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    If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it. Unless you take the DVD from them, you can’t remove their access to the movie stored on that disc.

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      Technically network connected blu ray players can be updated to region lock you out of your content.

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      That’s completely bullshit. I can’t hold any of the thousands of videos on my NAS, yet they can’t remove access to them.

      Dvds are another form of pollution. We don’t need rotting plastic circles to store our videos on. Pirate your movies and own it for far longer than a DVD will be readable.

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        You can’t hold your NAS? It actually weighs very slightly more with data on it.

        DVD have already polluted and currently exist and are rotting, and need to be ripped to longer term storage, especially for media that is becoming lost and needs a custodian to host so it can be pirated online. A lot of things cannot because no one has it, but it still exists in physical form.

        Some may be ok with a whatever resolution streaming service webrip but I want the original dvd HD remaster, before they re-remastered it with only a single layer disk instead of double, messing up the original faithful rerelease that was already anticipated during filming when the show was filmed in HD widescreen film, but originally released in SD for broadcast due to the time. Plus, you can’t webrip the “banned” episodes if they’re not available.

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      DVD and especially blue ray still have DRM and license terms, which . means you still don’t own it. Only way to own media is to pirate it

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        license terms

        In most places ownership laws make those licences unenforceable - not in the legal sense, but practically - hard to lock you out of a DVD.

        Great option for those still politically opposed to pirating stuff.

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      And decent resolution: DVD is forever stuck at SD (480p MPEG). While Blu-ray can be UHD (4K HEVC).

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        It’s not even 480p, it’s 480i with a resolution of 720x480 regardless of whether the content is 4:3 or 16:9, the pixels get stretched one way or the other. That’s for NTSC discs, PAL discs have a higher 576i (720x576) resolution but the movie is sped up 4% cause it forces 25fps when it should be 24.

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          This is a good point. Even worse! Weird anamorphic? pixel aspect ratios (or maybe pan-and-scan crops? or hopefully that’s just VHS). With a bonus of interlacing! “The horror!” I haven’t ripped a DVD in ages due to video quality issues.

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        If you ever wanna play 4K BDs on PC, you’ll need a 4K-compatible drive that’s been hacked with LibreDrive though, otherwise you’re stuck using a dedicated set-top player for those.

        1080p discs can at least be handled by libaacs and libbdplus /w the necessary files, and don’t necessarily need a hacked drive to play back.

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        I’ve always kinda thought about implementing a software and standard for 1080p av1 on DVD. Would be neat as a project, obviously no commercial use would exist.

        Either way you can get some really impressive encodes out of av1, really neat tech.

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            No that’s the idea, it would be to make a piece of software which if thrown on a sbc with a DVD drive becomes a player.

            Which really isn’t too far off of DVD and most bluray players.

            Though I wouldn’t be shocked if the super cheap DVD players have some sorta all-in-one integrated asic for most of the job.

            Would mostly be used by hobbiest making their own burned discs and small artists releasing stuff.

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              I mean if you control the software on the “player” you don’t really need a dedicated dvd format. Think about mp3 CDs, it never became a real format with specs and everything yet most CD players after a certain date supported them.

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                Yeah but if you make it an open format other hobbyists could make their own hardware/software about it.

                Mostly a fantasy medium, but if people start using it for art, then hey neat.

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    Not to ruin people getting off of streaming, but the biggest bang for buck in storage will be regular old hard drives unless you need to backup like >500Tb of storage (then tape drives).

    DVDs are cool but they only have a 4/8Gb capacity.

    BluRay pushes it to 70/100/120gb which is great for one 4K movie lol.

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      Yeah, my vinyl collection is a decoration. The 20TB of storage connected to my PC is where the magic happens.

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    My wife is “xennial” and her music tastes skew younger. Lots of younger artists are selling cassettes and CDs at their merch tables. We have more tapes and discs in our house than I ever had in the 90s.

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      How do you even play them? I could only see myself taking these media, ripping them and putting them back on the shelf.

      Which is a nostalgic hobby

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    Blu-rays are great, DVDs not so much unless it’s an old title that was never released in 1080p

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      even then, many bluerays are just cheap upscales with no other changes. I made that mistake once with a boxset only to find that it was a very obvious DVD. this after I was roasted on reddit for complaining about that being a possibility and everyone angrily promised me that it was not that. it was that. I’m still bitter

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      DVDs are fine, but the subtitles look god-awful - and they’re bitmaps so there is no easy way to make them not suck

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        I think they’re bitmaps on Blu-rays as well. Just higher resolution.

