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Surely more regulations will fix this
it’s absolutely true that government has been grossly misused and must never be thought of as perfect. we should constantly debate and iterate on our laws.
it is also true that it is one of the best possible forces to do good in the world: food security, healthcare. and i wish for its capacity to do good to be expanded.
Fair
Well, yes, you shouldn’t trust the US government or any other government out of the control of its people.
Asking if you trust the government is a stupid loaded question. No one trusts the government. You don’t trust a loaded gun, but it’s the best tool to have in your hand if someone’s trying to kill you. Government isn’t something you trust, it’s a tool that might be the best for some jobs.
Also the entirety of the last 30 years of us politics
The smart ones don’t need wikipedia to know that authority should be distrusted.
You just need one bad teacher or school admin and you should be able to figure out why you should be skeptical of all authorities, including your parents. (They could poison your food or even stab you in your sleep… so, stay alert kids, stay on guard at night 👀)
(Okay that last part I’m just half-kidding… but your parents could technically do it and you have no defense against that… 👀)
is this list exhaustive?
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I don’t trust government because of the things I know my government has done.
If you don’t trust your government, then perhaps instead of just saying “American problem”, list the things you know your government has done.
That is a rather short list.
just some highlights
gestures vaguely
I know why most of these are here but why JFK? Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy theory thing? The fake shit doesn’t really need to be there when shit like MK Ultra actually and provably happened and isn’t just weird ideas pulled out of someone’s ass.
Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy theory thing?
Plenty of compelling evidence to believe Kennedy was murdered at the order of ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles. Even if you don’t want to go all the way down that rabbit hole, though, there’s even more evidence to suspect Kennedy’s secret service fucked up on the job - both in the planning of the parade and in the initial response to gunfire. The “magic bullet” thesis has a number of much more believable counter-explanations, not the least being Kennedy’s security detail firing blindly from inside the car and hitting the President by mistake.
Also, very deep CIA and mafia connections specifically running through New Orleans in the 1960s, such that letting Lee Harvey Oswald spill his guts would be bad for mission security, even if he had just been a lone gunman.
However you slice the Kennedy assassination, there’s plenty of big blind spots in the story where speculation runs rampant. And those blind spots are almost certainly the result of embarrassed/implicated state officials involved in some level of cover-up.
shit like MK Ultra actually and provably happened
The downwind implications of MK Ultra get incredibly muddy. It’s one thing to say “the US government was experimenting with psychedelics” and quite another to claim “The Manson Murders were orchestrated as a domestic terrorist event intended to crush the hippie movement in California and elect Ronald Reagan.”
You could say the same about the Gulf of Tonkin. Was this an American Navy vessel crew that fucked up by accident? Or a deliberate false flag intended to bring the US into Vietnam?
Bohemian Grove is another one you can take extremely deep. It gets brought up alongside Comet Ping Pong Pizza in the “elites are eating babies to stay young forever” conspiracies.
Part of the problem with this list is that you can take any item on it and flip it like a coin to get “mundane rational accusations of impropriety” on one side and “wildly speculative deep lore of a fascist puppeteer regime controlling the country” on the other.
Am I the only one who doesnt know about ALL of these?
That’s because quite a few are the dumbest conspiracy theories that take away from the horror of the actual ones in there.
It’s like someone mentioning the Epstein files and Pam Bondi popping up to scream, “bUiLdInG 7!”
What is building 7
Stupid conspiracy theory about 9/11 being an inside job. It’s listed on the meme above.
I gotta look into it because I believe ir was a false flag. Just like Tonkin
Well, enjoy the stupid information you’ll encounter from the “do your own research” crowd. Makes for a fun time.
THAT is the worst part. Those people are so fucking annoying. I cant stand right-conspiracists
There’s a list, start reading. You won’t be taught this in school, you need to educate yourself. I suggest doing it now, before the resources start to disappear, which could happen any day now.
All of these have produced a few books each, found in a very public and open archive run by some woman named Anna. I don’t think they’ll be going away that easily.
