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      There’s a few different options. There’s also Mbin and a couple others that I couldn’t name off the top of my head.

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        Yes, but if you try to recommend people to use Mbin you have to explain why they have to call shitposts in meme communities “articles” in “magazines”.

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      These are like 2 sides of one coin. PieFed is basically a very good modification of Lemmy with its own advantages and problems.

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      PieFed has more features and can do everything Lemmy can. There are many things you can do in Reddit but not on Lemmy, but most of those are possible on PieFed.

      A user migrating to PieFed is more likely to stay than a user migrating to Lemmy, because they won’t have a feeling that there are familiar features lacking. You don’t have flairs, multireddits (a.k.a. feeds), polls, events, personal notes on users, or notifications on new posts/comments on Lemmy, but on PieFed you do.

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    I wish Peertube had more content, although I may just be actual garbage at finding it.

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      I recently contacted a content creator at youtue asking if they might also share their content on peertube as they have the rights to do so. Maybe this is a way of getting more content.

      Since the videos are already made for yt it shouldn’t be a lot of more work to do for creators.

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      This is the issue with fediverse in general: lack of content. I’m sure people can figure out how to join … it’s not any more complicated than joining Bluesky, and that has exploded in growth. Why? Because everybody is on there.

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      it can be tough to find good stuff on there. I had a personal peertube instance that I had setup but I ended up shutting it down, i rarely used it and couldn’t find a lot of good stuff on there.

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      found this awesome peertuber, he is super cool: blinmaster@peertube.wtf (its my own channel and i found a place to plug it :3)

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    Lots of people are upset with the censorship happening on TikTok and are uninstalling TikTok, this image might be useful to show to them.

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    80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.

    Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they’ll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.

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      Then we can get new creators and a new kind of community.

      Something different, can still grow and be beautiful.

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        checks the age of peertube and the almost complete lack of interesting content

        is it gonna start soon? It’s almost a decade old and there’s nothing interesting at all outside of a couple Linux people.

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      This sounds like an excellent feature. Fuck people trying to make money I wanna post stupid memes.

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        fucking awesome for Lemmy, kinda bad for video that takes 40 hour workweeks to produce.

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      Maybe it’s just me, but the influencer type content creators are part of what I’m fleeing from in the mainstream social media options. The internet is better without them. The gamification and monitization leads to enshittification. Reddit really started going to shit when the same people’s posts were always on the front page, and then you had the same people modding and gaming their communities to push it. I personally would hate if that happened to fediverse alternatives.

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        I don’t really care that much about influencers, the fake outrage and fake indignation. I want to watch people play games I can’t afford and don’t have time to dedicate to playing. And I don’t want to watch it live, I want to start it when I feel like it and stop it when I’m busy. I want some astrophysics news, some people cooking some shit. All those people are solely there because they can afford to stop their day jobs and make something interesting. I want to see some great scott and some tom scott.

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        The ideal is people doing it just because they can, but how many people have the financial means for that? I’d say another reason for Reddit going to shit is all the people wanting to express themselves somehow, but only having a little bit of time to type something out on their phones and not enough to put thought or research into what they are saying. Streamers, youtubers etc. put a lot of work and practice into making something someone might consider good, and a lot of that is only possible because they get paid and so don’t have to get another full time job that removes any time for creative pursuits.

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        This is a big thing I’ve been thinking about with Youtube. People clearly have problems with it. But they’re so locked in that they feel they can’t move to another platform.

        I don’t even think they creators need to make a full jump for Peertube to grow. But having content Cross-posted, and for creators to go “and if you want an alternative to YouTube, I’m also on PeerTube” would go a long way.

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        Floatplane in particular seems promising, but between them and viva plus, they really outline how expensive it is to try to do it Youtube style. But then you have things like odysee where they just barely monetize, and you see what hot trash that brings in.

        It’s a hard nut to crack.

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      @rumba This is where we need to showcase things like Patreon and other ways of people making money from people who truly enjoy there work, pay people not corporations.

