• P1k1e@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    Those numbers are ungodly close…sigh I honestly expected them to be higher tho…still don’t feel better about it

  • stickly@lemmy.world
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    I think these polls are interesting but tell us more way more about the media landscape than the people being polled.

    For starters, about 3-5% of the population has ASPD or borderline symptoms. About 1/4 of the general population suffers from a mental illness and 35-50% of extreme cases go untreated in high income countries.

    So right there we would expect probably ~10% of the population completely disconnected from normal social function. In the USA those numbers are probably a bit inflated because conservatives have consistently gutted any programs that might target those issues and keep people functioning in society.


    Of course that’s not to say everyone suffering from an untreated mental illness is automatically a fascist. What’s interesting is how the GOP (and Heritage Foundation and Koch brothers, et al.) have accomplished is a near total capture of that population.

    When was the last time you interacted with someone completely unhinged (*in real life) who wasn’t spouting fascist propaganda? Gone are the halcyon days of off-putting, but relatively benign, alien/bigfoot conspiracies. Those vulnerable groups have been co-opted and put into lock-step with fascism via targeted disinformation.

    Amplify that skepticism into the mainstream and suddenly you’ll have another 10% or more who find its palatable and convenient to accept simple and ugly regressive answers to their problems (“Mad about healthcare? You’re smart enough to know that’s not a lizard people conspiracy, it’s brown people taking your taxes!”). Believe it or not, people can be racists or asshole without automatically licking fascist boots and signing up for ethnic cleansing.

    Then take that solid 20% and astroturf a bunch of hateful fascist narratives online and another apathetic chunk will just go along with it ("Well I didn’t look too closely but 15 RealAmericanPatriot accounts said it was self defense, they can’t all be wrong")


    All this to say if you see 80% in a US poll that is universal support from the general population that exists in the same universe as you. If you see more than 80%, then the fascist base actually cracking. From that perspective these polls are mostly rage bait because you won’t see a change in polling until the change is really obvious in real life.

    • Atropos@lemmy.world
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      12 hours ago

      Yeah. This has been incredibly eye opening. I am disgusted by the actions of the people in power here.

      These are the types of people I was raised to believe no longer exist after the second world war.

      Growing up is depressing.

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        I think a certain set of people just don’t have the bandwidth to deal with the complexity of the modern world so just accept the simplest loudest solution. Its not neccesarily lack of empathy so much as a perception of protecting their tribe.

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        That’s not fair to humanity. This is a Western problem, and America is the West on crack (fent?). People make mistakes everywhere, but in America/much of the West even the concept of objective rights and wrongs are debatable, which allows for even more amoral excesses. This is why their discourse revolves around whether things are “constitutional” or “legal”, because objective morality is not in their psyche, so saying right and wrong doesn’t come naturally to them.

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            12 hours ago

            Mmmh. Okay, sure. Give it some time, eventually even the West will open their eyes to the obvious truth. 🤷

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              I mean, yes, monotheists like Moses and Jesus also spoke about objective truths, rights and wrongs (“thou shalt not kill” etc etc). Of course it sounds like nonsense to you, lol, if it didn’t we wouldn’t be where we are!

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            14 hours ago

            The other day he assured me that I molest children because it’s just in my nature. I don’t ever recall diddling a kid, but he must be right because who am I to argue against nature.

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              12 hours ago

              Do you mind posting that here? I kinda doubt I said “you diddle kids”. Are you sure this is not just confusion coming from lacking reading skills?

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            12 hours ago

            He walked towards it, and talked to the operator, lol. They only show you the other picture for spin reasons. In America you used to get casually pepper sprayed, now you get casually murdered. 😔

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    It is nauseating that such a high number approve. I just can’t accept that. Is this thing broken? Is it even on?

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    1 day ago

    So literacy is improving; Up to 73% from 72% 3 years ago!

    #SilverLining #Sarcasm

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    What’s the source on the quote? As far as I’m aware PIAAC doesn’t make any statements about difficulty like that, since it doesn’t particularly track with the description of Level 1 reading comprehension.