY KNEEEEES!
I think the issue here is that shorthair cannot know for sure what longhair is experiencing, exactly. Shorthair has experienced something that they would describe in the same way, but neither can know with certainty what the other experiences.
It is perfectly understandable to relate to others in pain by sharing your own pain with them, but it can come across as a bit dismissive sometimes, I think that’s the root of the discourse here.
Then explain OP’s title.
It’s a meme.
I refuse to believe we’re living in a world where meme literally got Trump elected and people are still acting like “just a meme” is a thing. Jokes don’t exist in a vacuum, meaning is inherently tied to humor and can be read from it.
She wasn’t merely saying, “I’m suffering”. The comic starts with, “you don’t understand”. It starts with her dismissing the comiseration attempt.
This highroad is cute and all, but it’s grossly ignorant to reality or the fact that there are no heroes in this comic: It is not one side being dismissed. It is both sides failing to communicate. They are both talking past each other.
Why are you all bitching women aren’t even real
Just like birds
That’s why the brits call them that.
If I roll 80 times on the latest gacha, I can pretend they’re real, and then they’ll immediately beg for my self-insert character to date them.