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        now go convince all those creators making a living that have both youtube and patreon money coming in to post on a free only alternative and just go to patreon income.

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          I know it’s not as simple as that, but creators are annoyed of these platforms, mirroring your content on the Fediverse is easy through PeerTube and having ‘uncensored’ or less restricted videos be uploaded onto PeerTube can help.

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            it’s super easy to get the content on to peer tube, just not financially sound.

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            Honestly, the fact they complain about the platforms all the time while doing nothing to leave those platforms what-so-ever just feels like another manipulation tactic like clickbait titles and thumbnails.

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              As someone who creates stuff myself, I know how it is, It’s hard to move away from the platforms when there’s so many more people that see’s your content on them.

              I wish I could get half the people that get to see my content on PeerTube but sadly as of the moment it’s not the case.

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      Lots of people like piefed more than Lemmy. I haven’t tried it much yet.

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        You know that piefed.world exists? Its admins are the same people that are also admins of your current home instance, lemmy.world.

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        Its fun. Honestly though, we are so similar its like choosing apple or cherry pie. It comes down to preference.

        Fediverse means lemmy/piefed/etc…etc… can thrive and we all have a better experience.

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            You did not suggest anything, you came in flying with insults

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            Thanks, I guess. You seem like a very nice and reasonable person.

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              Bold words coming from a supporter of russian genocidal imperialism!

              And please don’t play dumb! We both know the overwhelming majority of tankies only speak English and at absolute best may have visited Europe for a week 20 years ago (let alone Cuba or China).

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                The great majority of the world’s “tankies” aren’t from the Global North but from the Global South and from actually-existing socialist states like China, Vietnam, and Cuba.

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                  Totally!

                  They don’t look at you and see a demagogue who is roleplaying online, oh no.

                  It’s funny how you talk big about the “global south” and “actually-existing socialist states” and yet you have a very orientalist and honestly racist worldview.

                  You think people in Cuba or say Vietnam are idiots who can’t see through basic bullshit.

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                  Brah, “touch grass bla bla” is pretty stale by this point.

                  Btw, it’s winter in the northern hemisphere!

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                What are you even talking about?? English is my second language and I lived in Europe almost my entire life. And I visited Cuba, it was nice.

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            Even tagged them, wow

            Your arrogance is beyond words, personally attacking the devs that created and tirelessly maintain the very platform you’re using to write this garbage comment.

            Go use reddit, it will align with your worldview much better since it is run by corporations that sell your data for profit, making use of their god given right to “personal freedom” as defined by the CIA, and don’t allow anything left of Mussolini on their platform.

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                Rt talking points like what, exactly? Half the time I see a lib frothing at the mouth bc they saw an RT link, I go and read it and it’s just outright quoting Ukrainian officials with a source.

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              You just make no sense. “Stop buying from Amazon if you don’t like Bezos”. Whatever, since you are new, you don’t know yet what you got yourself into with lemmygrad. Enjoy!

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                Not new, and I’m fine with lemmygrad but thanks for the concern. I’ll make sure to avoid the likes of you instead

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      PieFed > Lemmy (In my opinion)

      I switched to PieFed a while ago, it’s the same thing but better (IMO)
      It also doesn’t have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy, and the UX is a lot better (IMO)

      It also has quite a few nice features that Lemmy lacks. Try out both, see which you like.

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        If you’re on mobile you probably won’t really notice much of a difference, the mobile apps are yet to implement the new features.

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          Mlem is doing a pretty good job of adding features as their apis become available. I have a feeling the next TestFlight will have polls added.

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          In a way yes, because this post is in a community running on a Lemmy instance. But at the same time: The user was did not use Lemmy to write the Lemmy trashing :)

          (And Lemmy is good. It’s just, PieFed is so much better!)

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          The person you’re replying to is actually coming here from Piefed, à la the magic of the fediverse.

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          A tradition brought over from Reddit, where people were constantly shitting on Reddit hah

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          If that’s trashing, most debates I’ve seen would be bloodbaths. e.e"

          Irony aside, if someone is politely criticized, what seems to be what the OP did, and the receiver sees it as a problem, the receiver shouldn’t be a public figure.