        Streaming tends to use text formats.

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    People! Try Yt-dlp, when spotify decide to make Spotify Developer available again, then yt-dlp plugin integration with spotify, still, in anna’s archive i think they will make available if not already the hundreds of TBs of metadata and songs managed to get from Spotify so media preservation and ownership will also be in the digital space

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      FYI, Tidal is approximately the same price as Spotify and there are several tools floating around on GitHub which will allow you to download high quality flac files from that service.

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      3D printing your own guns

      Just buy a normal fucking gun, this is America ffs there are more guns than people.

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    … No they aren’t. Way more are just keeping their own digital media on their own storage. Even more are still just streaming. The least are watching DVD and Blu Ray.

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      Most people are braindead and mindless consumers across all generations, but there’s a really large portion of people who are more conscious about the value of personal property. Weird that most of them are the communists and socialists while liberals and right wingers in general basically all want big corpos to violate our anuses with as much brutality as possible

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      FR, people are also using digital media way more than they’re popping on a vinyl. It’s okay that these are niche subcultures. Not sure why everything has to be framed like it’s a cultural or political revolution.

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      My Matrix DVD I bought brand new still works just fine.

      But rot is real, but also highly situational

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        It’s fine until it’s not… The problem is you can’t really predict when it will fail.

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    Its not just DVDs. I switched to all local mp3s for music and i get a lot of them by scoring cds from second hand stores.

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      I’m currently working on ripping all my CDs to my old laptop and looking at mp3 players, but only because I don’t really want to use my phone storage to hold everything. I was still buying physical CDs of new releases up until a few years ago, but I’ve gone back to that too.

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      Never started streaming music, makes no sense music is so collectible on HDD. I have 25 year old files, 128kb sucks lol but survived very easily.

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    This has been the biggest and dumbest take I’ve seen come from the GenZ/GenA crowd. Polaroids were a big hit a few years ago and I can’t help but wince at this stuff. Yeah it’s cute or whatever to hold it in your hand, but in 1, 5, 10, 30 years…when that photo or DVD is bent/scratched/lost, you’ll be kicking yourself in the ass for even bothering with it.

    Just pirate your content, take photos with your $1000 phones and print the photos out, and learn to backup your own shit. Buy a 2 bay NAS and backup your shit to it. And then backup your NAS to a cloud like backblaze.

    My dad has been doing this since the early 2000s. We have our family photos AND videos from 1990-2026 all backed up on a NAS, which syncs to backblaze. ~600GBs of data. And the cloud backup on backblaze is $7.25 a month for that data.

    Literally anyone can go buy a a $200 2-bay NAS, then grab two 1TB hard drives for $40 each. $280 for a NAS that will last you YEARS. And then figure out whatever service you want to backup to for a cloud backup.

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      While I agree with the general idea, your example prices are no longer valid since storage costs are now through the roof. The best defense of kids using DVDs is that you can borrow them from the library for free.

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      There is a bit of a romantic feeling in only having a physical copy of a photo though, and Polaroids are the easiest ones to do this with.

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        And that’s completely valid, but I just want to warn others that physical items deteriorate.

        I’m currently digitally archiving photos of my great-great grandparents. You know how disappointing it is to have these photos, but then see they are all water damaged or torn or crumbled to all hell because of improper storage? Some scans are ok, others are terrible and will require work on my end to restore them digitally.

        I’m sure we have thousands of digital photos of ourselves, but how many of those are backed up properly? How many of us will be regretting not backing things up properly and we can’t share these photos with our grandkids or great grandkids or to reminisce because our phones died or Instagram shutdown or we stopped paying for iCloud?

        All I’m saying is take your Polaroids, but also take plenty of digital photos and back them up as well.

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          You deteriorate. We all deteriorate. What’s the point of that illusion of having a perfect eternal storage medium for data? It’s the experience that matters.

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            What’s the point of having the experience when our memory deteriorates?

            See how stupid that argument sounds?

            Guess what, you can do both!

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              I can’t note anything sound ‘stupid’ there.

              Experiences AND memories do vanish. That’s a fact, it’s completely natural and fine and it’s not a general necessity to fight against that. I found that it is possible to accept transience.