I know A LOT, to be fair. Just not all. I feel like in cases like these, its hard to even know where to turn for sources
I mean, some of them are vague to the point of being banal. The NDAA is just the bi-annual Congressional requirement to reauthorize US military operations abroad.
Why would anyone have that marked out as a conspiracy theory on the level of MK Ultra or Operation Northwoods? No reason you’d recognize the acronym as such.
NDAA authorizing almost a trillion dollars to the military industrial complex. Nothing to see here just spending that exceeds 9-10 countries.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died by US bombing in the last fifty years. I would place continuing to authorize this obtuse amount of overspending way worse than MK Ultra.
NDAA authorizing almost a trillion dollars to the military industrial complex
Congress authorizes it. I guess you could just put “Congress” on the list. Or maybe “The Pentagon”.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died by US bombing in the last fifty years.
With Iran, Syria, and Yemen you could probably get to 100k in one or two years.
Nevermind our airstrikes across Latin America, the various African states, and our collaborations with Israel in Gaza.
Hell, the US can take credit for quite a few kills in Ukraine thanks to our long standing policy of playing both ends against the middle.
But you don’t get all that out of “The NDAA exists”. We’ve been passing NDAAs since The Korean War without hitting this level of mass slaughter.
We’ve been passing NDAAs since The Korean War without hitting this level of mass slaughter.
Not contesting your overall point, but the Korean War was mass slaughter galore. The US almost completely flattened North Korea, and proportionally more North Koreans died in the war than Soviets did in WWII. If there’s a time when the US didn’t inflict mass slaughter on its enemies, it sure as hell wasn’t 1950-1953.
The fact that amount of money being spent is absolutely obscene and the NDAA is effectively the funding for the military industrial complex.
I get you don’t think it should be on the list, but an open conspiracy is still a conspiracy.
an open conspiracy is still a conspiracy.
US military hegemony isn’t a conspiracy, it’s a popular public policy
I get what you are saying, but a conspiracy is a pretty broad definition that definitely encompasses NDAA.
“Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, generally requiring intent and, in many jurisdictions, an overt act toward the goal. In the U.S., federal conspiracy (18 USC 371) to defraud or commit an offense has a 5-year statute of limitations, often starting from the last overt act.”
Considering the enormous amounts of fraud that have been committed by misusing these funds along with the lack of oversight I think it would definitely be a criminal conspiracy at this point.
Who knows how much money has been missappropiated. We may never know because no one will do the work necessary to find out. What would you call an unauditable agency that is funded by tax payer money?
It is not however a conspiracy theory if that is what you are alluding to. Also, your original point of putting in Pentagon might make more sense than the framework for funding it.
Is it as pernicious?
I don’t think “pernicious” would describe the NDAA, no.
This is all American stuff. What about British, German, French, Russian, Japanese, Chinese atrocities and coverups? God knows there are terrible secrets along them all.
“My parents are horrible, they beat me, killed my pets, stole my money and much more”
Well that’s just your parents!! What about my parents? What about the neighbors parents?? God knows they are all horrible
Amnesty international is a great source for current atrocities nations undertake.
My personal one: One Child Policy that almost got me “terminated”
Never gonna forget that, its a very personal grudge for me
Get you own post, whatabouter.
It’s less whataboutism and more a comment on how you should be at least mildly distrustful of any government
Why do people always forget the Dutch. :(
Unless you’ve survived a Dutch Oven. #neverForget
Very few survive, in my experience.
Hell, just look back a bit for the shit done in the open.
I submit King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium. In Belgium he’s known as “the builder king” because he spent so much of his own money to build parks and civic buildings and such.
Money that was acquired through what was described at the time as Crimes Against Humanity.
King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium.
described at the time
Hmm… I wonder when these…
Leopold II was the second king of the Belgians from 1865 to 1909, and the founder and sole owner of the Congo Free State from 1885 to 1908.
Oh that’s not too long ago. “Sole owner of the Congo Free State” sounds like a contradiction tbh
Ah yes, he had a hunger only hands could satisfy.
But Leopold, that kills people
Loosely quoting IF Stone, If you can remember two words, governments lie. If you can remember three words, all governments lie.