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        How does one “move” to piefed? Do I keep my subscriptions and everything tied to my account?

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          You pick a piefed server and create an account there. You can transfer subscriptions, but that is not something i have done. Your content posted by your .world account stays with that account however.

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            I would recommend exporting your settings just in case. I was using an instance that kind of vanished for a week and then returned, but with my user account completely gone 😱

            It’s nice that you can just import your settings from a file on your own hard drive and continue from basically where you left.

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              I lost my piefed.ee account too. I have my subscriptions backed up manually, but it would probably be a good idea to export, then save it in Bitwarden.

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            As someone who had to jump ship more than 3 times, I keep saying to think of their accounts as disposable because we don’t know if we picked right or when/if the mods/admins/hosts will go crazy.

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              I started on .world and quickly realized I wanted a smaller instance. So I moved to .ee and sopuli, then when .ee went down I decided to not limit myself to a single instance. I do not have as many accounts as cm02 does, 4 total I think. But only use 3 of them much.

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                Adding to the thread of account redundancy and backups based on personal experiences…

                I started I think it was on .ml or .world, quickly found kbin.social and preferred it, it died and I didn’t have a culture of backing up accounts, then I moved to lemm.ee and I kinda forgot to make a backup in the grace period before it died (oopsie) but at least had been hoarding on RSS feeds so not all was lost, then found Mbin was a thing, then found about external RSS’s and searching for fediverse links for pulling external posts.

                Adjacent to external RSS’s, also found out when an instance goes poof, the community/group/magazine keeps propagating, just as a derelict one. So while it’d be a moderation hell, at least it’s somewhat preserved.

                So moral of the story, there are a few ways to back stuff up, and thus, adding to the choir, please do use them.

                And an addendum, PieFed also has external RSS feeds by default, so for example, piefed.social provides their own RSS feed for !fediverse@lemmy.world.

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          Some additional features that PieFed has:

          • You can create posts with polls.
          • Crossposts shows comments from everywhere that something is crossposted to (organized into their own sections)
          • Feeds for combining multiple communities into one.
          • You can blur images with spoiler tags instead of having to use NSFW.
          • You can tag posts and then filter down posts based on those tags within a community.
          • You can set a time/date for when something gets posted.

          That’s just what I can think of off the top of my head. Otherwise a more complete list can be found here: https://join.piefed.social/features/

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            All communities with the word ‘meme’ in the name are automatically flagged as low quality but admins can override this on a case-by-case basis.

            ok you got me interested

            EDIT :

            Default Blocks – Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Nazi instances are blocked out of the box.

            wait what? I might not have the whole lore but this reads as “communism” is not allowed. I guess that’s a feature for some people.

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          It has more features than Lemmy atm, such as custom feeds, flairs or tags or whatever you call them, community moving, etc. (Some of which will also come to Lemmy in v1.0.0): https://join.piefed.social/features/

          Since it uses Python and not Rust, it can be developed faster* => faster development and more first time contributions.

          Of course it isn’t perfect, it has its downsides as any other software. You might also find it more attractive if you don’t like the Lemmy devs’ political views.

          Though it is a bit opinionated, it’s good to have another alternative in the threadiverse.

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        It also doesn’t have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy

        Oh you sweet summer child.

        They’re just hard coding keywords to limit reach of usauthoritarianism and queer community.

        https://fedia.io/m/memes@lemmy.world/t/3230397/-/comment/13562251

        You’ll need to login to view content, because they got the original post deleted but it’s still cached on fedia.

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          It was an anti meme feature that has since been removed on request. The PieFed devs are very open to the community and act lighting fast.

          Meanwhile people have been asking Lemmy for a working block function for years and they refuse. And let’s not forget the hardcoded front page banners Lemmy puts on all instances begging for donations to do who knows what as it never updates.

