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    It’s the greatest ignorance, very bigly stupidity! Better magical thinking like no man has seen before! Tr*mp loves the poorly educated, believe me.

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    Everything published at or below 6th grade reading level

    Americans consume this content almost exclusively

    The median reader consumes at or below the 6th grade level

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        College kids have never read everything they’re assigned, of course, but this feels different.

        I love Vibes Based Reporting.

        Twenty years ago, Dames’s classes had no problem engaging in sophisticated discussions of Pride and Prejudice one week and Crime and Punishment the next. Now his students tell him up front that the reading load feels impossible. It’s not just the frenetic pace; they struggle to attend to small details while keeping track of the overall plot.

        As someone who was in college twenty years ago, I’ve got to say there’s no way in hell I could make it through an entire novel in a week while balancing the rest of my course load. Either I’m reading the Cliff’s Notes or I’m not getting it done. I also ran a 15-hour course study in hopes of landing a triple major in four years (bad idea, kids!), but even with a more conservative 12-hour load, imagine this plus 3 other classes making the same demands on your time.

        This isn’t a new problem. It is, perhaps, a problem that the current generation of students no longer has the cheat-codes to navigate. But doggedly insisting people were housing a 400-page book in a week and retaining it for meaningful discussion? Get fucked, dude. Nobody was actually doing that ever.

        If you could come to the table talking about these novels, its because you already read them in High School, not because you consumed them in a week in your hectic freshman year.

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          I was in college 20 years ago too. I read multiple books per week for fun, often on top of my regular coursework. It wasn’t hard, it was just a matter of priorities. My priority was to learn. I probably read 500 pages a week on average.

          Your presumption is wild. You basically think because you didn’t do the work, nobody could, or should do it. You are part of the problem here. Reading a 400 page novel is not that time consuming dude, esp in college. In my AP English class we read one every 2-3 weeks.

          Rather than rise to the challenge of learning, you want to pretend that it’s an onerous requirement that nobody could possible attain. What, so you can party more, or dick around on the internet? Are you the type who goes to book clubs and doesn’t read the book and then thinks anyone who did is a stupid nerd? I’ve definitely encountered plenty of those people in my book clubs, which is precisely why I don’t do them anymore.

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            $20 bucks says this guys “regular coursework” was liberal arts BS lol

            Some of us studied actually challenging stuff, mate

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                Nah, but when someone is acting like a prat, I’ll give it right back to’em. I maintained a 4.0 GPA through medical school, and have read so many god damn books. Doesn’t make me smarter or better.

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              right, anyone who reads books that aren’t engineering is an idiot, right?

              So what makes me stupider, my minor in mathematics, or my minor in music? because both are ‘useless’ fields.

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                I didn’t say you were stupid, but YOU said

                I read multiple books per week for fun, often on top of my regular coursework. It wasn’t hard, it was just a matter of priorities. My priority was to learn.

                So because I didn’t read extra books on the side, my priority wasn’t to learn? pretty insulting.

                You are part of the problem here. Reading a 400 page novel is not that time consuming dude

                Even more insults!

                Rather than rise to the challenge of learning, you want to pretend that it’s an onerous requirement that nobody could possible attain. What, so you can party more, or dick around on the internet? Are you the type who goes to book clubs and doesn’t read the book and then thinks anyone who did is a stupid nerd?

                Yeah, your whole comment and subsequent attempts has you coming off like an arrogant prick. The books the original poster mentioned? I read those in middle school mate, so I guess that makes me even smarter than your pretentious ass. And that’s why I wrote a snotty comment.

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                  I used to teach. My lazy students told me I was an arrogant prick too. They usually got Cs and would leave me angry reviews about how stupid my course was and how dare I make them try hard because what is the point I was going to give them a bad grad because i didn’t like them personally.

                  My students who did the readings, showed up to class, wrote good papers, to enjoy my class and usually got As.

                  Weird how that works. It’s OK if you don’t like to read man, but don’t go around generalizing that your lack of drive and interest in the topic necessitates that it’s a waste of time for everyone else.

                  I would guess you don’t run marathons either. Are people who run marathons wasting their time too? Or should they just take blood dope?