              Guess what, we can have new experiences any moment.

              Spending much time and money to preserve all the present experiences without gaps and to combat the fleeting nature of all things and to capture every moment of my life for the future seems wasteful. I did this too in the past but the older I get the more I find that I’d rather spend my time in the present moment than in the archive.

              Not having so much, being more. The more we collect and accumulate, the more that holds us back.

              But hey, I don’t want to discourage anyone and I can understand the approach.

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      backup your NAS to a cloud like backblaze.

      Are you encrypting your data before it goes to Backblaze? And if so, are you also testing those encrypted backups?

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        Yes, and yes. I’m running TrueNAS and I test a restore once a quarter or so, worst case once every 6 months.

        I haven’t had to do a full restore…so that’ll be the true test, but I do have a sister TrueNAS at an off-site location for off-site backups. I went simple with this off-site one and just use Tailscale and Syncthing.

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          Out of curiosity how do you test your restore? Do you just choose a file and try to recover it from backup? I have a synology NAS that I should backup but haven’t really looked into the complexities of backing it up.

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            I cut/paste a single file or folder, depending on my mood, out of a directory that is backed up and then do a PULL/sync through the TrueNAS GUI from Backblaze

            Not sure on Synology…I’m sure there is a method though

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    I totally get it. Kids missed out on everything good.

    Too bad DVDs and CDs will quit being made soon, and disc rot sets in on most discs in 20 years. Luckily mine have survived. But make backups. Although that’s why “they (the rich)” want to drive up the price of HDDs so we can’t afford it, so we are tied to their cloud systems forever.

    Good luck young people !

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      CDs were so much better for my kids than any other digital player. Especially when they couldn’t read yet. It’s much easier to choose a CD and put it into a player than opening an app to search for something.

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      Properly manufactured Audio CDs are actually quite resilient, obviously not so much to scratches, but out of all my 100+ CDs (I’d say half of which are older than 25 years) only one has disc rot and that one is a pressing made by PDO who’re known for their bad pressings that are prone to disc rot.

      I don’t really store my CDs in a special way either.

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      that’s why “they (the rich)” want to drive up the price of HDDs so we can’t afford it, so we are tied to their cloud systems forever

      That seems like a reach. Hanlon’s says they’re just buying HDDs for their Artificial Imbecile service.

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      Too bad DVDs and CDs will quit being made soon

      We’re still making vinyl records. What on earth makes you think we’re going to stop making DVDs?

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        Vinyl has hipster vibes and false audiophile claims. CDs and DVDs dont. They won’t be profitable in a few years and then bye bye factories. Just like vhs. I’d still be buying vhs takes if they made them but they dont. Same with CRTs.

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            History. They don’t make vhs players or CRTs now do they? Even though they had huge benefits to modern (vhs, recordable and durable, CRT, durable, repairable, instantaneous response and perfect blacks) digital convenience trumps all for the majority population. Its also about control. You literally cannot buy a non smart TV any more (OK fine, digital signage, but you won’t get a remote) and some of them will not even function unless you connect them to WiFi. Hekk no.

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              They don’t make vhs players or CRTs now do they?

              There’s an enormous inventory of New Old Stock and refurbished units that more than meet demand.

              You literally cannot buy a non smart TV any more

              That’s absolutely not true. The real limit on Dumb TVs is the size. Emerson and Westinghouse both make dumb TVs, but they cap out at 50".

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                Wrong, CRTs are getting very hard to find now and people smash them for fun. 10 years they’ll all be gone or many thousands of dollars.

                Where did you find those TVs? I’d like to know!

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    I’ve been collecting physical media for over 30 years. Started with VHS, CD’s and DVD’s back in the day. Now I’m primarily a blu ray/4k collector as the image and sound quality is closest to the filmmaker’s intentions.

    It’s been hard to see physical media slow down production over the past 5 years. The biggest loss is the wealth of information from all the special features that are now considered over and above what studios are willing to pay for. It’s unfortunate that the newer generation can’t expect features on par with what Peter Jackson shared on his Lord of the Rings Extended discs. (I know there are still boutique labels putting out great discs loaded with features, but they are fewer by the year and costly.)

    There are some moments in time where the world really surprises though, and it’s been a pleasant turn of events to see Gen Z embrace VHS!? The resurgence of vinyl was understandable as the sound exhibits a warmth and depth. VHS is a bit of a head-scratcher, but I can understand its nostalgic appeal. Just happy that people are enjoying physical media in any form.