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          From what I remember it was about some discover feed feature or something and they tried to curate it a bit, remove greentexts and stuff that had a ton of posts or something.

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          I use Voyager, it’s great. https://getvoyager.app

          Create your account first on PieFed then login to voyager, there are onbording steps that the mobile app doesn’t yet have.

          One of the reasons I like PieFed more is because of good UX, like onbording

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      Fuck Dessalines and Nutomic. Not for their politics, but because they are petty power hungry assholes.

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    I wish there were a better name that represents lemmy & piefed. I know “threadiverse” is probably the “correct” name but it’s a bit… shit.

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      I think both names, Lemmy and piefed, are easy to remember. They are no more goofy than any other name, past or present, on the internet.

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    My god, thank you for putting the names under the logos. I’ve seen too many people just put the logos without any text because it’s “clean”, but then the viewers have no idea what to search for lol

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          It kind of looks like Stoat is just an Open Source Discord clone? While the idea is great, it looks like all their servers are hosted by them (correct me if I’m wrong). Was really hoping for some kind of self hosted Discord where all the data is stored locally. I use Mumble currently, which is great for voice chat, but there are simply not enough features.

          Edit: Actually I found the github page and it seems like there is a way to deploy this locally. Disregard

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      PieFed = Lemmy but better. (In my opinion)

      They share the same content, but PieFed has more features and better UX.

      I’m typing this from PieFed right now

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          It’s a different software stack, both server and client. But it uses the same protocol as Lemmy for federation (same story with kbin/ mbin.) so all those talk to eachother.

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          Nope, it’s its own thing. It’s federated, so you can view piefed content on lemmy and vice versa, but it’s a separate platform built in a different language by someone else. I like it better mainly because the lemmy devs are transphobes who are fond of the idea of mass murdering their political opponents.

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    I don’t feel like loops is ready for this exposure. Not yet.

    If folks can’t install it through the regular stores or even f droid then it may risk always being the complicated and nerdy alternative.

    Kind of like Linux has problems getting out of the very techy reputation that it used to have

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      Agreed. I know you can technically browse tiktok on PC in a browser, but realistically that is not really how people interact with it.

      As long as Loops doesn’t have a phone app, it is not a TikTok replacement.

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      PieFed is a different software. Lemmy is written in Rust and has a certain set of features.

      PieFed is a newer project, written from scratch in Python, by completely different people. It includes Lemmy’s features and shows the same posts as Lemmy, but has additional features such as polls, events, feeds (which are the same thing as multireddits on Reddit), emoji reactions, flairs, notifications for new comments coming for some specific post or new posts coming in some specific community, messaging with Mastodon users, and some other stuff that fails to come to my mind right now :)

      There are several PieFed instances: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list

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        In the same vein there’s also Mbin, which people seem to have forgotten about for some reason, and Sublinks, which was still under development the last time I checked.

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          I’m sometimes using Mbin, but everything that is good about it, is also good in PieFed. It’s been nice that Mbin has support for following Mastodon with the same account you use for following the Forumverse, but since some of Mastodon’s features are unsupported, I still find it more comfortable to just browse Mastodon separately. Quote posts are not shown properly, for example. Also, pictures in comments in Forumverse are shown as links.

          I find Mbin much nicer than Lemmy, but PieFed even nicer. For now, at least. Nobody knows if Mbin suddenly invents some killer feature :)

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      You know, when people say piefed is like reddit, I don’t know if they realize it’s exactly like reddit.

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        I don’t see how those things in total make it like Reddit. For one, Reddit is overrun by AI slop in many areas. Piefed actively tries to mitigate it.

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          Sure, but going down this list, most seems arbitrary and not based on data to mitigate slop bots.

          Social credit scores are why I bailed on reddit. Not karma, but their “Contributor quality score” that demands people grind comments to keep the account alive.

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            Social credit scores are why I bailed on reddit. Not karma, but their “Contributor quality score” that demands people grind comments to keep the account alive.

            I already addressed this regarding Piefed here.

