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Sigh. I miss when Rage Against The Machine wasn’t political.
What are you going to tell me next, that Tom Morello has a degree in political science? He should just stick to playing the guitar.
Found Paul Ryan’s lurk account
God damn, I am going to use this phrase in my next Stellaris multiplayer match
Being a leftist is fun because the fascists have threatened to purge entire communities in response to violence against ICE and we’re arguing about the historicity of the quote and whether displaying a phrase on a podium is technically a quote or not.
What violence against ICE?
The Trump administration has classified things like recording ICE on your phone as violence, and is using that to claim that violence against ICE is is up 400 bajillion percent.
Doesn’t matter about reality, they can respond to any thing they say, made up or not.
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good’s driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It’s kinda depressing honestly.
I don’t understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that’s not debatable, that’s just the way it is.
My conspiracy theory is that on most big social media, these kinds of debates are mostly conducted by bots to manufacture consent, and that we get people here who just repeat the takes from the bots they’ve seen that have the most likes because they’re hoping they get that many likes too.
this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it’s mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don’t think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever
Attacking how communication is done instead of what’s being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they’ve let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
That’s a false dichotomy: it’s possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.
Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.
Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that’s what I now I had to do.
But then I see that it isn’t true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn’t be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?
It’s fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you’re making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn’t be an issue.
Don’t call me overdramatic. Holocaust 2.0 is coming.
Coming to Amerikkka after beta testing in Gaza.
The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
Hey, thanks for the information!
All of yours first, then.
So many people in this post complaining that its misinformation because its not actually a quote because it wasnt spoken aloud or it doesnt actually come from the nazis. However. The Trump admin DID display this information WITH the intent to threaten the lives of all dissidents and almost certainly with the belief themselves that it comes from nazis, as they wholeheartedly stand on the side of nazis. This isnt misinformation, no matter how picky you want to be, and it is VERY relevant and important to share.
“This post which makes untrue claims isn’t misinformation because it’s heart is in the right place”
Behold: how conservatives became blindly accepting of any information as long as it fits their views
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However, we found no evidence confirming that the phrase originated verbatim in Nazi Germany, as social media posts suggested. The origin of the phrase was unclear, but it did not appear to have been used by the Trump administration or other presidential administrations before appearing on the lectern. Online searches for the origin of the phrase returned only results for more social media posts claiming it had roots in the Nazi regime, without providing further evidence. Searches of newspaper archives also found no instances of the Trump administration or other governments using the specific phrase.
Mindlessly spreading without fact-checking, bad look.
If it looks and acts like a duck it’s a duck. Nazi getting called out for being a nazi and you’re worried about the origin of the phrase.
All the shit they say about their opponents, and I’m supposed to be concerned about the accuracy of a them making a perfectly plausible statement?
I don’t fucking care, spread the story.
If there are any MAGA left after this…
Crickets from MAGA
Oh, look! They are running for their lives. MAGA is done!
No more nazis, no more wars, no more genocides! All thanks to the brave instagram warriors. You did it again Americans! The rest of the world is proud of you!
You are so brave.
Pleas guys, learn from the Brigate Rosse. Put him in a f*cking trunk (use a chrysler pt cruiser for the occasion please) and goodnight.
The phrase “One of ours, all of yours” was displayed on a podium during a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) briefing attended by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. While images of the podium with the slogan circulated widely on social media, Kristi Noem herself did not say the phrase aloud 12.
The slogan has been linked to Nazi Germany, specifically as a reprisal for the killing of an SS officer 45. Musician Tom Morello alleged that the “Trump admin quoted (verbatim) the slogan” 25. However, other reports indicate that Noem defended ICE agents, stating they acted in self-defense and that “criminal, illegal aliens” would be arrested while American citizens would be protected 1. Some sources suggest that the phrase has not been found in historical texts related to 20th-century history 3.
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Did Kristi Noem really say One of Ours All of Yours? History of …www.primetimer.com
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Fact Check: Did Kristi Noem use problematic slogan ‘One of ours, all of …news.meaww.com
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Kristi Noem One of Ours, All of Yours Podium Message Explainedwww.distractify.com
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‘One of ours, all of yours’ – Into the Woodsacornabbey.com
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Tom Morello Condemns DHS Podium Sloganbluntmag.com.au
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If you stand behind a podium and give a speech, that podium is part of it. Whether or not her mouth made those sounds, she fucking said it.
Besides, he didn’t even say Noem specifically quoted it, he said the admin quoted it. That podium was decorated by the admin…
Well this is disingenuous as fuck.
“She didn’t say nazi shit, she just wore a swastika on her arm. Get your facts straight!”
To be fair, I’m sure she definitely also said some Nazi shit… Just not verbatim
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending liars and a$$holes. But it’s not useful to misquote without sources.
The short version is, while the meaning/intent is fascist as hell. The attribution of the phrase is “highly unlikely”.
Still. She allowed the quote to be displayed while she was making a statement.
Her sentiment is clear.
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This was not a Nazi slogan.
They are despicable enough without having to lie about it.
It was a nazi modus operandi. You’re splitting hairs in the face of enormity.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn’t find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it’s not some dog whistle, it’s blatantly obvious what they’re saying. Don’t let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
I’m inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn’t lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously
Verified by whom?
Reddit as a whole is a consent manufacturing machine. These “verified” crap shoots, where every one of the “discussions” align with the confirmation bias of the people manufactured by people who want to curate the narrative doesn’t have any credibility beyond people who are gullible or benefit from these narratives.
But you do you.
Verified by providing well sourced and reasoned answers. There are PhD contributors but mostly it’s down to providing consistently providing context to an answer and not going off on some fringe tangent. It’s easily the most heavily moderated subreddit.
“Why on reddit” comes up often and the answer has consistently (historically anyway) been that there isn’t really a better long-form public outreach platform at the moment. Blogs are close don’t have the same opportunity for followup questions and definitely don’t have the same “drive-by” effect of just seeing it on the front page.
Literally have watched the typically accepted propaganda get removed quickly on that sub. Also had several conversations with mods when I was on there. Levelheaded and quite serious about their work. Literally the only sub that seemed to maintain ethics and consistency.
That being said, I’ve not been on there in a couple of years.
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just “in the spirit” of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
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Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn’t a Nazi slogan and never was.
You didn’t read it.
One thing is clear: the phrase carries power, but its classification as a historic Nazi slogan is not supported by primary historical evidence.
It’s what they did
Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo… Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