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      The resurgence of vinyl was understandable as the sound exhibits a warmth and depth

      Only because it is adds pleasing artifacts to the original and people connect a turn table up to something to listen to it with. When used to hearing crappy encoded digital, with a bad DAC through lossy bluetooth to a tiny speaker, vinyl sounds better.

      Funny thing is that you can record vinyl digitally and that recording will sound exactly the same on good equipment which tells you it isn’t the vinyl itself that sounds good.

      In any case vinyl is extremely disappointing to see come back. It is a very energy intensive process, using PVC often mixed with lead. It is very heavy and bulky to move around, so transportation costs are high.

      I understand the desire to have a physical thing, but only its flaws make it be a reproduction of the source material AND is environmentally not good.

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      A lot of young people I know love vhs and miss it. But its getting expensive to get into now and you gotta know how to repair things.

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    I wonder why specifically DVDs… It’s not like with audio formats where the experience is almost as or even more important than the quality; Blu-Ray delivers far better quality with the same experience. If they were into Laserdisc I’d understand, but DVD?

    They’re not even that much more expensive. Maybe the initial cost of getting a player is higher?

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      Personally I never upgraded from DVD to Bluray because of the costs and DRM. And while I waited for those to be solved streaming got good enough.

      Perhaps these kids’ parents are the same, so they just use what they have.

      Or the article’s author just calls every video disc a DVD.

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      I haven’t read the article yet, so apologies if this is addressed.

      Bluray has always been a niche product in many/most parts of the world, DVD is ubiquitous.

      It pains me to say this, but people generally just do not care about the difference in picture quality between the two formats. At least not enough to pay the Bluray premium.

      The equipment itself is more expensive, as are the discs. Your subjective “not even much more expensive” is very dismissive of the economic situation for huge numbers of people around the world. It’s often $3 - $4 more per disc in a retail setting, sometimes higher. And DVDs go on deep discount far more often in my experience, furthering the cost divide. And the bluray players aren’t just more expensive, they’re way more troublesome, slower, clunkier, and many/most/all require a stable internet connection (at least periodically) or you’ll be locked out of watching your discs.

      The money aspect isn’t a concern for wealthier households. But, wealthier households tend to have higher adoption rates for stable, reliable, unlimited, high speed internet. They’ve largely switched to streaming only, and have little to no need for discs and players. They’ve also got many other entertainment options. They went from DVD to streaming, skipped Bluray.

      Poorer households are far more likely to have no/less reliable internet, let alone unlimited data. If you don’t have internet, you will be locked out of watching at least some of your blurays. You certainly won’t be streaming, at least not regularly and reliably. That $3 - $4 difference in the price of each disc is money for gas or a loaf of bread. The $50 difference in the player is potentially a big financial blow. If you want to watch something cheap, you can find a huge selection of DVDs at the thrift store or even rent for free from the library, or you can pay a little more for the one bluray they have for sale (it’s an Adam Sandler comedy from 20 years ago where he dresses up as a woman) and does funny voices.

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        Many places over here have stopped to carry DVDs and, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure all the major studios have stopped selling them; my comment is entirely referring to the used market where Blu-Ray can be $3-$4 more expensive but it doesn’t have to be if you look around. I’ve bought many films on BD for $2 or less on eBay.

        Plus, I assume the article is largely taking about the western market (most likely the US in particular) where the situation is similar. Blu-Ray players are much more expensive, so the cost of entry is higher. I’ve never heard of them requiring an internet connection to work, though, that’s certainly a point against them. I only ever used the various game consoles with BD drives to watch BD discs and have never encountered such limitation (then again they were connected to the internet most of the time regardless).

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    I prefer dedicated digital players over physical media, for instance, a FLAC player with a digital library over CDs, but I’m glad to see this trend catching up. Anything that gets people building their own collections, escaping algorithms and escaping DRM/streaming is a huge win in my book.

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      I’m curious as to why? CD’s are the ultimate form of audio purity, in my opinion. I’ve got a kickass stereo set-up with a CD and vinyl hook up; also a cassette, but she don’t work so good no more. I always rip my CD’s to FLAC so I can put it on my iPod.

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        I’m curious as to why?

        Physical media scratches, rots, burns down, etc. They also require a lot of space, and you can’t have it all with you easily.