            Trolls/spammers etc are serious problems on sites like Lemmy and Piefed (and on Reddit). If you’re a new account and you’ve managed to get -100 reputation that quickly, it’s not a good sign. If and as the Fediverse grows, instance owners are going to need more observation tools to catch this type of stuff.

            Whilst having +++ karma is obviously not worth note, a new account on -100 is.

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      Every account has a Social Credit Score.

      Keep in mind ostentatious posturing about alleged belief in free speech e.g. hyperbolic use of terms like “Social Credit Score” or repetition of common copytext/keywords “echo chamber” is not universally perceived as a good thing.

      If you’ve ever lived in a country where people understand the value of free speech (without constant tedious self-aggrandization on this topic) this stuff comes off as childish.

      When I say “understanding the value of free speech”, I mean the understanding that free speech includes the ability to choose your moderation policies depending on context.

      He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar

      Again, framing this issue as “promotion of ideology” is not going to fly.

      Believe it or not, but having a sidebar with “Misinformation & disinformation” is not as big of a thing as you think it is. I would even argue that “COVID skeptics” wouldn’t give a shit about it because they actually understand the meaning of the term “promotion of ideology”.

      You’re welcome to assume I am misinformed, I hate free speech or I am being malicious. Whatever works, I am just sharing a different perspective (from someone who lived in the US and does not find American-style freedom polemics to be in the least convincing).

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      You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long

      Okay. So? This is in part anti-spam measures. It’s very specific, but how many users do you imagine this applies to in practice?

      When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped

      Piefed.social only. Toggleable off.

      Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code

      Yes, this is to mitigate mass-downvoting. Why is this inherently a problem to you?

      Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!

      Trolls/spammers etc are serious problems on sites like Lemmy and Piefed. If you’re a new account and you’ve managed to get -100 reputation that quickly, it’s not a good sign. If and as the Fediverse grows, instance owners are going to need more observation tools to catch this type of stuff.

      If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed

      AI detection tools. But I’ve seen a lot of AI posters right now caught through this. use of the em-dash is very much a sign, unfortunately. It doesn’t ban them by the way. It just flags new accounts doing it to admins. So? Admins can turn this off.

      if you try to comment a .gif … you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn’t like it

      Can be turned off at the instance level.

      Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone

      No. If every instance was Piefed, you simply wouldn’t be able to reply to anyone who has blocked you. “Reply” is essentially faded out. The difference is that Lemmy doesn’t implement the block function in the same way, so Piefed just throws out replies by blocked users to the person who has blocked them coming from Lemmy. That’s the mismatch at play here.

      If you can somehow still reply via a Piefed instance, it is bugged and not working as intended.

      He vindictively targeted a single user with code

      This has been removed now, and it wasn’t “vindictive” in purpose at all.

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          What code are you referring to here? I addressed a number of grievances. Bias to what? Dealing with AI? Not liking it when a user substitutes “th” with another letter, making it annoying to read?

          Why would an update revert out a change that has already been removed at core?

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            Not liking it when a user substitutes “th” with another letter, making it annoying to read?

            That reminds me… whatever happened to the guy here on lemmy that did that? Did he finally stop doing it? I can’t remember his username, but man it was annoying to read.

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      All that is optional and can be turned off in Admin settings.

      Not to mention you’re exaggerating a loot.

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          Again… this is literally just piefed.social you are takling about here.

          Rimu is very anti-4chan, sure.

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          So everyone is clear your an alt-account of someone from lemmygrad or Hexbear.

          You only seem to be active every few months in very specific posts where your beloved instance pro-Russia propaganda mill is at threat or you can bad mouth people who you don’t agree with.

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      Sounds like hell for someone with problems to put thoughts in words and/or uncommon opinions. You either go blend with the mass or die.

      Also, could I use my current lemmy account to upvote my each pie comment, to get better score in few minutes? Kinda fragile for cheats.

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    Question in the PeerTube, there’s like nothing there so why? Or are you saying we need to influx what’s on there and draw more people to it? Cuz the only way to do that is promise of monetization