Here’s a fun idea: how about no more presidents?
Very fun idea, I’d like that. Counterpoint: how do we accomplish that?
Wish I knew honestly. Vote for radical change makers and/or build dual power. But it’s not going to be easy.
No more presidents requires either 1) enough representation to call a Constitutional convention to change Art. II 2) enough grassroots support to circumvent the Constitution entirely. My aversion to power vacuums and general assessment of the populace pushes me towards 1, but in either case you’re right that it won’t be easy. And in either case it will be slooow. Part of that is going to have to be supporting Dems as the lesser evil when their support dwarfs that of the radical change makers, to practically minimize opposition to radical change.
2 years is, unfortunately, a small period of time on the scale we’re talking about. There may be methods to sway a plurality of voters, but until we reliably secure those methods, voting for someone who stomachs a little genocide might be the best choice against an alternative that yearns for a lot of genocide. I didn’t vote for Biden or Harris because I liked them. I did it because the alternative which was poised to win was much more enthusiastic on that front. When you’re in the minority, you don’t vote for who you wish would represent you, you vote for the easier enemy to fight.
It won’t be easy, but the easiest path has the shortest obstacles.
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Yes thats all we do, and it is us who do that.
But like my neighbors refused to back my genocidal rampage unless i compeomised with them on sonething, so really they deserve to die in concentration camps. Fucking losers. This us all their fault.
Fine fine fair enough, I guess we’ll accept the buck this time. You may start voting third party.
Yeah, they are making fun of neoliberals in 🇺🇲 who do this.
If you don’t like the candidates, you RIGHT NOW need to be running or organizing a movement for someone who is! Are you using your power to get progressives to win primaries or just complaining about the result you let be decided for you?
Don’t content yourself with another election cycle of “we tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” followed by a couple more years of snide whining. Be the change, for the love god please, because we need one.
Dont do real activism, just vote!
Don’t make political change IRL, just post about it online!
And vote! Which are functionally two different things! Yeah!
Biden 2024
You mean like effective messaging targeting people outside our cause, (not purely performative) political action towards achievable goals, and compromise / coalition building?
That sounds like liberal talk to me.
Anarchists: famously hostile to local civil infrastructure
Hey so its actually that we have 2 years to uplift leftwing ideals until the general election, at which point we vote for the candidate who wants to bring the Torment Nexus levels down a little so that the Candidate who wants to double the Torment Nexus loses and we have a few years of lower torment while we uplift leftwing ideals again.
To clarify: not lower than now, both candidates want a torment nexus, but one wanrs to build it faster and not worry aboyt whether the orphan bones are fair trade.
Still less than double the Torment Nexus and that’s what’s important. I don’t think it’s worth quibbling over the precise amounts even if it was 2 vs 1.99990
Absplutely! Now grab a hamner comrade, i bet if we put our full communist organizing mechanism towards this, our torment nexus won’t be as big as theirs, but it will be ready sooner, more durable, and more than three times as efficient!
Hang on there, because with some issues, they do want to reduce the torment below current levels, and i think that should matter
reduce it below
Citation needed.
Leftists: you have two years to get a candidate that doesn’t support genocide through the primaries, and if you can’t, just vote for the one that supports genocide the least.
Radlibs: so you want Trump to win
primaries
This is missing scare quotes.
Telling on themselves, aren’t they?
We were right about Kamala.
brattykat is being sardonic there
On one layer.
Maybe the OP didn’t intend it, but you can also read the fictional liberal as being unable to imagine a democratic candidate that isn’t genocidal.
Is there a nongenocidal Democrat?
I mean, Carter (East Timor), Clinton (Rwanda), Obama (Yemen), Biden (Gaza). Shit, you can even lump FDR in. He knew about the concentration camps.
Sorry, libs. These folks may not have pulled the trigger but they supplied (or withheld) the means to carry out (or prevent) mass suffering.
I still vote blue because of the state I’m in, but it can be very, very difficult a lot of the time. America is a deeply unethical nation. I tend to follow Trot-turned-Catholic Alasdair MacIntyre in how I view voting (though I don’t agree with his specific examples): https://chamberscreek.net/library/macintyre/macintyre2004vote.html
In this situation a vote cast is not only a vote for a particular candidate, it is also a vote cast for a system that presents us only with unacceptable alternatives. The way to vote against the system is not to vote.
How exactly does not voting go against the system? It is broadcasting to the politicians that your opinions aren’t important. The system doesn’t worry that voter participation is low, it relishes it. The fewer people that vote, the easier they are to manipulate. To the extent politicians care about opinion polls, they care much more about those of “likely voters”.
There are ways to change the system. Not voting isn’t one of them. Voting is compatible with all of them. Voting is going to be critical to some of them.
So that guy thinks morality is cooked. And if morality is cooked our politics are pretty cooked because we have no way to put into action what we think are moral aims. Here’s an article from jackoffbin from a guy who tried to synthesize liberalism and socialism. I think he teaches at Spellman now, but I could be wrong.
https://jacobin.com/2024/09/alasdair-macintyre-marxism-morality-liberalism
Anyway, he’d probably say we need to set up entirely new social relations outside of our two party system (and capitalism which both parties support) because neither party has a coherent idea of what human flourishing entails.
Pretty sure, like, Danny Bessner is influenced by MacIntyre. I think he cribbed a MacIntyre point about patriotism during an episode of Chapotraphouse back in the day.