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            I probably read 500 pages a week on average.

            Pride and Prejudice alone is 400 pages. Crime and Punishment is another 600 pages. If you have two Lit classes in the same semester, you’re going to have to double that rate or fall behind schedule. Nevermind retention.

            I remember sitting in a library surrounded by books, struggling to solve the 15 problems a class Engineering Physics assigned. Just a fist full of brain-teasers day in and day out. Three of us working together managed to clear the load in a couple of hours. Then on to the next assignment, which was another two or three hours. Five classes a day, you’re lucky when you have enough time to sleep.

            I’ll admit, I did a few summers at a community college and that workload was much smaller, the tests were far easier, and the graders significantly more forgiving. Crazy how little work it takes to ace an exam in High School Plus relative to a University weed-out program.

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              I fail to see the point of any of what you are talking about.

              You weren’t taking English classes, what do you care about the workload in them?

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                  So what are you mad about? that you had to read books in English class?

                  Why were you taking english class if you don’t want to read books?

                  Are you angry you had to do engineering problems in engineering class too? Sounds like it.

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    Mapping this to age to help.

    “The internet” says grade 6 = 11-12yo, which for my reference is Year 7 in NZ, or the first year of intermediate (Y7 and Y8; between primary and secondary school) which is a fairly low bar.

    So I checked the OECD and we are basically average; just above the US in the 2023 data. So better but not much better.

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      To be fair, newspapers back in the day aimed to write for a 6-8th grade reading level here in the US.

      At this point though, I’ve been told that this is basically functional illiteracy here.

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      the vast majority of people don’t need advanced reading skills.

      and those that do, typically only need them temporarily during their college years.

      Where i live tons of people have advanced degrees, but outside of work/college, they see reading as boring and stupid and have no interest in it.

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    “Are you smarter than a 6th grader?”

    “What? That seems like such a low bar to make a whole game show off of. Wouldn’t it have basically a 100% rate of contestants winning? I mean, they’re using adults. Might be a bit more interesting if they use a bunch of 2nd graders that are said to be gifted.”

    (Show comes out)

    “…so it appears I was wrong, and this country is fucked.”

    (Decades go by, and we’re now in present day)

    “See? We’re fucked.”

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    It is unfortunante that this was propably planned in order to result in a workforce that doesn’t question things.

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      The rest of the world isn’t much better to be honest. 6th grade reading level isn’t even that bad. The amount of people who can’t read at all is more worrying

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    As an avid audio book listener I really thought the rise of podcasts would make americans more literate but it seems like it had an inverse effect.

    What’s going on in the US? Is the water poisoned with heavy metals or something? The mental decline is palpable.

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      The boomers are aging and lead poisoned. Education system is spotty. Poor areas have less tax revenue, leading to worse schools, and that creates a cycle.

      People are addicted to social media and it’s literally rotting their brains. 15 second video clips with the same background audio playing in a loop.

      I think it is a lot of things happening concurrently.

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      Seriously, there has to be some systematic pollutant that is affecting our behavior to make us compliant. Plenty do, herbicides are endocrine disruptors for instance, but one of the many has to be making us accept being robbed and abused by the rich and state without protest.

      That and taxoplasmosis, a parasite that inhibits the fear center between rodents and cats spread by feces, but all mammals can get it and some estimate a third or even half of the population could have it. Rodents with it lose their instinctual fear of cats.

      I am not joking, this is some 1984 type shit, past generations would not have accepted all of this.

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      listening to harry potter audio books isn’t going to make anyone more literate.

      becoming more literate would require listening to audio books that challenge one cognitively.

      most readers aren’t doing that. they mostly read crap that is easy and re-enforces their existing viewpoints.

      just look at best seller lists in audio book or paper book. lots of crap.

      Now who benefits from a poorly educated populace?

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    I remember reaching high school and MANY students reading out loud at the level I’d expect an early grade schooler to. Struggling with uncomplicated words. It was honestly pretty cringy.

    Can’t say I didn’t see this coming.

    Suddenly a felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist being our leader makes a lot of sense.