        My FLAC library is got the same or better audio quality, I can backup and copy in seconds for myself or friends, I can carry everything, or just curated playlists, with the toggle of a button, and I can preserve them on any medium I find - mechanical HDs, SD cards, SSDs, etc.

        Though I am very curious about vinyl…

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          I recently revived my record player and CD player and I’ve been enjoying three things:

          1. You have to think about what to listen to,
          2. the player is completely offline and separate from the devices you work and communicate on, so nothing will interrupt and you feel you’re doing something different, and
          3. it means you listen to whole albums, not mixed up playlists, so you get deeper into it.

          What I don’t enjoy is that records in particular are ridiculously expensive now. I don’t know who can afford them. So I’m stuck with the records and CDs of my youth and whatever I can find in bargain bins.

          I do also use Qobuz and… other means of obtaining music.

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            But… those other storage mediums can also get damaged, burn, rot, etc

            Sure can. You know what else they can do? Instantly and cleanly copy their data to any other storage device, they can even do so automatically every day!

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            You have a point except the portability. A single USB drive is infinitely more portable than a large cd collection.

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            Nothing a decent backup strategy can’t mitigate. Also less portable? Between the massive storage available on digital audio players and using jellyfin with something like symphonium digital audio is massively more portable.

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          Your hard drive can be erased in many ways. And soon you wont be able to afford them or be allowed to own them.

          Vinyl lasts forever. Its only damaged if you play it 😐

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            Your hard drive can be erased in many ways.

            I’m willing to bet my main SSD, my backup HDD, my FLAC player’s SD card, and my laptop SSD all carrying the same file are going to be more durable than a piece of plastic.

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              Sure, but that’s a lot of work and worry to keep all those backups going and syncd…ugh. I hate dealing with it. Takes hours of my life. Now, you’re probably an IT admin or programmer like most people on Lemmy, but I don’t have 13 hours to sit on a computer and troubleshoot why Borg won’t work on my restic fluffywhatever. I’m sure you’ll say “its easy, justtttt…” Yeah, its not easy, I’ve lived it.

              And in the end, you have a computer hooked to your stereo, the one place I’m trying to escape the constant computing.

              A CD works just fine and I can burn another physical copy if I want it.

              I’m glad your setup works for you! I have a nas packed full of stuff as well but I rarely use it for the reasons listed. Its a hassle.

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                Sure, but that’s a lot of work and worry to keep all those backups going and syncd

                I think it took me 15 minutes to first install SyncThing and Vorta? I literally haven’t worried about this for the last two years

                Now, you’re probably an IT admin or programmer

                I’m a biologist :) (though to be fair, mastering in bioinformatics, but this setup came first!)

                And in the end, you have a computer hooked to your stereo, the one place I’m trying to escape the constant computing.

                My stereo is a Gradiente from the 70s, no computers there. My portable player does connect to a computer to sync sometimes… but I do this when charging, so out of mind.

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        “Ooh I wanna listen to [song], let me just…find the CD…put the CD in the tray…find the track number…skip to that track…wait for CD player to scan and start…”

        FLAC is everything good about CDs minus the headache. Sure you can’t physically hold the liner notes but it’s not like that hasn’t been digitized, too!

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          I only listen to albums all the way through when using CDs and vinyl, so track search doesn’t matter to me. CDs are the pinnacle of digital physical media for audio. Large enough, copyable, portable, not too big to store.

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            But the rest still applies so in what ways are a CD better than FLAC? Flash drives take up even less space and can hold hundreds of albums. Arguably even more “portable” because disc drives aren’t common anymore

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              Its much less user friendly. I hate the permeation of computers in every aspect of life. When i want to listen to music, I turn on my stereo stack with turntable, 5 disc changer, and reel to reel. So relaxing. Computers have too much going on, updates, notifications, crashes, hard drives dying, blargh. I deal with that all day long. A record or CD is the fastest way to enjoyment without distraction.

              I should mention I don’t really listen to music outside my home as it will never sound as good as my home speakers. Dynamic music sounds like trash in cars and headphones will never be as good as speakers for spatial recognition. I don’t even have wireless earbuds.

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                this is pretty much me, although I do listen to music outside of the house, but that’s through my iPod.

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                You don’t need a computer at all, there are dedicated media players (yes they’re still “computers” but not PCs with updates and other stuff on it)