But vote until you cum, I don’t give a shit.
I’m tired and this instance is making me feel schizophrenic. Disengaging or whatever now ✌️.
YOU have two years to pick a candidate why are you letting the liberal establishment pick for you?? You guys never turn up till the federal elections and wonder why they don’t care about your input
The fuck I don’t. I toed the line, still lost, still get blamed when the diversity hire can’t beat Donald fucking Trump. Getting clapped by a shit stain should probably prompt a deeper introspection
With that much muscke behind you?
Nah. If i were harris i wouldve fucking killed myself; only way out of the shame.
Unless it was trying to lose. It is a pig, and they do tend to like trump quite a lot.
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Did you vote in the primaries, join the party and volunteer for your local candidate?
Interested in liberal takes on this video with a pre-MSNBC Lawrence O’Donnell. He says to be willing to withhold your vote in order to push the party left. The exact opposite of the shit libs say today.
I trust the people who used to work for the Democratic Party to know how they think. If they’re going to tell me to shut the fuck up because I have nowhere else to go, why would they listen to me at any point of the bullshit dog and pony shows we put on?
Look, if youre not willing to vote in such a way that tge tax money extraxted from you at threat of violence is used to literally murder people you personally love, youre just a fascist. I dont get how this is hard to understand.
My history shows that I “vote blue.” Not sure what you’re talking about. The only question is if it ultimately helps or hurts.
No of course not, he’s just bitching on the internet.
Yes. Plenty of states didn’t even hold primaries. You think it was just a nice coincidence they didn’t pull Biden until after the primary anointed Copmala?
What’s the anarchist party in 🇺🇲?
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Imagine the world we’d live in if those corpo fucks didn’t screw over Bernie
I got this shit from him after Oct. 7 so don’t be so sure
He has moved away from being this outright shit since then, I will concede.
Or persecuted Nixon, or Reagan, or Bush Sr, or didn’t give up when gore “lost” to bush jr
No see taking office when elected by hoth popular AND electoral vote is divisive and bad politics. You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU
You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU
Ah yes totally goes with saying we should punish/investigate criminals instead of going we must only look forward not back so the country can heal. We can’t do anything about past crimes
Doing anything about past crimes is impossible, sorry. Also currently ongoing crimes.
He would have been absolutely hamstrung by the the bullshit factory that is the legislature, and nothing good would have happened that wasn’t undone immediately by the next administration.
He didn’t need congress to sell weapons for genocide.
He just needed congress when it was shit he didn’t want to do.
Haven’t you been reading the news? Apparently you don’t need congress.
The problem with the Democrats is that they still have respect for the constitution and institutions. Otherwise they’d get a lot done.
Then why don’t they take office when elected?
They dont have respect. They just would rather see the other guys win than the the window move one nanometer left
No, the problem with the leading Dems is that they ONLY respect the institutions. And their owner donors, of course.
They’d rather let a million people die from lack of political action to save them than subvert the Holy System or inconvenience the rich people legally (and sometimes illegally) bribing them.
I don’t agree. They waited until they lost a supermajority in congress to push healthcare reform (what became Obamacare). And dang, wouldn’t you know it, mean old republicans wouldn’t let us have single payer.
So we got a healthcare bill that mandated we buy (generally) private market insurance. A bill written by Penny Pritzker, an insurance industry lobbyist.
It’s kabuki. There’s only one party — the billionaire party.
People are OK with auth right. But auth left? Oh no, that’s not gonna happen. The military would coup the shit out of that real quick.
Auth Left is still inherently abusive.
No matter how much you pretend that it’s for the greater good, authoritarianism will always be detrimental to the relatively powerless masses.
Oh I’m not pretending anything. Just saying that auth left would never get as far as Trump is getting.
auth left would never get as far as Trump is getting.
History would very much disagree with you.
Not talking about history. Talking about what would happen today.
Using authority against billionaires is good actually
Yeah, but it’s not like auth left stops there.
You can have egalitarian taxation and common sense regulations without being generally authoritarian, and you should.
“People” or Russian bots?
Also true.
Not that there’s really any “winning” here but it’s nice to dream of the imaginary reprieve we never got.
Life is pain, highness. Anyone who says different is selling you something.
Or if harris had literally a single electoral group she didnt actively spray shit on
Or if clinton hadnt helped trump win
Or…
Hey, it was her TURN
Definitely Russia.
Leftists: also i am not going to run myself
No leftist has evee been involved in electoral polutics, it’s true.
This joke fails miserably.
Or vote or canvas or help in any way. Bring me a candidate!
Hold on a second I recognize you you fell into an atomic supercollider in Europe and caused this lousy universe I’m not trusting a lousy weasel like you with voting
Leftists: [runs]
Liberals: wow you really really want Trump to win
Leftists: [runs]
*gets sabotaged by the DNC who would rather have Trump win.
Don’t you know you cant criticize any politician because they may be the appointed “lesser evil” possibly in several years.
USian leftists and justifying not voting, name a more iconic duo.
proving the meme right immediately. good job. go vote for your billionaire backed neoliberal fascist of choice that got us here in the first place.
RUSSIAAAAAAAAAA!!!
I have no idea what is going on in these comments lmao. Reddit 2.0 baybee
Yeah. I probably should have thought that out more. My b
Not your fault :)
The thing I love the most about this post is that I now know which users to block.
It’s great for that.
